| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate 09:26 - Feb 15 with 20135 views | tractordownsouth |
Big choice for momentum now if he contests the election as an independent. Their MPs are mostly from the newer intakes and they won’t want to give up their jobs to campaign for Corbyn against a Labour candidate, but having alienated the moderate factions they need his base on board. [Post edited 15 Feb 2023 9:28]
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 09:26 - Feb 20 with 1029 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 09:20 - Feb 20 by Mullet |
No, you were trying to start a "leftier than thou" pissing contest.
The difference being your politics is merely all talk and hypothetical puritanism. You've been doing this dance for years because you simply refuse to accept the reality of British politics, society and ineptitude of Corbyn as a leader and politician. Let alone the fact you don't seem to do anything "real world" either.
As for bringing someone else into this who's not involved after trying to play the innocent. I think you need to take a spot of reflection for a bit to be frank. Your displaying the attitude and approach which has made it necessary to "purge" certain people it seems. |
It wasn’t a “leftier than thou” pissing contest. It was more of a “your take on politics and reality is pretty sh!t” observation.
I think it’s you who doesn’t understand the reality of British politics and its sheer inadequacy packaged as pragmatism and competence.
But here’s your chance: Talk about what needs to change in the UK and how that’s going to happen. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 09:53 - Feb 20 with 944 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 09:26 - Feb 20 by Darth_Koont |
It wasn’t a “leftier than thou” pissing contest. It was more of a “your take on politics and reality is pretty sh!t” observation.
I think it’s you who doesn’t understand the reality of British politics and its sheer inadequacy packaged as pragmatism and competence.
But here’s your chance: Talk about what needs to change in the UK and how that’s going to happen. |
what needs to change?
the government. specifically-
incompetence
unwillingness to impose the windfall tax properly
unwillingness to invest in greening the economy
unwillingness to tackle racism/antisemitism/islamophobia
it's reliance on fighting culture wars
on all of these starmer/rayner's labour party are better, and need electing asap
corbyn's labour was also better, the difference is the current labour party is more popular and more electable with the electorate you seem to despise
poor and deprived people can't eat "principles" or be heated by your rhetoric, they need change now
once you've got a better party elected, then sure, push them to be better still, but the situation now needs unity , not your self-indulgent student grant moaning |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 10:46 - Feb 20 with 887 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 09:17 - Feb 20 by Darth_Koont |
Lowers and GB are barrel scrapers – they show their disingenuousness and bad faith at every turn. They have no decency when it comes to the “game of politics”. |
And you wonder why I have no desire to engage with any of your points. |  |
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| Half the thread pulled on 10:57 - Feb 20 with 871 views | blueasfook |
Well done guys. Another TWTD sh1tstorm. |  |
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| Half the thread pulled on 11:13 - Feb 20 with 843 views | DJR |
| Half the thread pulled on 10:57 - Feb 20 by blueasfook |
Well done guys. Another TWTD sh1tstorm. |
I'd like to think with my comments that I've stood above the sh1tstorm but I do realise it is difficult to keep rational debate going on this site, and that very few people respond in a proper way to what I would regard as my measured posts.
Of course in this day and age, it much easier to respond in abusive cliches and half-truths but to my mind the debate has been lost if people resort to terms such as cultists and zealots. The same is equally true of expressions like fascists and Nazis which in my view should only be used in contemporary times for far right groups. [Post edited 20 Feb 2023 11:21]
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| Half the thread pulled on 11:21 - Feb 20 with 826 views | blueasfook |
| Half the thread pulled on 11:13 - Feb 20 by DJR |
I'd like to think with my comments that I've stood above the sh1tstorm but I do realise it is difficult to keep rational debate going on this site, and that very few people respond in a proper way to what I would regard as my measured posts.
Of course in this day and age, it much easier to respond in abusive cliches and half-truths but to my mind the debate has been lost if people resort to terms such as cultists and zealots. The same is equally true of expressions like fascists and Nazis which in my view should only be used in contemporary times for far right groups. [Post edited 20 Feb 2023 11:21]
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It always starts with Corbyn. Phil should make Corbyn a banned word. He's largely irrelevant now anyway. Not even worthy of debate | |
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| Half the thread pulled on 11:24 - Feb 20 with 802 views | DJR |
| Half the thread pulled on 11:21 - Feb 20 by blueasfook |
It always starts with Corbyn. Phil should make Corbyn a banned word. He's largely irrelevant now anyway. Not even worthy of debate |
I think you will find that all my posts on this thread tried to move the debate away from Corbyn but without success.
But I think you are right, particularly as no one seems prepared to debate things rationally, and I appear to be largely wasting my time. [Post edited 20 Feb 2023 11:24]
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 11:27 - Feb 20 with 777 views | Blueschev |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:59 - Feb 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Seeing a lot of this “a purge of the left” nonsense on here and across other social media recently. What’s actually happening is antisemites & those denying antisemitism being shown the door.
These are Starmer’s exact words: “Labour will never again lose sight of its purpose or its morals. And it will never again be brought to its knees by racism or bigotry. If you don’t like that, if you don’t like the changes we have made, I say the door is open and you can leave."
No one with any shred of decency could disagree with that. |
I can only assume that he's referring to this...
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| Half the thread pulled on 11:48 - Feb 20 with 722 views | positivity |
| Half the thread pulled on 11:24 - Feb 20 by DJR |
I think you will find that all my posts on this thread tried to move the debate away from Corbyn but without success.
But I think you are right, particularly as no one seems prepared to debate things rationally, and I appear to be largely wasting my time. [Post edited 20 Feb 2023 11:24]
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what was pulled? i'd also exempt djr from this, i may not always agree, but his points are put across well and are thought provoking.
it's the entrenched kneejerk starmer=bad, corbyn=good comments with no willingness to engage or answer valid questions which frustrate! | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 11:51 - Feb 20 with 708 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 11:27 - Feb 20 by Blueschev |
I can only assume that he's referring to this...
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the mug's from 2015 by the way... | |
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| Half the thread pulled on 11:58 - Feb 20 with 682 views | Blueschev |
| Half the thread pulled on 11:48 - Feb 20 by positivity |
what was pulled? i'd also exempt djr from this, i may not always agree, but his points are put across well and are thought provoking.
it's the entrenched kneejerk starmer=bad, corbyn=good comments with no willingness to engage or answer valid questions which frustrate! |
It is possible to not be impressed with either of them. | | | |
| Half the thread pulled on 12:09 - Feb 20 with 660 views | positivity |
| Half the thread pulled on 11:58 - Feb 20 by Blueschev |
It is possible to not be impressed with either of them. |
agreed, or even to hope starmer/jc/rayner/milliband gets in without agreeing with every single one of their policies | |
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| Half the thread pulled on 12:15 - Feb 20 with 640 views | blueasfook |
| Half the thread pulled on 12:09 - Feb 20 by positivity |
agreed, or even to hope starmer/jc/rayner/milliband gets in without agreeing with every single one of their policies |
Last Labour govt had to move to the centre to get in govt. It seems Keir will do the same. I guess the country doesnt want a left wing govt. The electorate pretty much rejected Corbyn. I wonder why that is? What is it about left wing politics that makes people say "no thanks"? Is socialism dead? | |
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| Half the thread pulled on 12:16 - Feb 20 with 638 views | Churchman |
| Half the thread pulled on 11:58 - Feb 20 by Blueschev |
It is possible to not be impressed with either of them. |
Tbh I’m totally disillusioned with all politicians so I guess it comes down to least worst? And that’s not saying much. |  | | |
| Half the thread pulled on 12:17 - Feb 20 with 629 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Half the thread pulled on 10:57 - Feb 20 by blueasfook |
Well done guys. Another TWTD sh1tstorm. |
What’s been pulled? | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:17 - Feb 20 with 630 views | Blueschev |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:15 - Feb 20 by GlasgowBlue |
That was from Ed Miliband’s time as leader.
Do you believe in uncontrolled immigration? [Post edited 20 Feb 2023 12:16]
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:17 - Feb 20 with 629 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 10:46 - Feb 20 by GlasgowBlue |
And you wonder why I have no desire to engage with any of your points. |
Because you never have an answer that isn’t another smeary accusation?
That’s not being facetious. That’s literally all you do. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:19 - Feb 20 with 599 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:17 - Feb 20 by Darth_Koont |
Because you never have an answer that isn’t another smeary accusation?
That’s not being facetious. That’s literally all you do. |
But you thought Hope Not Hate were part of the smeary accusations, so I’ll take your abuse as a compliment. | |
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| Half the thread pulled on 12:21 - Feb 20 with 598 views | noggin |
| Half the thread pulled on 12:15 - Feb 20 by blueasfook |
Last Labour govt had to move to the centre to get in govt. It seems Keir will do the same. I guess the country doesnt want a left wing govt. The electorate pretty much rejected Corbyn. I wonder why that is? What is it about left wing politics that makes people say "no thanks"? Is socialism dead? |
Yeah, why would the better off in society want to help those less fortunate by sharing a little of their wealth? Bloody lefty bumfest politics innit. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:29 - Feb 20 with 569 views | leitrimblue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 08:52 - Feb 20 by lowhouseblue |
seriously, find a party which expresses your views, join it, come back and tell us when it gets someone elected. otherwise you're just posing pointlessly. |
Perhaps a party to represent the working class sponsored by the trade unions? |  | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:34 - Feb 20 with 556 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:19 - Feb 20 by GlasgowBlue |
But you thought Hope Not Hate were part of the smeary accusations, so I’ll take your abuse as a compliment. |
They were very poor on the Labour antisemitism crisis and any subsequent follow up when the facts were known. Almost as if they were run by Labour right-wingers …
They’re not as bad as the Campaign Against Antisemitism who are world-class lobbyists trying to bluff everyone but it’s a bit of a joke that these people with all their blind spots and hypocrisies are policing anti-racism.
The weaponisation of antisemitism has been and continues to be a scandalous low point in our politics. Reflecting entirely how poor, dishonest and self-interested our politics has become. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:34 - Feb 20 with 551 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:17 - Feb 20 by Blueschev |
Yes I'm aware of that. |
Do you think being in favour of controlled immigration is bigoted or racist? | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:36 - Feb 20 with 533 views | Blueschev |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 08:52 - Feb 20 by lowhouseblue |
seriously, find a party which expresses your views, join it, come back and tell us when it gets someone elected. otherwise you're just posing pointlessly. |
My membership card states that Labour is a democratic socialist party. It's not unreasonable to be disappointed by the lack of either. [Post edited 20 Feb 2023 12:44]
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| Half the thread pulled on 12:42 - Feb 20 with 505 views | DJR |
| Half the thread pulled on 11:48 - Feb 20 by positivity |
what was pulled? i'd also exempt djr from this, i may not always agree, but his points are put across well and are thought provoking.
it's the entrenched kneejerk starmer=bad, corbyn=good comments with no willingness to engage or answer valid questions which frustrate! |
You get an uptick from me!
I suppose the strange thing is that the debate has been going on for many years before I started contributing, and because of the kneejerk comments, I can't imagine anyone's views have been changed. [Post edited 20 Feb 2023 12:42]
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