| Is it arrogance....? 12:33 - May 3 with 4815 views | BigCommon |
Is it arrogance to think that we could ride the wave of momentum and challenge for promotion next season?
Some bookies think we are in with a shout. Are they arrogant Ipswich fans?
Not buying this "arrogance" bllx...
We have huge momentum, a Championship ready back bone to our squad. Potential to add to, and improve the squad further. An amazing manager, coaching staff and set up. And an outstanding fan base, that will be a loud and proud 12th man.
Isn't it just logical, to think we could challenge for top 6, in a division littered with stagnating clubs
I don't see it as arrogance. Far from it. Some wishful thinking, perhaps. But certainly within the realms of possibility..
It amazes me, when a supporter thinks that their club could do well. They get labelled with arrogance..
If I'm asked whether we could finish top 6 next season. My answer is a big fat yes..
I may be wrong. But certainly not arrogant, in my answer. ...Just a believer...
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| Is it arrogance....? on 12:37 - May 3 with 3894 views | Stenvict |
The bookies only think we're in with a shout because none of the Prem teams, or Champ teams in and around the play offs are included in the betting. Wait for the table to be finalised, and I think we'll be mid table in the betting. |  |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 12:37 - May 3 with 3888 views | J2BLUE |
Of course not. Momentum and team spirit are massive.
We have to be careful not to get carried away though. A season finishing 12th while we build on last season and add pieces to the jigsaw would be a decent season if we're all thinking sensibly. I'm sure we will have a good season but targets should not be set too high by fans. |  |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 12:39 - May 3 with 3866 views | GeoffSentence |
| Is it arrogance....? on 12:37 - May 3 by J2BLUE |
Of course not. Momentum and team spirit are massive.
We have to be careful not to get carried away though. A season finishing 12th while we build on last season and add pieces to the jigsaw would be a decent season if we're all thinking sensibly. I'm sure we will have a good season but targets should not be set too high by fans. |
100 points, 100 goals. Six and ten of them against the budgies.
We'll do it. |  |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 12:40 - May 3 with 3855 views | blueasfook |
I'm deffo gonna have a little flutter on getting promoted next season. Worth a little bet I think |  |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 12:58 - May 3 with 3741 views | BigCommon |
| Is it arrogance....? on 12:37 - May 3 by Stenvict |
The bookies only think we're in with a shout because none of the Prem teams, or Champ teams in and around the play offs are included in the betting. Wait for the table to be finalised, and I think we'll be mid table in the betting. |
All true, and we haven't had a window yet, so no one knows what teams squads are going to look like...And very little money has gone on, to affect odds.... Point is, were not down as relegation fodder. And even mid placed teams have been in with a shout, up until the final couple of games..
We are in with a reasonable shout of play offs, imo.. And I'm looking forward to that..... [ I reserve the right to change my opinion at any time ðŸ˜]. | | | |
| Is it arrogance....? on 13:03 - May 3 with 3690 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I think its reasonable to think that we will be fighting at the right end of the table next season for sure.
Was listening to the NTT20 podcast and they said that they expect us to be in the promotion mix next season. In the championship if you are in 12th place you are only about 6 points off the playoffs for most of the season, it is so tight.
I think its unlikely we will be promoted next season, its very rare for a team to go back to back. But I expect us to finish anywhere between 5th and 12th. |  |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 13:13 - May 3 with 3629 views | clive_baker |
I don't think it's arrogance. Confidence maybe.
The Championship is a very hard league to get out of (in the right direction), but there's a lot to be said for going up there with momentum and the belief that we have in this group. We look 9 foot tall at the moment and like we wouldn't fear anyone in the division above. We've seen clubs in the past get back to back promotions, or get up from L1 and consolidate there (Brighton & Brentford) before building for sustainable promotion pushes to the Premier League. Perhaps with the exception of that ridiculous Southampton team I wouldn't say any were as good as we've looked. I guess if you're a cynic you could say we've played Plymouth and Sheffield Wednesday both twice this season, the other 2 of the top 3 and not managed to beat either. But I don't really see it like that, not least because all 4 of those performances were encouraging. We've also dismantled other upper L1 sides, and the form and performance levels we've seen, especially since the January signings has been excellent. We've also got a manager who has all the tools at his disposal to try and kick us on beyond the Championship.
If I had to take a punt right now I would say we would comfortably stay up, perhaps find our level in the middle of that division. But I know the owners see the Premier League as the big prize and they'll back us heavily. I think we'll need some additions if we're to take that step to 'top' Championship side and genuine promotion challengers. I'm not sure our fringe players like Hladky, JD, Harness, Evans, Ball, Jackson et al (plus others) have ever or will ever be in that bracket. I imagine we'll see a few in over the summer, and perhaps look to give us another push in Jan if next season is looking promising. |  |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 13:16 - May 3 with 3591 views | clive_baker |
| Is it arrogance....? on 12:40 - May 3 by blueasfook |
I'm deffo gonna have a little flutter on getting promoted next season. Worth a little bet I think |
I've already had £30 with a Cardiff supporting mate of mine that we finish above them. | |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 13:20 - May 3 with 3571 views | N2_Blue |
No of course not. Momentum is the most important thing other than player ability on the pitch.
It’s happened several times, teams with huge momentum have got a double promotion, and often from a place of being a complete mess in the previous years.
Promotion of course is a huge ask, especially with parachute payments to the relegated clubs but I think we’ll be challenging top half of the table and hopefully at least the playoffs. |  |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 13:20 - May 3 with 3572 views | Illinoisblue |
| Is it arrogance....? on 13:13 - May 3 by clive_baker |
I don't think it's arrogance. Confidence maybe.
The Championship is a very hard league to get out of (in the right direction), but there's a lot to be said for going up there with momentum and the belief that we have in this group. We look 9 foot tall at the moment and like we wouldn't fear anyone in the division above. We've seen clubs in the past get back to back promotions, or get up from L1 and consolidate there (Brighton & Brentford) before building for sustainable promotion pushes to the Premier League. Perhaps with the exception of that ridiculous Southampton team I wouldn't say any were as good as we've looked. I guess if you're a cynic you could say we've played Plymouth and Sheffield Wednesday both twice this season, the other 2 of the top 3 and not managed to beat either. But I don't really see it like that, not least because all 4 of those performances were encouraging. We've also dismantled other upper L1 sides, and the form and performance levels we've seen, especially since the January signings has been excellent. We've also got a manager who has all the tools at his disposal to try and kick us on beyond the Championship.
If I had to take a punt right now I would say we would comfortably stay up, perhaps find our level in the middle of that division. But I know the owners see the Premier League as the big prize and they'll back us heavily. I think we'll need some additions if we're to take that step to 'top' Championship side and genuine promotion challengers. I'm not sure our fringe players like Hladky, JD, Harness, Evans, Ball, Jackson et al (plus others) have ever or will ever be in that bracket. I imagine we'll see a few in over the summer, and perhaps look to give us another push in Jan if next season is looking promising. |
I guess the flip side to that is it was one of the weakest L1s ever and we had to throw 4million at the squad in January to get out of it.
But, momentum and team spirit and savvy owners - not to mention one of the best young managers in Europe - seems there’s no reason why top 10 championship should not be achievable. |  |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 13:21 - May 3 with 3556 views | Vegtablue |
The global soccer ratings people have awarded us a value that places us above Coventry in a hypothetical (now maybe not so!) matchup, so I don't think we're deluding ourselves. Mid-table to playoffs is notoriously tight up there. | | | |
| Is it arrogance....? on 13:45 - May 3 with 3442 views | BlueForYou |
Certainly think we can be top half of the Championship, which would be great, but we developed such a huge momentum & belief, can that be carried over to go higher? |  | | |
| Is it arrogance....? on 14:04 - May 3 with 3375 views | Pinewoodblue |
An each way bet should help cover the cost of next seasons play offs. |  |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 14:49 - May 3 with 3265 views | BigCommon |
| Is it arrogance....? on 13:20 - May 3 by Illinoisblue |
I guess the flip side to that is it was one of the weakest L1s ever and we had to throw 4million at the squad in January to get out of it.
But, momentum and team spirit and savvy owners - not to mention one of the best young managers in Europe - seems there’s no reason why top 10 championship should not be achievable. |
See, I disagree that L1 was weak.... The top 8 or 9 teams were all decent imo..Although there is probably a bigger gap between top 8 and bottom 8 than previously.... Put it this way, of the 3 teams that came down. None of them are promoted, yet...And I wouldn't want to be in the Pos, with SW, Barnsley, Bolton, Derby/Posh... I'd say the top half of the division was very strong, hence the points totals for top 4 sides.... Heard a few Barnsley and Posh fans saying it's a stronger league (harder to get out of), than it was a couple of seasons back, when they were last here.... Think us, Plymouth and Wednesday have made it look easier at times. But have still had to work hard for results. | | | |
| Is it arrogance....? on 14:56 - May 3 with 3215 views | textbackup |
I worry that I’ve forgotten what a championship footballer looks like.
But then vs the overall winners of said league we put up two great fights.
My guess now, top 6 finish next season. (Providing we hold on to our key men - players and management) |  |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 15:02 - May 3 with 3179 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Is it arrogance....? on 14:49 - May 3 by BigCommon |
See, I disagree that L1 was weak.... The top 8 or 9 teams were all decent imo..Although there is probably a bigger gap between top 8 and bottom 8 than previously.... Put it this way, of the 3 teams that came down. None of them are promoted, yet...And I wouldn't want to be in the Pos, with SW, Barnsley, Bolton, Derby/Posh... I'd say the top half of the division was very strong, hence the points totals for top 4 sides.... Heard a few Barnsley and Posh fans saying it's a stronger league (harder to get out of), than it was a couple of seasons back, when they were last here.... Think us, Plymouth and Wednesday have made it look easier at times. But have still had to work hard for results. |
Yes, it's simply not true it was a weak L1. It gets stronger every year in terms of the top 8 or so teams. The side Lambert had on the fringes of the play offs when he left would be absolutely nowhere near it this season. This team would have waltzed through the division and been well clear in our first two seasons down here. [Post edited 3 May 2023 15:04]
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| Is it arrogance....? on 15:06 - May 3 with 3153 views | Sawtrich |
The way I'd look at it is this, how many Championship teams could've gone on the run we've just had since the January signings bedded in if they were in League One? The away victories to nil against Bolton, Derby, Peterborough and Barnsley, a succession of 4-0 and 6-0 home wins? Maybe the top 4 and that's it IMO. Of course the relegated teams from the Prem have a big financial advantage but we now have money behind us as well and the infrastructure to compete at the highest level has been put in place over the last couple of years. We've got a chance. |  | | |
| Is it arrogance....? on 15:15 - May 3 with 3099 views | N2_Blue |
| Is it arrogance....? on 13:20 - May 3 by Illinoisblue |
I guess the flip side to that is it was one of the weakest L1s ever and we had to throw 4million at the squad in January to get out of it.
But, momentum and team spirit and savvy owners - not to mention one of the best young managers in Europe - seems there’s no reason why top 10 championship should not be achievable. |
One of the weakest League 1’s ever???
Not sure about that. Sure from 10th downwards there is a lot of dross but I’d say that’s the same every year at this level. However the top 10 and the top 6 especially are as strong as anything there has been in that division. Plymouth had an excellent squad supplemented by decent loans.
Sheff Weds have plenty of players played at a higher level and Barry Bannan running their side.
Barnsley just out of the Champ
Bolton and Derby big clubs with decent squads
Sides like Pboro and Wycombe no mugs at this level
Portsmouth and Charlton are not a bad sides and they struggled to get no where near the top 6.
So whilst the bottom is weak I don’t think there is any way you can call this season one of the weakest League ones personally | |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 15:24 - May 3 with 3066 views | BlueOura |
| Is it arrogance....? on 13:20 - May 3 by Illinoisblue |
I guess the flip side to that is it was one of the weakest L1s ever and we had to throw 4million at the squad in January to get out of it.
But, momentum and team spirit and savvy owners - not to mention one of the best young managers in Europe - seems there’s no reason why top 10 championship should not be achievable. |
One of the weakest L1's ever? Really? I'd say it was quite possibly the strongest ever.
Plymouth,us & Weds set an incredible pace and there was also a strong Barnsley team plus Derby, Bolton & Peterborough. You then had some really awkward sh!thouse teams like Wycombe, Lincoln and Fleetwood, and on top of that decent sized former PL clubs in Portsmouth and Charlton. |  | | |
| Is it arrogance....? on 15:37 - May 3 with 3027 views | Cornishman |
| Is it arrogance....? on 15:24 - May 3 by BlueOura |
One of the weakest L1's ever? Really? I'd say it was quite possibly the strongest ever.
Plymouth,us & Weds set an incredible pace and there was also a strong Barnsley team plus Derby, Bolton & Peterborough. You then had some really awkward sh!thouse teams like Wycombe, Lincoln and Fleetwood, and on top of that decent sized former PL clubs in Portsmouth and Charlton. |
As an Argyle fan this for me too. I have seen a lot of League 1 in my many years following the Greens and this is without doubt the strongest League 1 ever. I'm still pinching myself we are up with Ipswich having seen off the likes of Wednesday, Barnsley, Derby, Bolton, Portsmouth and Charlton and having to get 97 points to be sure.
The way Ipswich have just brushed aside play off teams like some of the aforementined by 3 or 4 goals, even on their own pitches in the last few months of the season has been nothing short of remarkable.
It they are spanking teams like that on a regular basis I can only see them with a few more additions comfortably coping with what most of the Championship has to offer. If it was my team I wouldn't feel arrogant thinking we were looking to challenge at the top end of the table next season. | | | |
| Is it arrogance....? on 16:02 - May 3 with 2935 views | OldFart71 |
Whilst we all want to believe it's possible and it is, just as this season went we need to be on our A game for most of the season. Only playing a few games will determine how strong our squad is. Unfortunately that in itself is a problem as if it is deemed that say our centre halves or midfield isn't strong enough you then have to wait until January to get players capable of competitng. This season we started well then had the injuries pre Christmas, brought in the four players and then had to bed them in before kicking on. What are the chances of doing the same in the Championship of having a run similar to what we have just experienced ? Pretty remote I'd say. But then we do have some shrewdies at the club now who will most likely know roughly what is required and will no doubt bring in the necessary before the new season. | | | |
| Is it arrogance....? on 16:09 - May 3 with 2906 views | clive_baker |
| Is it arrogance....? on 16:02 - May 3 by OldFart71 |
Whilst we all want to believe it's possible and it is, just as this season went we need to be on our A game for most of the season. Only playing a few games will determine how strong our squad is. Unfortunately that in itself is a problem as if it is deemed that say our centre halves or midfield isn't strong enough you then have to wait until January to get players capable of competitng. This season we started well then had the injuries pre Christmas, brought in the four players and then had to bed them in before kicking on. What are the chances of doing the same in the Championship of having a run similar to what we have just experienced ? Pretty remote I'd say. But then we do have some shrewdies at the club now who will most likely know roughly what is required and will no doubt bring in the necessary before the new season. |
That said, if we want to have a crack at the playoffs next season we won't need anything like the level of consistency and points as we've needed to finish top 2 this year.
Sunderland have won 17 games from 45 and go into the final day with a chance of the playoffs. | |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 17:14 - May 3 with 2790 views | ArnieM |
Back to back promotions. There, I’ve said it ! |  |
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| Is it arrogance....? on 18:10 - May 3 with 2696 views | patrickswell |
I swing between thinking that we could continue the run to another promotion or we’ll finish 18th. I think we could have a good season next year, but equally there may be games and days when we get beaten or dealt with more easily than most League One teams could.
Regardless, enjoy the ride and stick with McKenna and the team if we do hit any sticky spells of form/results. |  | | |
| Is it arrogance....? on 18:30 - May 3 with 2647 views | Ryorry |
No - last time we got promoted, we finished 5th in the Prem the following season & only narrowly failed to make top 3 on the final day of the season (and I just missed out on a £2.50 e/w bet at (iirc) 5000/1 that we'd take the title - the e/w would have meant a return of £2.5K if we'd got 3rd  ) |  |
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