| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week 04:57 - May 24 with 41940 views | The_Romford_Blue |
1,000 Animal Rising protesters turning up to ruin the Derby at Epsom. Track has applied for an injunction to ban them or they’ll ruin it but even if they get the injunction (unlikely I’d imagine), it’ll be a nightmare stopping them with Epsom’s course layout. Epsom, unlike Aintree, is an open track and getting on to ruin it will not be that difficult unfortunately. It’s part of a public footpath when racing isn’t on to the side of the course so can be accessed if people want to quite easily. They’ve specifically said today in writing and in a meeting with the course that they plan to turn up and ruin both days by sitting on the track.
So that’ll be another sporting event I’m in attendance that these tw*ts ruin. That’s if I even get there with the now added train strike announced conveniently three days ago. Two days off work, train tickets, race day tickets at £140 a pop per day and it’ll probably end up cancelled anyway because it’s 2023 and nothing I like doing goes without someone sitting in the way trying to ruin it.
I doubt TWTD is the place to moan about this though as, like with the Snooker World Championship last month, the racing isn’t something the majority on here enjoy so it’s ok. They’ll no doubt target a town game soon just to really make me despise them. Protest for protest sake. There’s always something someone somewhere disagrees with and will then protest about and attempt to ruin.
What a depressing time to be a human being. [Post edited 24 May 2023 5:03]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 17:34 - May 26 with 1703 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 17:22 - May 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Yep, that puts her at over 14 stone.
And the horses were doing 5mph less than he suggested.
Rommers likes to exaggerate to strengthen his argument, it seems. |
I was wrong about the weight. I’m not at all good with pounds and ounces and all that. But yes I concede that would be wrong.
As for the speed, 35mph suggests that was a slowly run renewal. Don’t know the runners in it but for a derby, they’d usually go quick from the top of the hill after the climb. Can imagine with that being a smaller field than usual, they’ve gone slow early, quickened at the bottom of Tattenham corner and it’s turned into a sprint.
A standard derby would have them doing 40mph at that stage of the race. Certainly the huge majority of he derbys in my lifetime as someone who’s attended lots of them. So whilst I’m incorrect here (so Wikipedia says), I wasn’t purposely exaggerating for affect but just going by the norm. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 17:42 - May 26 with 1678 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 17:34 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
I was wrong about the weight. I’m not at all good with pounds and ounces and all that. But yes I concede that would be wrong.
As for the speed, 35mph suggests that was a slowly run renewal. Don’t know the runners in it but for a derby, they’d usually go quick from the top of the hill after the climb. Can imagine with that being a smaller field than usual, they’ve gone slow early, quickened at the bottom of Tattenham corner and it’s turned into a sprint.
A standard derby would have them doing 40mph at that stage of the race. Certainly the huge majority of he derbys in my lifetime as someone who’s attended lots of them. So whilst I’m incorrect here (so Wikipedia says), I wasn’t purposely exaggerating for affect but just going by the norm. |
Fair enough, it was 110 years ago so things may well be different now (even better care of horses/better nutrition could account for it being slower, or maybe better course care now).
What about the bit where they've scientifically evaluated her motives and they believe her to have been trying to attach a flag to the horse rather than trying to kill it? |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 17:50 - May 26 with 1660 views | J2BLUE |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:27 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
And if they do, I hope they are jailed in all honesty. |
I would imagine they will be. They have made a public statement about a possible injunction so they were aware of it. I doubt they will pass up the opportunity to make another statement now it's been granted.
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:04 - May 26 with 1632 views | bluelagos |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 17:42 - May 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Fair enough, it was 110 years ago so things may well be different now (even better care of horses/better nutrition could account for it being slower, or maybe better course care now).
What about the bit where they've scientifically evaluated her motives and they believe her to have been trying to attach a flag to the horse rather than trying to kill it? |
Yep, a lot has changed in 110 years, they even let women vote now. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:19 - May 26 with 1611 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 17:42 - May 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Fair enough, it was 110 years ago so things may well be different now (even better care of horses/better nutrition could account for it being slower, or maybe better course care now).
What about the bit where they've scientifically evaluated her motives and they believe her to have been trying to attach a flag to the horse rather than trying to kill it? |
I never said she was trying to kill it.
I’m saying she knew it was a real possibility and decided her protesting was more important than the life of the horse | |
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| Two of my horses were retired…. on 18:31 - May 26 with 1586 views | Bloots |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:50 - May 26 by NeedhamChris |
What about those that are bred for the industry but are deemed not good enough? |
….from racing because they were basically crap at it.
One was retrained as a 3 day eventer and the other for dressage competition.
If they are unable to do any form of competition at all (which is incredibly rare) then they are rehomed at private homes or at riding schools.
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:32 - May 26 with 1585 views | bluelagos |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:19 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
I never said she was trying to kill it.
I’m saying she knew it was a real possibility and decided her protesting was more important than the life of the horse |
Yep, and I don't think that's an unreasonable proposition tbh, her wanting women to be treated as an equal member of society.
Given neither of us has ever been subjected to a society where we were denied a voice I think it's incredibly blinkered to judge her for how she chose to protest to gain rights that were denied her. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:33 - May 26 with 1584 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:19 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
I never said she was trying to kill it.
I’m saying she knew it was a real possibility and decided her protesting was more important than the life of the horse |
Found what you posted as wanted to be sure of your exact words.
From page 5:
"Davidson chose a flat race, the fastest horses running that day and chose the fastest bit of the track (Tattenham corner famously downhill) to cause the most damage. My issue with her is that she made that decision knowing it was definitely more likely than not that the horse would also be killed."
So you are very, very close to suggesting she was trying to kill it.
The evidence I've presented says she was most likely trying to put a flag on the king's horse, not "cause the most damage."
And she didn't make that decision "knowing it was definitely more likely than not that the horse would also be killed." Nobody would know that, or even think that likely, and indeed both jockey and horse rode 2 weeks later. It wasn't even injured let alone close to being killed. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:36 - May 26 with 1579 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:32 - May 26 by bluelagos |
Yep, and I don't think that's an unreasonable proposition tbh, her wanting women to be treated as an equal member of society.
Given neither of us has ever been subjected to a society where we were denied a voice I think it's incredibly blinkered to judge her for how she chose to protest to gain rights that were denied her. |
She didn't even decide her protesting was more important than the life of the horse. I imagine she had no thought that the horse might die. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:08 - May 26 with 1541 views | MattinLondon |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:36 - May 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
She didn't even decide her protesting was more important than the life of the horse. I imagine she had no thought that the horse might die. |
After a quick google search I found it rather interesting that reports (at the time) surrounding her death tended to focus on the wellbeing of the King's horse, and the jockey who was in control of the horse, rather than Emily’s death itself. Some called her an irresponsible anarchist, and others said her death was not an act of sacrifice but one of suicide.
So back then the mainstream media was more concerned with a horse and race rather than the message that the protester was trying to spread (but to no avail) before this act. Possibly a bit like how the mainstream media are reporting Climate Change protestors at Epsom. Possibly history will judge them in the wrong (again). |  | | |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:51 - May 26 with 1480 views | noggin |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 18:19 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
I never said she was trying to kill it.
I’m saying she knew it was a real possibility and decided her protesting was more important than the life of the horse |
Surely every Grand National jockey, trainer and owner enters the race knowing there's a chance that the horse will die. Isn't that just as selfish? |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:19 - May 27 with 1327 views | eireblue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:51 - May 26 by noggin |
Surely every Grand National jockey, trainer and owner enters the race knowing there's a chance that the horse will die. Isn't that just as selfish? |
This is why I think I was along the right lines with the Gladiator analogy.
As we know humans sometimes have a fight response to danger, we see many humans in the wild enjoying a good rumble.
So we grab random race-horsing fans, put them up in some accommodation, feed them, train them, then oh I don’t know, put 10 or 20 in a stadium, and ask them to fight. Last one standing wins.
Some of the contestants, may need some encouragement, not sure what, just be something scary enough to chivy people along to fight as hard as they can, almost to and sometimes past the point of having a heart attack in some circumstances.
I really can’t see the problem, of course, a small percentage may die, but you know, it was acceptable back then, and seems to be acceptable now for some mammals.
I really can’t see why any race goer would object, if they are lucky enough to be selected. |  | | |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:59 - May 27 with 1302 views | Darth_Koont |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 19:51 - May 26 by noggin |
Surely every Grand National jockey, trainer and owner enters the race knowing there's a chance that the horse will die. Isn't that just as selfish? |
That’s different.
Why? Because. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:10 - May 27 with 1272 views | GlasgowBlue |
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That’s different.
Why? Because. |
Every driver knows when they start their engine that they could well die, along with their passengers . That is different than getting in a car and driving recklessly, putting your own life and the lives of your passengers at risk.
So yes, there is a difference. Even though I dint agree with every point made by those in favour of horse racing.
People are just trying to micro manage every word Rommy is posting. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:21 - May 27 with 1257 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:10 - May 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Every driver knows when they start their engine that they could well die, along with their passengers . That is different than getting in a car and driving recklessly, putting your own life and the lives of your passengers at risk.
So yes, there is a difference. Even though I dint agree with every point made by those in favour of horse racing.
People are just trying to micro manage every word Rommy is posting. |
The analogy doesn't work, the protestors are looking to protest, not put their's or others lives at risk.
No-one's micro-managing Rommers. His arguments are full of holes and so people are pointing them out. I don't want to attack him, I want him to reflect on what he's doing (and what he's saying in his OP).
As Herbs said earlier, Rommers seems to only care about stuff and people who are close to him. The protestors (and others in this thread) are caring about a bigger picture.
Rommers might not agree with it, or may agree with it and want to bury it, but i hope he at least reflects on it. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:32 - May 27 with 1240 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:21 - May 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The analogy doesn't work, the protestors are looking to protest, not put their's or others lives at risk.
No-one's micro-managing Rommers. His arguments are full of holes and so people are pointing them out. I don't want to attack him, I want him to reflect on what he's doing (and what he's saying in his OP).
As Herbs said earlier, Rommers seems to only care about stuff and people who are close to him. The protestors (and others in this thread) are caring about a bigger picture.
Rommers might not agree with it, or may agree with it and want to bury it, but i hope he at least reflects on it. |
I didn’t mention protesters. I was replying to noggin’s statement that every jockey, owner and trainer knows that their horse may die when racing. That is completely different to somebody deliberately putting a horse at risk. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:48 - May 27 with 1230 views | J2BLUE |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:19 - May 27 by eireblue |
This is why I think I was along the right lines with the Gladiator analogy.
As we know humans sometimes have a fight response to danger, we see many humans in the wild enjoying a good rumble.
So we grab random race-horsing fans, put them up in some accommodation, feed them, train them, then oh I don’t know, put 10 or 20 in a stadium, and ask them to fight. Last one standing wins.
Some of the contestants, may need some encouragement, not sure what, just be something scary enough to chivy people along to fight as hard as they can, almost to and sometimes past the point of having a heart attack in some circumstances.
I really can’t see the problem, of course, a small percentage may die, but you know, it was acceptable back then, and seems to be acceptable now for some mammals.
I really can’t see why any race goer would object, if they are lucky enough to be selected. |
Well played.
Definitely makes you think. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:57 - May 27 with 1226 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
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I didn’t mention protesters. I was replying to noggin’s statement that every jockey, owner and trainer knows that their horse may die when racing. That is completely different to somebody deliberately putting a horse at risk. |
Yes but noggin was replying to Rommers suggesting Emily Davison "decided her protesting was more important than the life of the horse." The discussion is protestors vs the horse racing community.
If you're not referring to protestors deliberately putting a horse at risk then who are you referring to? If no-one then you've somewhat missed the point. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:02 - May 27 with 1218 views | J2BLUE |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:57 - May 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Yes but noggin was replying to Rommers suggesting Emily Davison "decided her protesting was more important than the life of the horse." The discussion is protestors vs the horse racing community.
If you're not referring to protestors deliberately putting a horse at risk then who are you referring to? If no-one then you've somewhat missed the point. |
Surely the Emily Davison thing needs a bit of balance. The fact the horse was not injured doesn't mean very much. I have no doubt she would rather have not hurt the horse but isn't a broken leg for a horse almost impossible to recover from? When she was planning this action she must have considered that it would hurt the horse in some way.
I am just making a point, not making any claim about the rights and wrongs of her protest.
Back on subject, the horse legs thing does make jumps racing seem increasingly unethical. I would definitely be open to reform where jumps racing was banned and races were capped at a maximum length. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:03 - May 27 with 1220 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:21 - May 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The analogy doesn't work, the protestors are looking to protest, not put their's or others lives at risk.
No-one's micro-managing Rommers. His arguments are full of holes and so people are pointing them out. I don't want to attack him, I want him to reflect on what he's doing (and what he's saying in his OP).
As Herbs said earlier, Rommers seems to only care about stuff and people who are close to him. The protestors (and others in this thread) are caring about a bigger picture.
Rommers might not agree with it, or may agree with it and want to bury it, but i hope he at least reflects on it. |
I’ll tell you what is getting on my tits now, this whole sh*t about how I only care about my people and interests. The implied comments that I’m selfish.
I got slated on here for saying I didn’t care about politics 10 years ago so went off and learnt and understood it. I got slated on here once for spending an entire weekend trying to save an injured pigeon in my garden. I’ve messaged dozens of posters on here after they say they’ve got an issue (whether that be mentally or physically) offering advice and support. I messaged a poster my own experience about Trich. I care about people I’ll never meet that society sh*ts on everyday. I regularly tip the girls in the betting shop I visit £40 a time because I know the sort of wage they’re on. I care about right and wrong. I’m not a bad person and you have no right whatsoever to judge from your high horse.
Because I disagree with you and Herbs about a subject gives you no right whatsoever to think you know me. Neither of you have met me in real life nor ever will meet me in real life. You don’t know me. [Post edited 27 May 2023 12:08]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:09 - May 27 with 1197 views | GlasgowBlue |
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Yes but noggin was replying to Rommers suggesting Emily Davison "decided her protesting was more important than the life of the horse." The discussion is protestors vs the horse racing community.
If you're not referring to protestors deliberately putting a horse at risk then who are you referring to? If no-one then you've somewhat missed the point. |
The OP was about the stop oil protesters, who aren't putting horses at risk. Regardless of the moral right that Emily Davison was protesting about, her actions could have put the horse at risk. So Rommy is correct with that statement.
Noggin's reply was that every owner, trainer and Jockey is aware that their horse may die racing.
Noggin is also correct. There will always be a chance of a horse dying at a race.
But the two are not comparable as I made clear in my own analogy. Emily Davison is adding extra jeopardy.
I have no skin in this game and simply made my point. I have no wish to bat this one back and forwards. You will call that a swerve. but I see no point in making the same point over and over again. I've made it, feel free to disagree with it. [Post edited 27 May 2023 12:13]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:10 - May 27 with 1197 views | Herbivore |
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No it’s not per race, it’s per career.
So the rest retire |
That figure of 2 horses per 1000 is based on starts, not on their entire career: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2020/jan/17/talking-horses-drop-in-fatali
That means that a horse running 20 races over its career has a 4% chance of dying on the track, or 1 in 25. That is just those who die racing, figures for race horses who are put down after sustaining injuries away from the track are hard to come by. It's not hard to see why people are protesting against horse racing. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:11 - May 27 with 1197 views | Ryorry |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:03 - May 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’ll tell you what is getting on my tits now, this whole sh*t about how I only care about my people and interests. The implied comments that I’m selfish.
I got slated on here for saying I didn’t care about politics 10 years ago so went off and learnt and understood it. I got slated on here once for spending an entire weekend trying to save an injured pigeon in my garden. I’ve messaged dozens of posters on here after they say they’ve got an issue (whether that be mentally or physically) offering advice and support. I messaged a poster my own experience about Trich. I care about people I’ll never meet that society sh*ts on everyday. I regularly tip the girls in the betting shop I visit £40 a time because I know the sort of wage they’re on. I care about right and wrong. I’m not a bad person and you have no right whatsoever to judge from your high horse.
Because I disagree with you and Herbs about a subject gives you no right whatsoever to think you know me. Neither of you have met me in real life nor ever will meet me in real life. You don’t know me. [Post edited 27 May 2023 12:08]
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A couple of "antis" on here don't seem to realise they're doing the serious cause of animal welfare no favours by a) getting personal and b )putting up ludicrous analogies like Roman gladitorial combat (in which one competitor* has* to die, ie a 50% death rate, to satisfy the Emperor - as I'm sure you remember, Eire. [Post edited 27 May 2023 12:14]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:31 - May 27 with 1177 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
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Surely the Emily Davison thing needs a bit of balance. The fact the horse was not injured doesn't mean very much. I have no doubt she would rather have not hurt the horse but isn't a broken leg for a horse almost impossible to recover from? When she was planning this action she must have considered that it would hurt the horse in some way.
I am just making a point, not making any claim about the rights and wrongs of her protest.
Back on subject, the horse legs thing does make jumps racing seem increasingly unethical. I would definitely be open to reform where jumps racing was banned and races were capped at a maximum length. |
"When she was planning this action she must have considered that it would hurt the horse in some way."
Not necessarily. A woman, let's say 8-10 stone, running in front of a big old horse, upwards of 80 stone?! If I were her I'd be thinking I might get hurt. I wouldn't be expecting the horse to get hurt so much. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:32 - May 27 with 1174 views | J2BLUE |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:31 - May 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"When she was planning this action she must have considered that it would hurt the horse in some way."
Not necessarily. A woman, let's say 8-10 stone, running in front of a big old horse, upwards of 80 stone?! If I were her I'd be thinking I might get hurt. I wouldn't be expecting the horse to get hurt so much. |
80 stone? What?
Edit: Holy sh1t, never knew that. [Post edited 27 May 2023 12:34]
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