| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week 04:57 - May 24 with 41912 views | The_Romford_Blue |
1,000 Animal Rising protesters turning up to ruin the Derby at Epsom. Track has applied for an injunction to ban them or they’ll ruin it but even if they get the injunction (unlikely I’d imagine), it’ll be a nightmare stopping them with Epsom’s course layout. Epsom, unlike Aintree, is an open track and getting on to ruin it will not be that difficult unfortunately. It’s part of a public footpath when racing isn’t on to the side of the course so can be accessed if people want to quite easily. They’ve specifically said today in writing and in a meeting with the course that they plan to turn up and ruin both days by sitting on the track.
So that’ll be another sporting event I’m in attendance that these tw*ts ruin. That’s if I even get there with the now added train strike announced conveniently three days ago. Two days off work, train tickets, race day tickets at £140 a pop per day and it’ll probably end up cancelled anyway because it’s 2023 and nothing I like doing goes without someone sitting in the way trying to ruin it.
I doubt TWTD is the place to moan about this though as, like with the Snooker World Championship last month, the racing isn’t something the majority on here enjoy so it’s ok. They’ll no doubt target a town game soon just to really make me despise them. Protest for protest sake. There’s always something someone somewhere disagrees with and will then protest about and attempt to ruin.
What a depressing time to be a human being. [Post edited 24 May 2023 5:03]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:09 - May 24 with 2065 views | Zx1988 |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:07 - May 24 by The_Romford_Blue |
That’s somewhat unfair Stokie and you know it.
I said she did that knowing full well that it was likely the horse would die but did it anyway. As someone who took A-Level history and this came up, I know she survived. |
She didn't though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Davison#Fatal_injury_at_the_Derby |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:13 - May 24 with 2026 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:25 - May 24 by Trequartista |
I'm going to sit on the fence with this one. (Even though there are none at Epsom).
On one hand, I don't like the tone of many of the replies to this. There is an undercurrent of 'we know best' that seems designed to make the op feel like a bad person, rather than actually address the points in a polite manner. It does also seem, as someone has already pointed out, that these replies would be a lot different if it was something we all enjoyed i.e. an itfc fixture.
On the other hand, deep down, i agree with the protestors. You can talk about the sport treating horses better than ever as much as you want, but in the end it boils down to humans riding on animals for sport and gambling, something that would look completely weird if it was a new invention. There is not that same element in snooker, football etc.
Should the protestors protest peacefully around the perimeter or try and make their protest on the track? On this one, I think they should keep off the track, but I do understand the nature of protesting, i.e. the less disruptive the protest, the less effect it has. |
Thankyou for the constructive and fair reply. A rarity on this thread from the usual squad.
For what it’s worth, I actually think a peaceful off track protest as they do most years is fine. It’s not for me personally and I just walk by then but that’s a fair democratic right.
Going onto private property, going on the track and ruining the day for 150,000 people who’ve paid for something… that’s not ok.
If it was an Ipswich game these same people on here would be crying their eyes out. But it’s not something they like so it’s ok. Hypocrites | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:15 - May 24 with 2033 views | blueasfook |
After the Grand National, I did some research into the numbers of deaths in horse racing. These shocking figures may change your mind once you see in numbers how many horses die - pretty much every day at meets around the country - and this is just in the UK. The US has similarly high figures.
This site has been recording the numbers since 2007 and has recorded 2631 horse deaths in 5917 days. Now imagine if that was footballers dying daily or darts players or whatever. But hey, they're just animals right?
https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/ |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:17 - May 24 with 1968 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 07:59 - May 24 by Herbivore |
Good on them. Perhaps one day you'll step outside your bubble, Rommers, and actually care about something deeper than gambling and ITFC. Then you might start to understand why these people are protesting and why train staff are striking. [Post edited 24 May 2023 8:02]
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That’s actually a somewhat disgraceful comment Herbs. I thought you were better than that.
I care about a lot of things. More than you’d realise. I have a very sick friend with a very sick and evil cancer. My 4k in Cheltenham winnings went in some towards her having her surgery whenever she can get it. I’d obviously no intention of that ever being made public but your suggestion has bothered me. It’s only money. I don’t give a damn if I’ve got any or loads. I care about people. I care about my friends. To suggest I don’t care about anything other than Ipswich and betting is really not true at all. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:20 - May 24 with 1917 views | noggin |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:15 - May 24 by blueasfook |
After the Grand National, I did some research into the numbers of deaths in horse racing. These shocking figures may change your mind once you see in numbers how many horses die - pretty much every day at meets around the country - and this is just in the UK. The US has similarly high figures.
This site has been recording the numbers since 2007 and has recorded 2631 horse deaths in 5917 days. Now imagine if that was footballers dying daily or darts players or whatever. But hey, they're just animals right?
https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/ |
Yeah but what about a man's right to gamble? |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:21 - May 24 with 1879 views | blueasfook |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:20 - May 24 by noggin |
Yeah but what about a man's right to gamble? |
It's just gone up to 2632 since I posted the link 5 minutes ago. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:23 - May 24 with 1847 views | The_Romford_Blue |
The horse we’re referring to I thought?
Albeit actually it was a colt I believe so he rather than she. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:23 - May 24 with 1830 views | StokieBlue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:07 - May 24 by The_Romford_Blue |
That’s somewhat unfair Stokie and you know it.
I said she did that knowing full well that it was likely the horse would die but did it anyway. As someone who took A-Level history and this came up, I know she survived. |
There was a reason why that thread was deleted and it wasn't due your glowing tributes to the suffragettes.
You said some rather unpleasant things in that thread.
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:28 - May 24 with 1738 views | Keno |
I wonder if this thread will make it to a 10 pager? I think it will some hurdles to over first |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:28 - May 24 with 1743 views | DanTheMan |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:15 - May 24 by blueasfook |
After the Grand National, I did some research into the numbers of deaths in horse racing. These shocking figures may change your mind once you see in numbers how many horses die - pretty much every day at meets around the country - and this is just in the UK. The US has similarly high figures.
This site has been recording the numbers since 2007 and has recorded 2631 horse deaths in 5917 days. Now imagine if that was footballers dying daily or darts players or whatever. But hey, they're just animals right?
https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/ |
Wow, that's way more than I had assumed. I thought it was a fairly rare occurrence. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:31 - May 24 with 1686 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:23 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
There was a reason why that thread was deleted and it wasn't due your glowing tributes to the suffragettes.
You said some rather unpleasant things in that thread.
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From memory that thread got deleted because Callis made it about veganism and it became a 15 pager mostly about vegans. I bowed out before halfway in that.
My opinion of the suffragettes is exactly the same as it was back then? That their cause was great, but we obviously the right thing to be hoping for and they had as much right to vote as men. Obviously. But that by choosing to risk the life of a horse by jumping in front of it at 40mph, she decided her protest was more important than the life of the horse. And for that I disagreed with her decision to go into the track that day. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:32 - May 24 with 1677 views | clive_baker |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:28 - May 24 by Keno |
I wonder if this thread will make it to a 10 pager? I think it will some hurdles to over first |
Unlikely. I've only been following this thread on the hoof but I would say it's far from stable. But hay, stranger things have happened. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:33 - May 24 with 1670 views | blueasfook |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:28 - May 24 by DanTheMan |
Wow, that's way more than I had assumed. I thought it was a fairly rare occurrence. |
Exactly - i was shocked when I saw the numbers. Certainly changed my mind about horse racing. I'd like to see it stopped. But then, it supports a multi-billion pound gambling industry so not likely. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:34 - May 24 with 1635 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:28 - May 24 by DanTheMan |
Wow, that's way more than I had assumed. I thought it was a fairly rare occurrence. |
I’m not saying it’s right but we’re talking 1 in every 500 runners.
In comparison, statistically more horses percentage wise die in a field than these thoroughbreds are in racing. Because of the treatment of the horses.
I completely understand people are anti racint and that’s fine. I don’t go disrupting their protests. My issue is they’re planning en masse to ruin an event for people. They’re purely here to ruin it. That’s where I have an issue. [Post edited 24 May 2023 16:15]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:37 - May 24 with 1582 views | Keno |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:32 - May 24 by clive_baker |
Unlikely. I've only been following this thread on the hoof but I would say it's far from stable. But hay, stranger things have happened. |
its galloping along at the moment | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:37 - May 24 with 1571 views | Zx1988 |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:34 - May 24 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’m not saying it’s right but we’re talking 1 in every 500 runners.
In comparison, statistically more horses percentage wise die in a field than these thoroughbreds are in racing. Because of the treatment of the horses.
I completely understand people are anti racint and that’s fine. I don’t go disrupting their protests. My issue is they’re planning en masse to ruin an event for people. They’re purely here to ruin it. That’s where I have an issue. [Post edited 24 May 2023 16:15]
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But what if that was one in every 250 footballers? Or the same statistic for steeplechase runners? | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:39 - May 24 with 1547 views | clive_baker |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:34 - May 24 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’m not saying it’s right but we’re talking 1 in every 500 runners.
In comparison, statistically more horses percentage wise die in a field than these thoroughbreds are in racing. Because of the treatment of the horses.
I completely understand people are anti racint and that’s fine. I don’t go disrupting their protests. My issue is they’re planning en masse to ruin an event for people. They’re purely here to ruin it. That’s where I have an issue. [Post edited 24 May 2023 16:15]
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Genuine question, is it mostly jump racing that causes all these deaths? | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:39 - May 24 with 1547 views | Herbivore |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:13 - May 24 by The_Romford_Blue |
Thankyou for the constructive and fair reply. A rarity on this thread from the usual squad.
For what it’s worth, I actually think a peaceful off track protest as they do most years is fine. It’s not for me personally and I just walk by then but that’s a fair democratic right.
Going onto private property, going on the track and ruining the day for 150,000 people who’ve paid for something… that’s not ok.
If it was an Ipswich game these same people on here would be crying their eyes out. But it’s not something they like so it’s ok. Hypocrites |
Yes, after you kicked it off in perfectly reasonable, measured fashion it quickly descended. For shame. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:39 - May 24 with 1547 views | J2BLUE |
What's the minimum sentence for breaking an injunction? Could we see protesters inside for Christmas and New Year? |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:39 - May 24 with 1540 views | Radlett_blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:27 - May 24 by Zx1988 |
Good point, Ryorry - which, for me, paints the picture in the complete opposite light.
The comfortably-paid drivers are happy to strike and lose pay in order to support those less well-off than them, to safeguard the lower ranks against redundancies, and to preserve the safety of the railways.
It'd be all too easy for those on £50k+ a year to sit back with an 'I'm all right, Jack' attitude, and let the station staff look after themselves. |
The well paid train drivers are largely members of ASLEF, not the RMT, who represent most of the other rail workers & when the drivers strike, it's usually to get better pay & conditions for themselves, not their less well paid colleagues. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:40 - May 24 with 1542 views | blueasfook |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:34 - May 24 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’m not saying it’s right but we’re talking 1 in every 500 runners.
In comparison, statistically more horses percentage wise die in a field than these thoroughbreds are in racing. Because of the treatment of the horses.
I completely understand people are anti racint and that’s fine. I don’t go disrupting their protests. My issue is they’re planning en masse to ruin an event for people. They’re purely here to ruin it. That’s where I have an issue. [Post edited 24 May 2023 16:15]
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Imagine people being upset that huge numbers of horses are dying at race meets. They should get a life shouldnt they. [Post edited 24 May 2023 15:40]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:42 - May 24 with 1521 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:39 - May 24 by Herbivore |
Yes, after you kicked it off in perfectly reasonable, measured fashion it quickly descended. For shame. |
Will you be responding to my reply about me only caring about gambling and horse racing herbs? Seeing as it’s such a poor thing to say, and I’ve given you a full and proper response, id be interested as to whether you redact that comment before we proceed further in the discussion.
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:49 - May 24 with 1475 views | StokieBlue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:34 - May 24 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’m not saying it’s right but we’re talking 1 in every 500 runners.
In comparison, statistically more horses percentage wise die in a field than these thoroughbreds are in racing. Because of the treatment of the horses.
I completely understand people are anti racint and that’s fine. I don’t go disrupting their protests. My issue is they’re planning en masse to ruin an event for people. They’re purely here to ruin it. That’s where I have an issue. [Post edited 24 May 2023 16:15]
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Do you have a link to stats showing that more horses die in fields normalised for the difference in baseline numbers?
I'd also point out those horses don't die in front of thousands of people as part of a spectacle.
Finally, rather than responding twice, I'll respond to your other post here:
I understand you're worried about the possible injury to a horse from running onto the track but then where do you draw the line - are you not worried that forcing a horse to jump over high fences at 40mph is also possibly going to cause injury?
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