| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week 04:57 - May 24 with 41954 views | The_Romford_Blue |
1,000 Animal Rising protesters turning up to ruin the Derby at Epsom. Track has applied for an injunction to ban them or they’ll ruin it but even if they get the injunction (unlikely I’d imagine), it’ll be a nightmare stopping them with Epsom’s course layout. Epsom, unlike Aintree, is an open track and getting on to ruin it will not be that difficult unfortunately. It’s part of a public footpath when racing isn’t on to the side of the course so can be accessed if people want to quite easily. They’ve specifically said today in writing and in a meeting with the course that they plan to turn up and ruin both days by sitting on the track.
So that’ll be another sporting event I’m in attendance that these tw*ts ruin. That’s if I even get there with the now added train strike announced conveniently three days ago. Two days off work, train tickets, race day tickets at £140 a pop per day and it’ll probably end up cancelled anyway because it’s 2023 and nothing I like doing goes without someone sitting in the way trying to ruin it.
I doubt TWTD is the place to moan about this though as, like with the Snooker World Championship last month, the racing isn’t something the majority on here enjoy so it’s ok. They’ll no doubt target a town game soon just to really make me despise them. Protest for protest sake. There’s always something someone somewhere disagrees with and will then protest about and attempt to ruin.
What a depressing time to be a human being. [Post edited 24 May 2023 5:03]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 08:44 - May 29 with 2184 views | DJR |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 22:18 - May 28 by The_Romford_Blue |
Cheers. Have been told my best bet is either that or a train to Croydon and an Uber from there.
I like your Morden shout and then Uber from the station.
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Morden is nearer, and I am not sure there will be any trains to Croydon.
And if you struggle for an Uber on the way back with all the crowds, the 293 bus gives another option.
The upside for you is that the protesters may struggle to get there too. [Post edited 29 May 2023 8:44]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 02:50 - Jun 1 with 2017 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Animal Rising Spokesman Nathan McGovern - "I have no doubt pretty much everyone who works in the industry loves the horses," said McGovern. "For us, it's not an animal welfare issue. It's not specifically anti-horse racing. We have been very public in saying there is an intention to cause the Derby to be delayed or cancelled, with the ultimate goal being to bring the spotlight on what we would call our broken relationship with animals in the natural world."
‘The thoroughbred would not exist were if not for the racing industry.’
‘Asked if it would not be regrettable if the thoroughbred breed ceased to exist, McGovern said: "You could say that, but pugs are wonderful, beautiful, adorable dogs, yet they have been bred over time to have those features for us to enjoy at the cost of their quality of life because their breathing systems get destroyed.
"I think there is a similar argument to be made about the thoroughbred. Many of the reasons the thoroughbreds have their temperament is they have been specifically bred to run as fast as they possibly can." McGovern also denied losing the thoroughbred would be a sacrifice, arguing: "To look at it as a sacrifice would imply there is something that is ours to sacrifice."
All of that from here today:
https://www.racingpost.com/news/festivals/derby-festival/animal-rising-admits-a-
This is the first time they’ve outright said they know that racing for them isn’t a welfare issue. And that it’s just that in their ideal world, thoroughbreds and pugs do not exist as they were bred by humans for a purpose. But now he’s said that the end of racing will mean the breed becomes extinct, does that change anyone’s views here? Whilst this is not a shock to me, I’m interested in TWTDs thoughts here. No need for snipes and vicious attacks at me though please. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 07:36 - Jun 1 with 1956 views | Herbivore |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 02:50 - Jun 1 by The_Romford_Blue |
Animal Rising Spokesman Nathan McGovern - "I have no doubt pretty much everyone who works in the industry loves the horses," said McGovern. "For us, it's not an animal welfare issue. It's not specifically anti-horse racing. We have been very public in saying there is an intention to cause the Derby to be delayed or cancelled, with the ultimate goal being to bring the spotlight on what we would call our broken relationship with animals in the natural world."
‘The thoroughbred would not exist were if not for the racing industry.’
‘Asked if it would not be regrettable if the thoroughbred breed ceased to exist, McGovern said: "You could say that, but pugs are wonderful, beautiful, adorable dogs, yet they have been bred over time to have those features for us to enjoy at the cost of their quality of life because their breathing systems get destroyed.
"I think there is a similar argument to be made about the thoroughbred. Many of the reasons the thoroughbreds have their temperament is they have been specifically bred to run as fast as they possibly can." McGovern also denied losing the thoroughbred would be a sacrifice, arguing: "To look at it as a sacrifice would imply there is something that is ours to sacrifice."
All of that from here today:
https://www.racingpost.com/news/festivals/derby-festival/animal-rising-admits-a-
This is the first time they’ve outright said they know that racing for them isn’t a welfare issue. And that it’s just that in their ideal world, thoroughbreds and pugs do not exist as they were bred by humans for a purpose. But now he’s said that the end of racing will mean the breed becomes extinct, does that change anyone’s views here? Whilst this is not a shock to me, I’m interested in TWTDs thoughts here. No need for snipes and vicious attacks at me though please. |
No, I still think horse racing should be banned. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 08:11 - Jun 1 with 1924 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 02:50 - Jun 1 by The_Romford_Blue |
Animal Rising Spokesman Nathan McGovern - "I have no doubt pretty much everyone who works in the industry loves the horses," said McGovern. "For us, it's not an animal welfare issue. It's not specifically anti-horse racing. We have been very public in saying there is an intention to cause the Derby to be delayed or cancelled, with the ultimate goal being to bring the spotlight on what we would call our broken relationship with animals in the natural world."
‘The thoroughbred would not exist were if not for the racing industry.’
‘Asked if it would not be regrettable if the thoroughbred breed ceased to exist, McGovern said: "You could say that, but pugs are wonderful, beautiful, adorable dogs, yet they have been bred over time to have those features for us to enjoy at the cost of their quality of life because their breathing systems get destroyed.
"I think there is a similar argument to be made about the thoroughbred. Many of the reasons the thoroughbreds have their temperament is they have been specifically bred to run as fast as they possibly can." McGovern also denied losing the thoroughbred would be a sacrifice, arguing: "To look at it as a sacrifice would imply there is something that is ours to sacrifice."
All of that from here today:
https://www.racingpost.com/news/festivals/derby-festival/animal-rising-admits-a-
This is the first time they’ve outright said they know that racing for them isn’t a welfare issue. And that it’s just that in their ideal world, thoroughbreds and pugs do not exist as they were bred by humans for a purpose. But now he’s said that the end of racing will mean the breed becomes extinct, does that change anyone’s views here? Whilst this is not a shock to me, I’m interested in TWTDs thoughts here. No need for snipes and vicious attacks at me though please. |
No problem whatsoever and a whole lot less cows too would be good. These however are a different matter and require a new economic model....
https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/directory?direction=desc&sort=extincti |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 09:55 - Jun 1 with 1855 views | Ryorry |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 02:50 - Jun 1 by The_Romford_Blue |
Animal Rising Spokesman Nathan McGovern - "I have no doubt pretty much everyone who works in the industry loves the horses," said McGovern. "For us, it's not an animal welfare issue. It's not specifically anti-horse racing. We have been very public in saying there is an intention to cause the Derby to be delayed or cancelled, with the ultimate goal being to bring the spotlight on what we would call our broken relationship with animals in the natural world."
‘The thoroughbred would not exist were if not for the racing industry.’
‘Asked if it would not be regrettable if the thoroughbred breed ceased to exist, McGovern said: "You could say that, but pugs are wonderful, beautiful, adorable dogs, yet they have been bred over time to have those features for us to enjoy at the cost of their quality of life because their breathing systems get destroyed.
"I think there is a similar argument to be made about the thoroughbred. Many of the reasons the thoroughbreds have their temperament is they have been specifically bred to run as fast as they possibly can." McGovern also denied losing the thoroughbred would be a sacrifice, arguing: "To look at it as a sacrifice would imply there is something that is ours to sacrifice."
All of that from here today:
https://www.racingpost.com/news/festivals/derby-festival/animal-rising-admits-a-
This is the first time they’ve outright said they know that racing for them isn’t a welfare issue. And that it’s just that in their ideal world, thoroughbreds and pugs do not exist as they were bred by humans for a purpose. But now he’s said that the end of racing will mean the breed becomes extinct, does that change anyone’s views here? Whilst this is not a shock to me, I’m interested in TWTDs thoughts here. No need for snipes and vicious attacks at me though please. |
I’d have thought it a minimum requirement that an organisation saying that they want to protect animals should at least have some knowledge and understanding of those animals. Focussing on the *temperament* of thoroughbreds is ridiculous; they’re little different from other horses in that respect, particularly when you compare them with the Arab breed, quite commonly used as riding horses in the UK.
I f they’d focussed on Thorouhbreds’ notoriously fine legs and hooves being vulnerable, that would have been legitimate.
Comparing TBs with the pug breed, which has several dozen serious medical issues, many caused by inbreeding (which is simply not an issue with TBs) is even more ridiculous. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:04 - Jun 1 with 1840 views | Darth_Koont |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 09:55 - Jun 1 by Ryorry |
I’d have thought it a minimum requirement that an organisation saying that they want to protect animals should at least have some knowledge and understanding of those animals. Focussing on the *temperament* of thoroughbreds is ridiculous; they’re little different from other horses in that respect, particularly when you compare them with the Arab breed, quite commonly used as riding horses in the UK.
I f they’d focussed on Thorouhbreds’ notoriously fine legs and hooves being vulnerable, that would have been legitimate.
Comparing TBs with the pug breed, which has several dozen serious medical issues, many caused by inbreeding (which is simply not an issue with TBs) is even more ridiculous. |
But they’re right re: “the ultimate goal being to bring the spotlight on what we would call our broken relationship with animals in the natural world.”
Breeding animals to maximize their utility to humans is something we need to stop doing. And you can see that mindset everywhere in how we have been ignoring or at least grossly undervaluing the natural world on its own natural terms. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:07 - Jun 1 with 1820 views | Ryorry |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:04 - Jun 1 by Darth_Koont |
But they’re right re: “the ultimate goal being to bring the spotlight on what we would call our broken relationship with animals in the natural world.”
Breeding animals to maximize their utility to humans is something we need to stop doing. And you can see that mindset everywhere in how we have been ignoring or at least grossly undervaluing the natural world on its own natural terms. |
Yes, totally agree with you on that. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:10 - Jun 1 with 1805 views | GeoffSentence |
Were there any protests in the end? |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:40 - Jun 1 with 1761 views | itfcjoe |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:19 - May 27 by NeedhamChris |
I think it's your turn to be argumentative :)
I didn't say he benefits from giving them a tip. I'm saying the kindness is aimed at something he benefits from (the betting industry).
Do you think the reason he tips the betting shop girls but not the staff at Tesco or anywhere else is because they're the best, or because he doesn't profit from Tesco. |
The protestors benefit from protesting, none of what anyone does is totally altruistic - they do it for a variety of reasons and a lot will be looking good to their tribe |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:53 - Jun 1 with 1737 views | Darth_Koont |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:40 - Jun 1 by itfcjoe |
The protestors benefit from protesting, none of what anyone does is totally altruistic - they do it for a variety of reasons and a lot will be looking good to their tribe |
Bit reductive and unfair.
Unless you also apply that to the people who are against them or who just don’t care either way. That’s also about their tribe, right?
We have to be much more objective than that. And I see few objective arguments against the protesters for their cause or how they go about protesting after the “acceptable” protests up to now have clearly fallen on too many deaf ears. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:03 - Jun 1 with 1711 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:40 - Jun 1 by itfcjoe |
The protestors benefit from protesting, none of what anyone does is totally altruistic - they do it for a variety of reasons and a lot will be looking good to their tribe |
Get the impression that there quite a few who simply protest for protests sake irrespective of the cause. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:15 - Jun 1 with 1695 views | Ryorry |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:53 - Jun 1 by Darth_Koont |
Bit reductive and unfair.
Unless you also apply that to the people who are against them or who just don’t care either way. That’s also about their tribe, right?
We have to be much more objective than that. And I see few objective arguments against the protesters for their cause or how they go about protesting after the “acceptable” protests up to now have clearly fallen on too many deaf ears. |
If the protesters show that they don’t know what they’re talking about though, as the spokesman did above by using TBs’ temperament as the issue, then they just look like ignorant fools - which does their cause no favours at all. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:16 - Jun 1 with 1691 views | itfcjoe |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 10:53 - Jun 1 by Darth_Koont |
Bit reductive and unfair.
Unless you also apply that to the people who are against them or who just don’t care either way. That’s also about their tribe, right?
We have to be much more objective than that. And I see few objective arguments against the protesters for their cause or how they go about protesting after the “acceptable” protests up to now have clearly fallen on too many deaf ears. |
I'd apply it both ways, but not for the "don't care either way lot" unless they are the people that have to tell everyone at every opportunity they don't care....
I find it very difficult to know what to think on it - I do generally agree with parts of the message, I find the language used about the 'future of the planet' very OTT and not helpful, I would find the protests very annoying if they majorly inconvenienced me, but also I do feel they are p155ing in the wind somewhat with what we can do as a nation here, but think we need to take more steps (and realistically what the next Govt have set out will help - but again is p155ing in the wind somewhat)
But in the same way there is a clear and obvious grift on the right (and not always about money, but status, etc) around conspiracy theories and anti-woke culture and you can't step out of line of it - the same happens on these areas on the flip side. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:18 - Jun 1 with 1685 views | Herbivore |
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The protestors benefit from protesting, none of what anyone does is totally altruistic - they do it for a variety of reasons and a lot will be looking good to their tribe |
You think people protest and risk arrest so that they look good to their fellow protestors? That sounds like a load of made up nonsense. [Post edited 1 Jun 2023 11:19]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:28 - Jun 1 with 1654 views | J2BLUE |
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Get the impression that there quite a few who simply protest for protests sake irrespective of the cause. |
Definitely. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:35 - Jun 1 with 1640 views | Darth_Koont |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:16 - Jun 1 by itfcjoe |
I'd apply it both ways, but not for the "don't care either way lot" unless they are the people that have to tell everyone at every opportunity they don't care....
I find it very difficult to know what to think on it - I do generally agree with parts of the message, I find the language used about the 'future of the planet' very OTT and not helpful, I would find the protests very annoying if they majorly inconvenienced me, but also I do feel they are p155ing in the wind somewhat with what we can do as a nation here, but think we need to take more steps (and realistically what the next Govt have set out will help - but again is p155ing in the wind somewhat)
But in the same way there is a clear and obvious grift on the right (and not always about money, but status, etc) around conspiracy theories and anti-woke culture and you can't step out of line of it - the same happens on these areas on the flip side. |
Right-wing grifters into anti-woke posturing and conspiracy theories aren’t the flip side. That’s a false and entirely misleading equivalence – and a complete cop out.
Judge the protesters on the factual evidence that supports a) their views and b) the need for us to take those views seriously. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:36 - Jun 1 with 1638 views | itfcjoe |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:18 - Jun 1 by Herbivore |
You think people protest and risk arrest so that they look good to their fellow protestors? That sounds like a load of made up nonsense. [Post edited 1 Jun 2023 11:19]
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A lot of it is performance | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:44 - Jun 1 with 1620 views | eireblue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:36 - Jun 1 by itfcjoe |
A lot of it is performance |
What percentage? Verifiable evidence.
A lot of football fans just go for the drunken aggro. Isn’t that as true as your statement. |  | | |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:47 - Jun 1 with 1616 views | eireblue |
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No, I still think horse racing should be banned. |
I think many people simple do not agree with Animal Rights principles, which using the fewest words possible in this case is, equal consideration for mammals, for anybody else interested.
Which is of course why using analogies, and seeing reactions to them quite interesting.
Foals, puppies and lambs are all treated differently.
Rewinding all racecourses, now that would be an interesting idea. | | | |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:55 - Jun 1 with 1604 views | Herbivore |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:03 - Jun 1 by Pinewoodblue |
Get the impression that there quite a few who simply protest for protests sake irrespective of the cause. |
Yes, pretty sure I saw some XR folk in with the far right protestors who were 'protecting the statues' a few years back. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:57 - Jun 1 with 1601 views | Herbivore |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:36 - Jun 1 by itfcjoe |
A lot of it is performance |
Okay cool, you've made a compelling argument there. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:11 - Jun 1 with 1571 views | itfcjoe |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:44 - Jun 1 by eireblue |
What percentage? Verifiable evidence.
A lot of football fans just go for the drunken aggro. Isn’t that as true as your statement. |
Yes, that is also true though so what's your point? | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:14 - Jun 1 with 1561 views | Ryorry |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:47 - Jun 1 by eireblue |
I think many people simple do not agree with Animal Rights principles, which using the fewest words possible in this case is, equal consideration for mammals, for anybody else interested.
Which is of course why using analogies, and seeing reactions to them quite interesting.
Foals, puppies and lambs are all treated differently.
Rewinding all racecourses, now that would be an interesting idea. |
I've certainly never seen animal rights campaigners protesting against millions of mice & rats being killed annually by people putting down poison. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:19 - Jun 1 with 1522 views | itfcjoe |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:57 - Jun 1 by Herbivore |
Okay cool, you've made a compelling argument there. |
No one does anything now, in that sphere, without the thought of how does this look to a potential audience as everything is content now.
Everyone does what they do for a variety of reasons | |
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