| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week 04:57 - May 24 with 41939 views | The_Romford_Blue |
1,000 Animal Rising protesters turning up to ruin the Derby at Epsom. Track has applied for an injunction to ban them or they’ll ruin it but even if they get the injunction (unlikely I’d imagine), it’ll be a nightmare stopping them with Epsom’s course layout. Epsom, unlike Aintree, is an open track and getting on to ruin it will not be that difficult unfortunately. It’s part of a public footpath when racing isn’t on to the side of the course so can be accessed if people want to quite easily. They’ve specifically said today in writing and in a meeting with the course that they plan to turn up and ruin both days by sitting on the track.
So that’ll be another sporting event I’m in attendance that these tw*ts ruin. That’s if I even get there with the now added train strike announced conveniently three days ago. Two days off work, train tickets, race day tickets at £140 a pop per day and it’ll probably end up cancelled anyway because it’s 2023 and nothing I like doing goes without someone sitting in the way trying to ruin it.
I doubt TWTD is the place to moan about this though as, like with the Snooker World Championship last month, the racing isn’t something the majority on here enjoy so it’s ok. They’ll no doubt target a town game soon just to really make me despise them. Protest for protest sake. There’s always something someone somewhere disagrees with and will then protest about and attempt to ruin.
What a depressing time to be a human being. [Post edited 24 May 2023 5:03]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:11 - May 24 with 2215 views | eireblue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:57 - May 24 by J2BLUE |
Are you suggesting there is as much danger for a horse as there would be for an unarmed human going one on one with a lion?
Have you seen the build up to races? Sometimes experienced horses know they are about to race because they have seen it many times before yet they look incredibly calm and relaxed. That's about as scientific as what you have just said. |
I have also seen gazelles looking very calm and relaxed around lions.
And then, err, not so relaxed.
Similar to seeing a lion looking quite jaunty, except when a bunch of hyenas pop up for a feed.
I did post some sciency type stuff about this once before, about invoking the flight response in horses, about why the will to run until a cardiac event, it isn’t optimal for the individual horse, but it is an optimal strategy for horses. It is also why donkeys are different to horses, they may seem to be stubborn, but they essentially have a freeze and fight mechanism Evolution sometimes does develop herd strategies.
So on the horse or human vs a lion, I was more suggesting keeping it at the human vs lion to start with. [Post edited 24 May 2023 19:13]
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| ....and you should be praised for it. (n/t) on 19:13 - May 24 with 2196 views | Bloots |
| Yeah, I expect that..... on 19:11 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
It's amazing how one can post so often and yet contribute nothing.
It's quite the skill.
SB |
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| "The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025) |
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| Yeah, I expect that..... on 19:14 - May 24 with 2174 views | bluelagos |
| Yeah, I expect that..... on 19:09 - May 24 by Bloots |
....horse racing will now get banned because of what's left of the TWTD LBF getting all sanctimonious on an internet forum.
Arf. |
Cos that's exactly what I posted .. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 20:16 - May 24 with 2089 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:08 - May 24 by KrakenBlue |
Wouldn't a more sensible outcome be that no new racehorses could be registered or bred, so there wouldn't be an issue with a load of race horses and the owners would do whatever they do with the old horses now (lasagne, glue, France, who knows).
It's not complicated |
Good point. Horses are being ‘moved on’ all the time. To suggest it would only be an issue if racing was suddenly stopped is a bit misleading.
I’ve got no skin in this game though; the thread seems a bit of a predictable and classic TWTD arguing for the sake of it. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 21:15 - May 24 with 2039 views | leitrimblue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:20 - May 24 by eireblue |
Anyone else wondering where horses die?
About 1 in 400 around the time of racing, and another 1 in I can’t remember say 1000 die in a field.
Where are the rest of them? |
I like to think they become unicorns and live happily ever after at the end of the rainbow |  | | |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 21:16 - May 24 with 2037 views | Herbivore |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 20:16 - May 24 by Swansea_Blue |
Good point. Horses are being ‘moved on’ all the time. To suggest it would only be an issue if racing was suddenly stopped is a bit misleading.
I’ve got no skin in this game though; the thread seems a bit of a predictable and classic TWTD arguing for the sake of it. |
No it isn't. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:03 - May 25 with 1829 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:03 - May 24 by NeedhamChris |
Here's a different question for you as might save a lot of effort.
If it were scientifically proven beyond doubt to cause any amount of pain - would you support a ban? |
Judging by the silence, think it's safe to say that neutrality of sources and horse welfare are two things you're not particularly bothered about. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:29 - May 25 with 1780 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:03 - May 25 by NeedhamChris |
Judging by the silence, think it's safe to say that neutrality of sources and horse welfare are two things you're not particularly bothered about. |
Naa I just decided this thread was clogging up the board, was probably annoying the majority having to see it at the top of page 1 every 10 minutes and most importantly, life’s too short.
Enjoy your day. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:30 - May 25 with 1671 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:29 - May 25 by The_Romford_Blue |
Naa I just decided this thread was clogging up the board, was probably annoying the majority having to see it at the top of page 1 every 10 minutes and most importantly, life’s too short.
Enjoy your day. |
That looks like a swerve Rommers old chap. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:31 - May 25 with 1670 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:13 - May 24 by The_Romford_Blue |
Thankyou for the constructive and fair reply. A rarity on this thread from the usual squad.
For what it’s worth, I actually think a peaceful off track protest as they do most years is fine. It’s not for me personally and I just walk by then but that’s a fair democratic right.
Going onto private property, going on the track and ruining the day for 150,000 people who’ve paid for something… that’s not ok.
If it was an Ipswich game these same people on here would be crying their eyes out. But it’s not something they like so it’s ok. Hypocrites |
An Ipswich game doesn't harm animals. Unless you're including some of the carthorses we've employed over the years. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:39 - May 25 with 1636 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 15:29 - May 25 by The_Romford_Blue |
Naa I just decided this thread was clogging up the board, was probably annoying the majority having to see it at the top of page 1 every 10 minutes and most importantly, life’s too short.
Enjoy your day. |
I asked a simple question - your desperate attempt to avoid answering is more of an answer than anything you've posted in this thread.
Anyway, hope those pesky protesters don't stop you profiting too much from the horses suffering. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:50 - May 25 with 1614 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:39 - May 25 by NeedhamChris |
I asked a simple question - your desperate attempt to avoid answering is more of an answer than anything you've posted in this thread.
Anyway, hope those pesky protesters don't stop you profiting too much from the horses suffering. |
You’re a proper tosser you.
I care more about the horses than you would ever know. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:54 - May 25 with 1591 views | Ryorry |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:39 - May 25 by NeedhamChris |
I asked a simple question - your desperate attempt to avoid answering is more of an answer than anything you've posted in this thread.
Anyway, hope those pesky protesters don't stop you profiting too much from the horses suffering. |
You seem relatively new around here.
If you'd done some research of your own, you'd have found that Rommers has posted at length on numerous previous occasions over the years on horse welfare, & obviously cares greatly about them (and other animals). [Post edited 25 May 2023 18:55]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:05 - May 25 with 1569 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:50 - May 25 by The_Romford_Blue |
You’re a proper tosser you.
I care more about the horses than you would ever know. |
If it were proven that horses felt any pain from whipping, would you support a ban? Yes or No?
That's all I've asked you - if seems surprisingly difficult for you to answer. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:15 - May 25 with 1532 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:54 - May 25 by Ryorry |
You seem relatively new around here.
If you'd done some research of your own, you'd have found that Rommers has posted at length on numerous previous occasions over the years on horse welfare, & obviously cares greatly about them (and other animals). [Post edited 25 May 2023 18:55]
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All I've seen is yourself and Rommy posting evidence from "impartial" evidence from those in the horse racing field supporting the horse racing field.
Why is it that the simple yes/no question is so difficult to answer. Would you support a ban if it were proven the horses felt any pain? | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:19 - May 25 with 1501 views | Ryorry |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:15 - May 25 by NeedhamChris |
All I've seen is yourself and Rommy posting evidence from "impartial" evidence from those in the horse racing field supporting the horse racing field.
Why is it that the simple yes/no question is so difficult to answer. Would you support a ban if it were proven the horses felt any pain? |
I gave up watching or betting on horseracing more than 3 years ago, so your ball's in the wrong court.
All you had to do, as you're so keen on research, was look back through Rommy's history with a couple of filters such as 'horse' and 'welfare'.
(And yes I would btw). [Post edited 25 May 2023 19:23]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:24 - May 25 with 1479 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:05 - May 25 by NeedhamChris |
If it were proven that horses felt any pain from whipping, would you support a ban? Yes or No?
That's all I've asked you - if seems surprisingly difficult for you to answer. |
Find me a bit of actual evidence for that and we will have that conversation. But seeing as you can’t as none exist and those with far more knowledge than yourself say it doesn’t, then the conversation is pointless as or you’re doing is trying to cause an argument. And nobody wants that. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:45 - May 25 with 1421 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:24 - May 25 by The_Romford_Blue |
Find me a bit of actual evidence for that and we will have that conversation. But seeing as you can’t as none exist and those with far more knowledge than yourself say it doesn’t, then the conversation is pointless as or you’re doing is trying to cause an argument. And nobody wants that. |
You've offered zero evidence that isn't from the horse racing industry or those affiliated to it. For someone that cares so much - you'd think this would bother you.
But you're right about one thing - this conversation is pointless. It's obvious to most that if your answer to that hypothetical question was yes then you'd have just said that. So instead you'll do enough to be seen to care unless it has any impact on you.
Coward. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:51 - May 25 with 1400 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:45 - May 25 by NeedhamChris |
You've offered zero evidence that isn't from the horse racing industry or those affiliated to it. For someone that cares so much - you'd think this would bother you.
But you're right about one thing - this conversation is pointless. It's obvious to most that if your answer to that hypothetical question was yes then you'd have just said that. So instead you'll do enough to be seen to care unless it has any impact on you.
Coward. |
Firstly, I’ve no idea who you think you are but you’re deeply unpleasant.
Secondly, you’re a clearly massively anti racing person so are bias. Which is fine. But you also have provided zero evidence that isn’t also hugely biased.
Thirdly, as has been explained to you, I’ve posted about racing on here for ten years, have posted in multiple 20 page welfare threads on here and been in and around dozens of racing yards. To suggest I am avoiding you (more because you’re an awful person and rude in all honesty) because I am unaware of how the industry works is laughable. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:55 - May 25 with 1376 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:51 - May 25 by The_Romford_Blue |
Firstly, I’ve no idea who you think you are but you’re deeply unpleasant.
Secondly, you’re a clearly massively anti racing person so are bias. Which is fine. But you also have provided zero evidence that isn’t also hugely biased.
Thirdly, as has been explained to you, I’ve posted about racing on here for ten years, have posted in multiple 20 page welfare threads on here and been in and around dozens of racing yards. To suggest I am avoiding you (more because you’re an awful person and rude in all honesty) because I am unaware of how the industry works is laughable. |
Then why is it so hard to say "if it hurt the horses at all then I'd support a ban"? | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 20:26 - May 25 with 1309 views | J2BLUE |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:55 - May 25 by NeedhamChris |
Then why is it so hard to say "if it hurt the horses at all then I'd support a ban"? |
I would support all of these: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/nov/04/five-ways-to-make-horse-racing-mor
Perhaps if you were less confrontational he would answer your question but you've been in attack mode since your first post in this thread. Usually when someone has such an obvious problem with one poster it's because they used to post under another name and have held on to the grudge. If that's not the case then your approach is not a good look. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 20:50 - May 25 with 1261 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 20:26 - May 25 by J2BLUE |
I would support all of these: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/nov/04/five-ways-to-make-horse-racing-mor
Perhaps if you were less confrontational he would answer your question but you've been in attack mode since your first post in this thread. Usually when someone has such an obvious problem with one poster it's because they used to post under another name and have held on to the grudge. If that's not the case then your approach is not a good look. |
I won’t pretend to care about his opinion when he’s so obviously clueless about so many things.
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 20:55 - May 25 with 1227 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 20:26 - May 25 by J2BLUE |
I would support all of these: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/nov/04/five-ways-to-make-horse-racing-mor
Perhaps if you were less confrontational he would answer your question but you've been in attack mode since your first post in this thread. Usually when someone has such an obvious problem with one poster it's because they used to post under another name and have held on to the grudge. If that's not the case then your approach is not a good look. |
My first four or five posts on this thread were at worst amicable. But Romfords argument style has turned into that of a primary school kid sticking their fingers in their ears. So since then yes, I've been more confrontational.
On the link you posted, that's a fair article and agree with those, that level of reform would make it a much more palatable prospect | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 20:56 - May 25 with 1222 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 20:50 - May 25 by The_Romford_Blue |
I won’t pretend to care about his opinion when he’s so obviously clueless about so many things.
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I've owned being wrong on that over and over again on here, but better to have an opinion that's wrong than hide away from giving one.
But again, swerve, swerve and more swerve. [Post edited 25 May 2023 20:56]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 21:15 - May 25 with 1167 views | eireblue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 20:26 - May 25 by J2BLUE |
I would support all of these: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/nov/04/five-ways-to-make-horse-racing-mor
Perhaps if you were less confrontational he would answer your question but you've been in attack mode since your first post in this thread. Usually when someone has such an obvious problem with one poster it's because they used to post under another name and have held on to the grudge. If that's not the case then your approach is not a good look. |
Of course the interesting thing about that article is the phrase “ that animal welfare organisations say”
For instance this statement
https://www.britishhorseracing.com/press_releases/british-horseracing-supports-i
Was made after the Panorama program that used the images capture by an animal rights organisation.
Reviews of whip use where as a result of concern expressed by people outside of the industry.
I am sure no one would complain if another act by an animal rights organisation lead to better welfare standards for horses. | | | |
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