| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate 09:26 - Feb 15 with 20109 views | tractordownsouth |
Big choice for momentum now if he contests the election as an independent. Their MPs are mostly from the newer intakes and they won’t want to give up their jobs to campaign for Corbyn against a Labour candidate, but having alienated the moderate factions they need his base on board. [Post edited 15 Feb 2023 9:28]
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:37 - Feb 15 with 1945 views | Blueschev |
An educated, left wing, black woman. It baffles me why she gets the abuse she does. |  | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:00 - Feb 15 with 1887 views | thebooks |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 14:37 - Feb 15 by DJR |
You face the same dilemma as me but I'm holding on at the moment particularly given the fact that John McDonnell is still a member. |
Yep, got to hang in there, even if the "left" (by which the party currently means anyone who supported Corbyn in any form) is being marginalised. Things won't always be the same.
Anyway, could always vote for someone else as Lab are going to win the next election whatever ;-) |  | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:13 - Feb 15 with 1873 views | Blueschev |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:00 - Feb 15 by thebooks |
Yep, got to hang in there, even if the "left" (by which the party currently means anyone who supported Corbyn in any form) is being marginalised. Things won't always be the same.
Anyway, could always vote for someone else as Lab are going to win the next election whatever ;-) |
Do you honestly believe that the Labour Right would allow another Corbyn to emerge? Starmer is to the right of Blair, and far more ruthless. Soon there won't be a left of the party, which is a tragedy. | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:25 - Feb 15 with 1850 views | thebooks |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:13 - Feb 15 by Blueschev |
Do you honestly believe that the Labour Right would allow another Corbyn to emerge? Starmer is to the right of Blair, and far more ruthless. Soon there won't be a left of the party, which is a tragedy. |
I don't know, to be honest. It'll obviously be hard for a left candidate to even get on any leadership ballot at the moment, but these things are never permanent.
I also don't think Starmer is a particularly smart operator - with the exception of how clear and consistent he's been over the left of the party, ironically enough. Not so long ago he was under some threat; Labour lost Hartlepool in 2021. It's hard to underestimate just how much the Tories have decided to commit political suicide.
Finally, the country is a lot more left leaning over issues such as transport and ownership of utilities, and even the NHS, than it was in 97. Rehashing the same policies won't work once Lab are in power.
Plus, it's only £28 a year :-) | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:25 - Feb 15 with 1850 views | DJR |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:13 - Feb 15 by Blueschev |
Do you honestly believe that the Labour Right would allow another Corbyn to emerge? Starmer is to the right of Blair, and far more ruthless. Soon there won't be a left of the party, which is a tragedy. |
And the thing is that Corbyn wasn't especially left by historic standards. Indeed, he wasn't even arguing for policies as extreme as those favoured by, say, the moderate Jim Callaghan.
It's just that this country has moved so much to the right, that anything which threatens neo-liberalism is considered to be dangerous. |  | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:27 - Feb 15 with 1846 views | DJR |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:00 - Feb 15 by thebooks |
Yep, got to hang in there, even if the "left" (by which the party currently means anyone who supported Corbyn in any form) is being marginalised. Things won't always be the same.
Anyway, could always vote for someone else as Lab are going to win the next election whatever ;-) |
I have an emotional attachment to the Labour Party (as opposed to the Parliamentary party) that probably means I will still vote for them. In any event, where I live, any vote but Tory is a wasted vote. | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:28 - Feb 15 with 1838 views | Blueschev |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:25 - Feb 15 by DJR |
And the thing is that Corbyn wasn't especially left by historic standards. Indeed, he wasn't even arguing for policies as extreme as those favoured by, say, the moderate Jim Callaghan.
It's just that this country has moved so much to the right, that anything which threatens neo-liberalism is considered to be dangerous. |
Very true, and all very depressing. | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:29 - Feb 15 with 1835 views | thebooks |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:25 - Feb 15 by DJR |
And the thing is that Corbyn wasn't especially left by historic standards. Indeed, he wasn't even arguing for policies as extreme as those favoured by, say, the moderate Jim Callaghan.
It's just that this country has moved so much to the right, that anything which threatens neo-liberalism is considered to be dangerous. |
Quite. I think the old, 97-Labour guard simply couldn't handle not being in power any more. The actual policies were acceptable to them, I would imagine.
Also, I think the country has moved towards the 2017 manifesto. God knows why Starmer doesn't just acknowledge this and use those policies. | | | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:31 - Feb 15 with 1814 views | thebooks |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:27 - Feb 15 by DJR |
I have an emotional attachment to the Labour Party (as opposed to the Parliamentary party) that probably means I will still vote for them. In any event, where I live, any vote but Tory is a wasted vote. |
Yes, I haven't voted anything but Lab in 30-odd years.
I'd vote for Corbyn if he was running as an independent, though.
I think Lab will win Ipswich comfortably, so I guess a Green vote would be an option here. | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:34 - Feb 15 with 1797 views | Blueschev |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:29 - Feb 15 by thebooks |
Quite. I think the old, 97-Labour guard simply couldn't handle not being in power any more. The actual policies were acceptable to them, I would imagine.
Also, I think the country has moved towards the 2017 manifesto. God knows why Starmer doesn't just acknowledge this and use those policies. |
Because they run contrary to his own beliefs? Whatever they are. | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:36 - Feb 15 with 1771 views | giant_stow |
Interesting link and I'm sure that what you say explains a lot of the abuse. But its also interesting to note that the next most abused in the research in the link were all white women, so personally, I would say there's more at play than racism here. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:58 - Feb 15 with 1672 views | DJR |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:25 - Feb 15 by thebooks |
I don't know, to be honest. It'll obviously be hard for a left candidate to even get on any leadership ballot at the moment, but these things are never permanent.
I also don't think Starmer is a particularly smart operator - with the exception of how clear and consistent he's been over the left of the party, ironically enough. Not so long ago he was under some threat; Labour lost Hartlepool in 2021. It's hard to underestimate just how much the Tories have decided to commit political suicide.
Finally, the country is a lot more left leaning over issues such as transport and ownership of utilities, and even the NHS, than it was in 97. Rehashing the same policies won't work once Lab are in power.
Plus, it's only £28 a year :-) |
You're absolutely right about the country being more left leaning, it's just that that isn't true of the governing class in the major parties.
Someone who did economics 30 odd years ago suggested to me that part of the reason for the acceptance of the economic status quo is that economics degrees these days have a very narrow scope. Maybe this explains that economically there is probably very little difference between Rachel Reeves and George Osborne. [Post edited 15 Feb 2023 16:59]
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 17:39 - Feb 15 with 1640 views | DanTheMan |
Interesting little tidbit here.
Also worth noting it sounds like he won't stand unless it's as a Labour MP. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 18:07 - Feb 15 with 1611 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:25 - Feb 15 by DJR |
And the thing is that Corbyn wasn't especially left by historic standards. Indeed, he wasn't even arguing for policies as extreme as those favoured by, say, the moderate Jim Callaghan.
It's just that this country has moved so much to the right, that anything which threatens neo-liberalism is considered to be dangerous. |
corbyn's policies weren't that left wing.
if he was even halfway decent as a leader and wasn't encumbered by his baggage, he'd have done much better.
shame that the left of the party hasn't had a natural leader for so long (since benn?) |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 18:13 - Feb 15 with 1601 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 17:39 - Feb 15 by DanTheMan |
Interesting little tidbit here.
Also worth noting it sounds like he won't stand unless it's as a Labour MP. |
Corbyn a Brexiteer? Who knew?
Well anyone who had heard of Jeremy Corbyn before 2015 did. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 18:15 - Feb 15 with 1599 views | DanTheMan |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 18:13 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Corbyn a Brexiteer? Who knew?
Well anyone who had heard of Jeremy Corbyn before 2015 did. |
I think everyone knew, just funny to hear someone finally say it. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 18:21 - Feb 15 with 1577 views | factual_blue |
For her to have gained a place on the Civil Service 'fast stream' thirty or more years ago, demonstrates her substantial intellect.
So, not only is she black, she's bright.
And, as she's diabetic, that probably addresses the confusion she showed with numbers and data during the last election. Stress and diabetes are a bad combination. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 20:15 - Feb 15 with 1516 views | thebooks |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:58 - Feb 15 by DJR |
You're absolutely right about the country being more left leaning, it's just that that isn't true of the governing class in the major parties.
Someone who did economics 30 odd years ago suggested to me that part of the reason for the acceptance of the economic status quo is that economics degrees these days have a very narrow scope. Maybe this explains that economically there is probably very little difference between Rachel Reeves and George Osborne. [Post edited 15 Feb 2023 16:59]
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That sounds right, although Economics teaching will only reflect what is considered as “given”, so perhaps that’s not surprising.
For me, it’s more about power within the party itself. Apostasy tends to breed extremism, and the Blairite wing was about nothing if not accepting — and embracing — the Thatcherite truth. What a shame Starmer turned out to be such a zealot. | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 22:37 - Feb 15 with 1417 views | lowhouseblue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 09:53 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue |
He also presided over the Labour Party being prosecuted for anti Jewish racism by the EHRC. The first major political party ever to be put in steadily messures.
Thankfully Starmer has detoxified the party in just two years.
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also: diane abbott:
“The only thing that they differed on was that Jeremy, in his heart of hearts, was a Brexiteer. And Keir Starmer, at that point, was passionately pro-Remain.”
i remember being told on here that corbyn being labour leader, and campaigning for remain like it was a bad smell under his nose, was irrelevant to brexit winning the referendum. but abbott now spills the beans. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 02:11 - Feb 16 with 1312 views | Zapers |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 22:37 - Feb 15 by lowhouseblue |
also: diane abbott:
“The only thing that they differed on was that Jeremy, in his heart of hearts, was a Brexiteer. And Keir Starmer, at that point, was passionately pro-Remain.”
i remember being told on here that corbyn being labour leader, and campaigning for remain like it was a bad smell under his nose, was irrelevant to brexit winning the referendum. but abbott now spills the beans. |
And denial will still continue to rule;) | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:30 - Feb 16 with 1173 views | Herbivore |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 15:25 - Feb 15 by DJR |
And the thing is that Corbyn wasn't especially left by historic standards. Indeed, he wasn't even arguing for policies as extreme as those favoured by, say, the moderate Jim Callaghan.
It's just that this country has moved so much to the right, that anything which threatens neo-liberalism is considered to be dangerous. |
This. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:39 - Feb 16 with 1142 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 16:58 - Feb 15 by DJR |
You're absolutely right about the country being more left leaning, it's just that that isn't true of the governing class in the major parties.
Someone who did economics 30 odd years ago suggested to me that part of the reason for the acceptance of the economic status quo is that economics degrees these days have a very narrow scope. Maybe this explains that economically there is probably very little difference between Rachel Reeves and George Osborne. [Post edited 15 Feb 2023 16:59]
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The major parties and newspapers have followed capitalism to its extreme. As much as anything else to make sure they get their cut.
They’ve sold out – and sold our votes – to further their own interests. That’s why these people keep telling us change is impossible. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 13:09 - Feb 16 with 1110 views | noggin |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 12:39 - Feb 16 by Darth_Koont |
The major parties and newspapers have followed capitalism to its extreme. As much as anything else to make sure they get their cut.
They’ve sold out – and sold our votes – to further their own interests. That’s why these people keep telling us change is impossible. |
And the gullible lap it up. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 13:51 - Feb 16 with 1051 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 13:09 - Feb 16 by noggin |
And the gullible lap it up. |
so what's the answer? do you vote for the best option and keep challenging them to be better?
or do you waste your vote on a galloway/corbyn-type protest and allow the hard right to wreck the NHS further?
it's good to have principles, but making the perfect the enemy of the good is never a great idea! | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 13:55 - Feb 16 with 1029 views | leitrimblue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 13:51 - Feb 16 by positivity |
so what's the answer? do you vote for the best option and keep challenging them to be better?
or do you waste your vote on a galloway/corbyn-type protest and allow the hard right to wreck the NHS further?
it's good to have principles, but making the perfect the enemy of the good is never a great idea! |
Not sure I would call Starmers Labour the hard right quite yet  |  | | |
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