| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week 04:57 - May 24 with 41953 views | The_Romford_Blue |
1,000 Animal Rising protesters turning up to ruin the Derby at Epsom. Track has applied for an injunction to ban them or they’ll ruin it but even if they get the injunction (unlikely I’d imagine), it’ll be a nightmare stopping them with Epsom’s course layout. Epsom, unlike Aintree, is an open track and getting on to ruin it will not be that difficult unfortunately. It’s part of a public footpath when racing isn’t on to the side of the course so can be accessed if people want to quite easily. They’ve specifically said today in writing and in a meeting with the course that they plan to turn up and ruin both days by sitting on the track.
So that’ll be another sporting event I’m in attendance that these tw*ts ruin. That’s if I even get there with the now added train strike announced conveniently three days ago. Two days off work, train tickets, race day tickets at £140 a pop per day and it’ll probably end up cancelled anyway because it’s 2023 and nothing I like doing goes without someone sitting in the way trying to ruin it.
I doubt TWTD is the place to moan about this though as, like with the Snooker World Championship last month, the racing isn’t something the majority on here enjoy so it’s ok. They’ll no doubt target a town game soon just to really make me despise them. Protest for protest sake. There’s always something someone somewhere disagrees with and will then protest about and attempt to ruin.
What a depressing time to be a human being. [Post edited 24 May 2023 5:03]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:35 - May 27 with 1976 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 11:32 - May 27 by GlasgowBlue |
I didn’t mention protesters. I was replying to noggin’s statement that every jockey, owner and trainer knows that their horse may die when racing. That is completely different to somebody deliberately putting a horse at risk. |
Hmmmmm!!
I wonder what odds J2 is offering on the chances of a horse being injured/killed during a protest designed to stop a race from happening compared to the chances on an average race day. I imagine such an outcome is much less likely if the race is avoided. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:37 - May 27 with 1974 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:03 - May 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’ll tell you what is getting on my tits now, this whole sh*t about how I only care about my people and interests. The implied comments that I’m selfish.
I got slated on here for saying I didn’t care about politics 10 years ago so went off and learnt and understood it. I got slated on here once for spending an entire weekend trying to save an injured pigeon in my garden. I’ve messaged dozens of posters on here after they say they’ve got an issue (whether that be mentally or physically) offering advice and support. I messaged a poster my own experience about Trich. I care about people I’ll never meet that society sh*ts on everyday. I regularly tip the girls in the betting shop I visit £40 a time because I know the sort of wage they’re on. I care about right and wrong. I’m not a bad person and you have no right whatsoever to judge from your high horse.
Because I disagree with you and Herbs about a subject gives you no right whatsoever to think you know me. Neither of you have met me in real life nor ever will meet me in real life. You don’t know me. [Post edited 27 May 2023 12:08]
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It's a good and fair point Rommers, especially appreciate the "high horse" bit. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:39 - May 27 with 1973 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:03 - May 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’ll tell you what is getting on my tits now, this whole sh*t about how I only care about my people and interests. The implied comments that I’m selfish.
I got slated on here for saying I didn’t care about politics 10 years ago so went off and learnt and understood it. I got slated on here once for spending an entire weekend trying to save an injured pigeon in my garden. I’ve messaged dozens of posters on here after they say they’ve got an issue (whether that be mentally or physically) offering advice and support. I messaged a poster my own experience about Trich. I care about people I’ll never meet that society sh*ts on everyday. I regularly tip the girls in the betting shop I visit £40 a time because I know the sort of wage they’re on. I care about right and wrong. I’m not a bad person and you have no right whatsoever to judge from your high horse.
Because I disagree with you and Herbs about a subject gives you no right whatsoever to think you know me. Neither of you have met me in real life nor ever will meet me in real life. You don’t know me. [Post edited 27 May 2023 12:08]
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I, and Herbs I think, are talking on a much bigger level. As in the planet. Most of the things you list there are still at a close level to yourself.
But I'll leave it there as my intention was not to upset, just for you to understand and reflect on why these protestors are protesting. You've softened somewhat from your original, quite vitriolic, OP and first few posts which came across as "why are they disrupting this thing that I enjoy?" The "I enjoy" bit seemed, and still seems, quite important to your stance. Thousands of people enjoy bullfighting but the numbers enjoying it don't make it right.
That's all I wanted you to reflect on. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:44 - May 27 with 1947 views | J2BLUE |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:35 - May 27 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Hmmmmm!!
I wonder what odds J2 is offering on the chances of a horse being injured/killed during a protest designed to stop a race from happening compared to the chances on an average race day. I imagine such an outcome is much less likely if the race is avoided. |
J2 would not offer odds on such a thing. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:45 - May 27 with 1944 views | SE1blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:03 - May 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’ll tell you what is getting on my tits now, this whole sh*t about how I only care about my people and interests. The implied comments that I’m selfish.
I got slated on here for saying I didn’t care about politics 10 years ago so went off and learnt and understood it. I got slated on here once for spending an entire weekend trying to save an injured pigeon in my garden. I’ve messaged dozens of posters on here after they say they’ve got an issue (whether that be mentally or physically) offering advice and support. I messaged a poster my own experience about Trich. I care about people I’ll never meet that society sh*ts on everyday. I regularly tip the girls in the betting shop I visit £40 a time because I know the sort of wage they’re on. I care about right and wrong. I’m not a bad person and you have no right whatsoever to judge from your high horse.
Because I disagree with you and Herbs about a subject gives you no right whatsoever to think you know me. Neither of you have met me in real life nor ever will meet me in real life. You don’t know me. [Post edited 27 May 2023 12:08]
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Can understand your annoyance with personal comments, but you put your views on a forum. Without wishing to make another Roman reference, it’s a place for things to be discussed from differing view points.
People are going to come and debate your thoughts (and discuss you as the poster of them), whether their comments and views are fair, unfair or even off topic.
If you keep hearing stuff you don’t like when you post your thoughts, there’s a way to manage yourself when you can’t manage others… |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:47 - May 27 with 1916 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:09 - May 27 by GlasgowBlue |
The OP was about the stop oil protesters, who aren't putting horses at risk. Regardless of the moral right that Emily Davison was protesting about, her actions could have put the horse at risk. So Rommy is correct with that statement.
Noggin's reply was that every owner, trainer and Jockey is aware that their horse may die racing.
Noggin is also correct. There will always be a chance of a horse dying at a race.
But the two are not comparable as I made clear in my own analogy. Emily Davison is adding extra jeopardy.
I have no skin in this game and simply made my point. I have no wish to bat this one back and forwards. You will call that a swerve. but I see no point in making the same point over and over again. I've made it, feel free to disagree with it. [Post edited 27 May 2023 12:13]
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You just said "I didn’t mention protesters." Now you're saying your point was that Emily Davison (a protestor) is adding extra jeopardy!
Rommer's statement wasn't that her actions could have put the horse at risk. His statement was she knew what she was doing and was deliberately putting the horse at risk, knowing it would probably die, and chose the place to enter the course in order "to cause most damage". The evidence, scientifically evaluated as much as it can be, points to that not being true.
I don't have much skin in this game either, other than getting to the truth. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:49 - May 27 with 1900 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:45 - May 27 by SE1blue |
Can understand your annoyance with personal comments, but you put your views on a forum. Without wishing to make another Roman reference, it’s a place for things to be discussed from differing view points.
People are going to come and debate your thoughts (and discuss you as the poster of them), whether their comments and views are fair, unfair or even off topic.
If you keep hearing stuff you don’t like when you post your thoughts, there’s a way to manage yourself when you can’t manage others… |
In this thread alone I’ve now had 2 people suggesting it a selfish person, one person linking my social media without my consent and one other person suggesting I don’t deserve a pet as I partake in animal cruelty.
Forgive me but I don’t think me supporting horse racing deserves any of those personal attacks.
If that’s the defence for getting personal over an opinion held, then this simply isn’t the place for me anymore. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:50 - May 27 with 1893 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:32 - May 27 by J2BLUE |
80 stone? What?
Edit: Holy sh1t, never knew that. [Post edited 27 May 2023 12:34]
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Exactly.
This idea that she knew she would injure or kill the horse and entered at a place to cause most damage doesn't stand up to scrutiny. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:53 - May 27 with 1867 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:50 - May 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Exactly.
This idea that she knew she would injure or kill the horse and entered at a place to cause most damage doesn't stand up to scrutiny. |
To be fair Dollers, although I have to admit I haven't read the thread - but just picking up on the few posts I have.........
..........a horse is a poorly designed animal and are easily damaged beyond repair. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:53 - May 27 with 1868 views | SE1blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:49 - May 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
In this thread alone I’ve now had 2 people suggesting it a selfish person, one person linking my social media without my consent and one other person suggesting I don’t deserve a pet as I partake in animal cruelty.
Forgive me but I don’t think me supporting horse racing deserves any of those personal attacks.
If that’s the defence for getting personal over an opinion held, then this simply isn’t the place for me anymore. |
I don’t think personal attacks should ever happen and are bang out of order. But this is the internet sadly.
If I were getting those kind of responses, I wouldn’t post. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:55 - May 27 with 1851 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:49 - May 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
In this thread alone I’ve now had 2 people suggesting it a selfish person, one person linking my social media without my consent and one other person suggesting I don’t deserve a pet as I partake in animal cruelty.
Forgive me but I don’t think me supporting horse racing deserves any of those personal attacks.
If that’s the defence for getting personal over an opinion held, then this simply isn’t the place for me anymore. |
I for one am not calling you selfish, or uncaring towards animals generally, so apologies if I've overstepped a mark or not made myself clear. I certainly wouldn't want you, one of the better posters, to leave TWTD.
Also, this thread isn't merely about you supporting horse racing. If it were just that it wouldn't have reached 12 pages. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:58 - May 27 with 1828 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:53 - May 27 by Lord_Lucan |
To be fair Dollers, although I have to admit I haven't read the thread - but just picking up on the few posts I have.........
..........a horse is a poorly designed animal and are easily damaged beyond repair. |
A horse is a fantastically designed, beautiful animal!
You're thinking of camels.
In case you missed it, Emily Davison was killed. The horse, and rider, rode again two weeks later. Whatever anyone thinks about her entering the course, these are the facts. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 13:17 - May 27 with 1798 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:47 - May 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You just said "I didn’t mention protesters." Now you're saying your point was that Emily Davison (a protestor) is adding extra jeopardy!
Rommer's statement wasn't that her actions could have put the horse at risk. His statement was she knew what she was doing and was deliberately putting the horse at risk, knowing it would probably die, and chose the place to enter the course in order "to cause most damage". The evidence, scientifically evaluated as much as it can be, points to that not being true.
I don't have much skin in this game either, other than getting to the truth. |
And this is why I regretted replying to you. It’s doing to go on for fcuking pages.
The problem is that you replied to my reply. Which was a reply to koonters. Koonters replied to noggin. So the who fooking point got lost. Incredibly frustrating.
Secondly, when you replied to me “the protestors are looking to protest, not put their's or others lives at risk” I assumed you were talking about the 2023 protesters. You said they are looking, not were looking. You were talking in the current tense and not about Emily Davidson.
So not, I wasn’t talking about the protesters. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 13:22 - May 27 with 1779 views | Crawfordsboot |
The numerous posts on this thread cover a wide range of causes including blood sports, votes for women, gambling, saving the planet etc. etc. They then usually go on to support the right to protest in support of whatever side of the argument the poster sits.
I have no problem with anyone’s right to protest on either side of the argument for any of the above.
I do though have a problem with those who interpret a right to protest as a right to force their beliefs on others be it by blocking my rights of access to the public highway, by forcibly halting a sporting event, by blocking access to an abortion clinic. All of these have occurred because groups of individuals have failed to persuade society by available democratic means and strength of argument. They then resort to direct action, calling it protest.
The interesting discussion should surely be about what differentiates protest from direct action and whether the latter can be justified as a way to enforce a minority view. |  | | |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 13:36 - May 27 with 1732 views | bluelagos |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 13:22 - May 27 by Crawfordsboot |
The numerous posts on this thread cover a wide range of causes including blood sports, votes for women, gambling, saving the planet etc. etc. They then usually go on to support the right to protest in support of whatever side of the argument the poster sits.
I have no problem with anyone’s right to protest on either side of the argument for any of the above.
I do though have a problem with those who interpret a right to protest as a right to force their beliefs on others be it by blocking my rights of access to the public highway, by forcibly halting a sporting event, by blocking access to an abortion clinic. All of these have occurred because groups of individuals have failed to persuade society by available democratic means and strength of argument. They then resort to direct action, calling it protest.
The interesting discussion should surely be about what differentiates protest from direct action and whether the latter can be justified as a way to enforce a minority view. |
So you don't approve of the suffragettes' actions?
I guess you'd also object to the civil rights marchers who sat down and blocked bridges in 1950/60s America?
And those pesky ANC folk who failed to convince the architects of apartheid to allow the back population equal rights?
Maybe we would have given women the vote anyway but I have nil problems with people using direct actions (or with the police arresting them and the courts punishing them)
I do have a problem when the punishments are excessive and driven by a desire for retribution from people who get upset at delays on the roads/trains etc. whilst simultaneously not seemingly giving a toss about the destruction / damage if our planet.
Animal rights protesters choosing to disrupt a sporting event they feel is cruel is for them to justify. But I don't condemn them and admire their bravery, determination and personal sacrifice for a cause they believe in. And if a few race goers have their afternoon distrupted, not remotely worried tbh. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 13:42 - May 27 with 1702 views | J2BLUE |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 13:36 - May 27 by bluelagos |
So you don't approve of the suffragettes' actions?
I guess you'd also object to the civil rights marchers who sat down and blocked bridges in 1950/60s America?
And those pesky ANC folk who failed to convince the architects of apartheid to allow the back population equal rights?
Maybe we would have given women the vote anyway but I have nil problems with people using direct actions (or with the police arresting them and the courts punishing them)
I do have a problem when the punishments are excessive and driven by a desire for retribution from people who get upset at delays on the roads/trains etc. whilst simultaneously not seemingly giving a toss about the destruction / damage if our planet.
Animal rights protesters choosing to disrupt a sporting event they feel is cruel is for them to justify. But I don't condemn them and admire their bravery, determination and personal sacrifice for a cause they believe in. And if a few race goers have their afternoon distrupted, not remotely worried tbh. |
I think we can all agree they are brave. Anyone who turned up with a potential prison sentence for their actions is to be admired really.
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 13:46 - May 27 with 1680 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 12:03 - May 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’ll tell you what is getting on my tits now, this whole sh*t about how I only care about my people and interests. The implied comments that I’m selfish.
I got slated on here for saying I didn’t care about politics 10 years ago so went off and learnt and understood it. I got slated on here once for spending an entire weekend trying to save an injured pigeon in my garden. I’ve messaged dozens of posters on here after they say they’ve got an issue (whether that be mentally or physically) offering advice and support. I messaged a poster my own experience about Trich. I care about people I’ll never meet that society sh*ts on everyday. I regularly tip the girls in the betting shop I visit £40 a time because I know the sort of wage they’re on. I care about right and wrong. I’m not a bad person and you have no right whatsoever to judge from your high horse.
Because I disagree with you and Herbs about a subject gives you no right whatsoever to think you know me. Neither of you have met me in real life nor ever will meet me in real life. You don’t know me. [Post edited 27 May 2023 12:08]
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People aren't either good or bad - you can do good things whilst supporting bad things.
The links to your socials aren't great - but you have yourself linked to your socials on here so you invite that more than anyone else does. Why link to your own if you don't want people to look at them? I still wouldn't use that against you but can appreciate why it seems fairer game to some
Tipping the girls in the betting shop? I think this is an example of what Herbs and others are saying. Yes it's kind - but it's something that's close to you and something you profit from. If you were doing the same for workers unconnected to you it would seem a bit more altruistic.
I know I've been argumentative and that happens on posts that are a bit divisive and the OP was quite confrontational too, as is wishing imprisonment on people.
I think you're completely wrong on this and I think horse racing is cruel. That's my view though - I also think you're most likely a good person. The two aren't mutually exclusive |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:00 - May 27 with 1634 views | J2BLUE |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 13:46 - May 27 by NeedhamChris |
People aren't either good or bad - you can do good things whilst supporting bad things.
The links to your socials aren't great - but you have yourself linked to your socials on here so you invite that more than anyone else does. Why link to your own if you don't want people to look at them? I still wouldn't use that against you but can appreciate why it seems fairer game to some
Tipping the girls in the betting shop? I think this is an example of what Herbs and others are saying. Yes it's kind - but it's something that's close to you and something you profit from. If you were doing the same for workers unconnected to you it would seem a bit more altruistic.
I know I've been argumentative and that happens on posts that are a bit divisive and the OP was quite confrontational too, as is wishing imprisonment on people.
I think you're completely wrong on this and I think horse racing is cruel. That's my view though - I also think you're most likely a good person. The two aren't mutually exclusive |
Yes it's kind - but it's something that's close to you and something you profit from
How does he benefit from that? They aren't going to take his bets any faster. They aren't going to give him any higher limits. They would still be there taking bets without his tip. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:05 - May 27 with 1614 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:00 - May 27 by J2BLUE |
Yes it's kind - but it's something that's close to you and something you profit from
How does he benefit from that? They aren't going to take his bets any faster. They aren't going to give him any higher limits. They would still be there taking bets without his tip. |
I'm assuming that he doesn't tip £40 every time given how often I assume he bets.
Tipping with winnings linked to horse racing is hardly independent from the point here is it? | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:07 - May 27 with 1591 views | J2BLUE |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:05 - May 27 by NeedhamChris |
I'm assuming that he doesn't tip £40 every time given how often I assume he bets.
Tipping with winnings linked to horse racing is hardly independent from the point here is it? |
You said he benefits from giving them a tip.
How? He can bet online. He can place the same bets without the tip.
So he doesn't benefit from it at all does he? | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:19 - May 27 with 1566 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:07 - May 27 by J2BLUE |
You said he benefits from giving them a tip.
How? He can bet online. He can place the same bets without the tip.
So he doesn't benefit from it at all does he? |
I think it's your turn to be argumentative :)
I didn't say he benefits from giving them a tip. I'm saying the kindness is aimed at something he benefits from (the betting industry).
Do you think the reason he tips the betting shop girls but not the staff at Tesco or anywhere else is because they're the best, or because he doesn't profit from Tesco. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:26 - May 27 with 1529 views | J2BLUE |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:19 - May 27 by NeedhamChris |
I think it's your turn to be argumentative :)
I didn't say he benefits from giving them a tip. I'm saying the kindness is aimed at something he benefits from (the betting industry).
Do you think the reason he tips the betting shop girls but not the staff at Tesco or anywhere else is because they're the best, or because he doesn't profit from Tesco. |
Not being argumentative at all. To be honest I think some of you are just throwing anything you can think of at him now. He gets no direct benefit from the tip. If your argument is purely that people support things they care about then that is the same for almost everyone. Charities are the perfect example. There are hundreds of great charities but people donate to the one they care more about. Your wording was clumsy at best.
I think the bottom of the barrel has been well and truly scraped now and this thread should be left to die if there's nothing constructive to add. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:27 - May 27 with 1528 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:19 - May 27 by NeedhamChris |
I think it's your turn to be argumentative :)
I didn't say he benefits from giving them a tip. I'm saying the kindness is aimed at something he benefits from (the betting industry).
Do you think the reason he tips the betting shop girls but not the staff at Tesco or anywhere else is because they're the best, or because he doesn't profit from Tesco. |
You seem to be looking at every reason you can find to attack Rommy in this thread. Getting very personal imo. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:33 - May 27 with 1492 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:27 - May 27 by GlasgowBlue |
You seem to be looking at every reason you can find to attack Rommy in this thread. Getting very personal imo. |
And I think you're looking for reasons to defend him. All I'm saying is that all of Rommys examples of kindness are areas he is involved in. That's fair enough, he's the one using them as justification for not being a bad person whilst supporting horse racing.
The post that J2 picked at then ended with;
"I think you're completely wrong on this and I think horse racing is cruel. That's my view though - I also think you're most likely a good person. The two aren't mutually exclusive"
Also have a look at my first 3/4 posts on this thread, nothing personal there. But Rommys approach of doubling down, happily saying he'd smack the c***s and saying they should all be locked up is hardly going to de-escalate a row is it? | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:36 - May 27 with 1463 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 14:26 - May 27 by J2BLUE |
Not being argumentative at all. To be honest I think some of you are just throwing anything you can think of at him now. He gets no direct benefit from the tip. If your argument is purely that people support things they care about then that is the same for almost everyone. Charities are the perfect example. There are hundreds of great charities but people donate to the one they care more about. Your wording was clumsy at best.
I think the bottom of the barrel has been well and truly scraped now and this thread should be left to die if there's nothing constructive to add. |
Agreed but that doesn't mean it can be used as a justification like Rommy did either.
If I supported bear baiting I don't think a £40 donation to a bear charity would change anyone's views on me, I just think the same applies here.
I actually like Rommy, he wears his heart on his sleeve and yeah probably suffers for that. But it's an emotive topic and one he knew would get this response and a heated debate he should have been ready for. | |
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