| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate 09:26 - Feb 15 with 20105 views | tractordownsouth |
Big choice for momentum now if he contests the election as an independent. Their MPs are mostly from the newer intakes and they won’t want to give up their jobs to campaign for Corbyn against a Labour candidate, but having alienated the moderate factions they need his base on board. [Post edited 15 Feb 2023 9:28]
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:52 - Feb 17 with 1014 views | Blueschev |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:32 - Feb 17 by positivity |
i'm very aware of what is (and more importantly what isn't) right-wing. the current labour party with starmer/rayner/lammy/burnham/abbott/mcdonell clearly isn't
which parts of the media are exempt from the dk opprobrium? |
Abbott and McDonnell have been completely marginalised, and Rayner won't be around the top table much longer. |  | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:52 - Feb 17 with 1014 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:41 - Feb 17 by Herbivore |
I'd say they are centre right. Definitely to the right economically, fairly centrist socially. |
you think lammy/mcdonnell et al are in a centre-right party? how would you define centre-left then? |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:53 - Feb 17 with 1006 views | Blueschev |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:52 - Feb 17 by positivity |
you think lammy/mcdonnell et al are in a centre-right party? how would you define centre-left then? |
Lammy is well to the right of McDonnell. | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:56 - Feb 17 with 993 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:52 - Feb 17 by Blueschev |
Abbott and McDonnell have been completely marginalised, and Rayner won't be around the top table much longer. |
abbott and mcdonell haven't stepped down, happy enough to continue the conversation under the labour party label.
people have been saying that about rayner for ages, hasn't changed anything, still very prominent and put up for plenty of official spokesperson duties [Post edited 17 Feb 2023 14:57]
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:57 - Feb 17 with 988 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:53 - Feb 17 by Blueschev |
Lammy is well to the right of McDonnell. |
and mcdonnell is well to the right of mao. where is the centre? | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:19 - Feb 17 with 941 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:52 - Feb 17 by positivity |
you think lammy/mcdonnell et al are in a centre-right party? how would you define centre-left then? |
You really haven't been paying much attention, have you? |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:25 - Feb 17 with 912 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:19 - Feb 17 by Darth_Koont |
You really haven't been paying much attention, have you? |
i've been paying plenty of attention, you really haven't answered any questions or given any solutions have you?
how would you define centre-left then?
which parts of the media are exempt from the dk opprobrium? wondering where you get your news with your q-anon-ish distrust of the "msm"? | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:31 - Feb 17 with 890 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:25 - Feb 17 by positivity |
i've been paying plenty of attention, you really haven't answered any questions or given any solutions have you?
how would you define centre-left then?
which parts of the media are exempt from the dk opprobrium? wondering where you get your news with your q-anon-ish distrust of the "msm"? |
Your view of me and my politics is as deluded as your view on the centre.
Which all makes a lot of sense now. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:32 - Feb 17 with 880 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:31 - Feb 17 by Darth_Koont |
Your view of me and my politics is as deluded as your view on the centre.
Which all makes a lot of sense now. |
you really haven't answered any questions or given any solutions have you?
how would you define centre-left then?
which parts of the media are exempt from the dk opprobrium? | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:40 - Feb 17 with 864 views | Blueschev |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:32 - Feb 17 by positivity |
you really haven't answered any questions or given any solutions have you?
how would you define centre-left then?
which parts of the media are exempt from the dk opprobrium? |
If think DK's point is that there isn't really any centre-left representation in British politics currently. Be that in the media or Parliament.
I read the Guardian, but even they attacked Corbyn from his right on a daily basis. Not to mention their endorsement of the invasion of Iraq. [Post edited 17 Feb 2023 15:47]
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:00 - Feb 17 with 838 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:40 - Feb 17 by Blueschev |
If think DK's point is that there isn't really any centre-left representation in British politics currently. Be that in the media or Parliament.
I read the Guardian, but even they attacked Corbyn from his right on a daily basis. Not to mention their endorsement of the invasion of Iraq. [Post edited 17 Feb 2023 15:47]
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but calling corbyn centre-left is a very extreme position, i would put current labour and the guardian as centre-left, this is generally held to be the case.
the guardian rowed back on the iraq position as mcconnell and abbott did on the ira. evidence can and should challenge your position, admitting you're wrong should be applauded
interested in dk's position & solutions, but he seems very shy of expressing them! | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:11 - Feb 17 with 820 views | Herbivore |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:57 - Feb 17 by positivity |
and mcdonnell is well to the right of mao. where is the centre? |
A bit to the left of Labour. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:13 - Feb 17 with 812 views | Herbivore |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:00 - Feb 17 by positivity |
but calling corbyn centre-left is a very extreme position, i would put current labour and the guardian as centre-left, this is generally held to be the case.
the guardian rowed back on the iraq position as mcconnell and abbott did on the ira. evidence can and should challenge your position, admitting you're wrong should be applauded
interested in dk's position & solutions, but he seems very shy of expressing them! |
I'd say it's a reflection of how right of centre the UK is generally that Corbyn was seen as anything other than centre left and that anyone can claim that current Labour are to the left of centre. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:19 - Feb 17 with 806 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:13 - Feb 17 by Herbivore |
I'd say it's a reflection of how right of centre the UK is generally that Corbyn was seen as anything other than centre left and that anyone can claim that current Labour are to the left of centre. |
not just the uk, labour is widely defined as centre-left
who would you say is true left if corbyn is centre-left? i think he has definite left wing credentials by almost all measures | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:21 - Feb 17 with 800 views | Herbivore |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:19 - Feb 17 by positivity |
not just the uk, labour is widely defined as centre-left
who would you say is true left if corbyn is centre-left? i think he has definite left wing credentials by almost all measures |
Actual socialists/Marxists/communists, not someone suggesting public ownership of utilities and higher taxes for the most well off. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:22 - Feb 17 with 798 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:11 - Feb 17 by Herbivore |
A bit to the left of Labour. |
which part of labour? mcdonnell? burnham? starmer? lammy? rayner? i'd place them all left-of-centre.
name me who meets your definition of a centrist party or politician? | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:22 - Feb 17 with 795 views | Blueschev |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:00 - Feb 17 by positivity |
but calling corbyn centre-left is a very extreme position, i would put current labour and the guardian as centre-left, this is generally held to be the case.
the guardian rowed back on the iraq position as mcconnell and abbott did on the ira. evidence can and should challenge your position, admitting you're wrong should be applauded
interested in dk's position & solutions, but he seems very shy of expressing them! |
I'd say the 2017 and 2019 manifestos were very much centre left, and not much of a shift from Miliband. | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:24 - Feb 17 with 787 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:21 - Feb 17 by Herbivore |
Actual socialists/Marxists/communists, not someone suggesting public ownership of utilities and higher taxes for the most well off. |
i'd say they were extreme left. can't think of any governing party who'd meet that definition of left | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:27 - Feb 17 with 776 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:21 - Feb 17 by Herbivore |
Actual socialists/Marxists/communists, not someone suggesting public ownership of utilities and higher taxes for the most well off. |
80k is not well off though, you can earn that and huve sod all in terms of assets. He should have been targeting wealth taxes not income taxes, there are people earning that money that can’t afford to buy a house whilst the older generation have ACTUAL wealth tied up in houses (often more than one) they bought for a pittance. | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:33 - Feb 17 with 750 views | lowhouseblue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:25 - Feb 17 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed. Whether it’s the Tories, current Labour Party or the vast majority of the media, the right-wingers have little to say except attacking the left.
They’ve got no policies worth a damn. No admission that they’ve failed the country for decades. No understanding of the world outside. No vision for the future. No hope. Just their own ambition and self-interest still being presented as the solution when it’s patently been the problem in the first place.
They seem to be doing little else than trying to convince people that up is down, white is black and that the whole clownish sh1tshow is actually a roaring democratic success. Luckily it’s all a game and isn’t screwing over millions of people ... oh. |
why don't you find a party that represents your views to the letter, join it, and then come back and tell us when it has garnered enough support to have a representative elected so that there's a chance it might actually affect something. let's make it easy - a parish councillor will do. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:34 - Feb 17 with 749 views | Herbivore |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:27 - Feb 17 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
80k is not well off though, you can earn that and huve sod all in terms of assets. He should have been targeting wealth taxes not income taxes, there are people earning that money that can’t afford to buy a house whilst the older generation have ACTUAL wealth tied up in houses (often more than one) they bought for a pittance. |
£80k is three times the national average salary. It's not well off compared to Bill Gates but it's well off compared to 90% of people. It's a wage at which you can afford to be a single income household in most parts of the country and can afford to live more or less anywhere. I don't have an issue with wealth taxes either, though when it's on your own home and it's your only asset I think there needs to be a degree of caution. I'm all for very heavy taxation on multiple property ownership. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:37 - Feb 17 with 728 views | Herbivore |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:24 - Feb 17 by positivity |
i'd say they were extreme left. can't think of any governing party who'd meet that definition of left |
And the kind of laissez faire neoliberal economics of Thatcher and her recent children is, economically at least, pretty far to the right. But we've normalised it to such an extent in the UK that it's not seen that way. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:42 - Feb 17 with 714 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:37 - Feb 17 by Herbivore |
And the kind of laissez faire neoliberal economics of Thatcher and her recent children is, economically at least, pretty far to the right. But we've normalised it to such an extent in the UK that it's not seen that way. |
thatcher's politics were right wing, but not extreme right (cf bolsonaro/trump/mussolini).
it's not normalised in any way in any of the communities that i've lived in, and certainly not in the labour party in my lifetime | |
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