| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week 04:57 - May 24 with 41938 views | The_Romford_Blue |
1,000 Animal Rising protesters turning up to ruin the Derby at Epsom. Track has applied for an injunction to ban them or they’ll ruin it but even if they get the injunction (unlikely I’d imagine), it’ll be a nightmare stopping them with Epsom’s course layout. Epsom, unlike Aintree, is an open track and getting on to ruin it will not be that difficult unfortunately. It’s part of a public footpath when racing isn’t on to the side of the course so can be accessed if people want to quite easily. They’ve specifically said today in writing and in a meeting with the course that they plan to turn up and ruin both days by sitting on the track.
So that’ll be another sporting event I’m in attendance that these tw*ts ruin. That’s if I even get there with the now added train strike announced conveniently three days ago. Two days off work, train tickets, race day tickets at £140 a pop per day and it’ll probably end up cancelled anyway because it’s 2023 and nothing I like doing goes without someone sitting in the way trying to ruin it.
I doubt TWTD is the place to moan about this though as, like with the Snooker World Championship last month, the racing isn’t something the majority on here enjoy so it’s ok. They’ll no doubt target a town game soon just to really make me despise them. Protest for protest sake. There’s always something someone somewhere disagrees with and will then protest about and attempt to ruin.
What a depressing time to be a human being. [Post edited 24 May 2023 5:03]
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:18 - May 26 with 1998 views | J2BLUE |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:05 - May 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
They don't exclusively use electric vehicles. |
I didn't know that. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:22 - May 26 with 1970 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Injunction granted. Brilliant news.
Be interesting to see if the protesters turn up and attempt to get on the track now knowing they risk jail if they do. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:24 - May 26 with 1961 views | J2BLUE |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:22 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
Injunction granted. Brilliant news.
Be interesting to see if the protesters turn up and attempt to get on the track now knowing they risk jail if they do. |
Of course they will.
I wonder if the bookies will put a market up on how long they will get inside... | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:27 - May 26 with 1954 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:24 - May 26 by J2BLUE |
Of course they will.
I wonder if the bookies will put a market up on how long they will get inside... |
And if they do, I hope they are jailed in all honesty. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:29 - May 26 with 1946 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:18 - May 26 by J2BLUE |
I didn't know that. |
Don't know UK figures but in the US they have 3,000 electric vehicles. Which is a decent effort but a small percentage overall. They plan to have 100,000 (again, only US figures) by 2030.
The point stands that it would be weird for protestors to target football for the destruction of the planet. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:32 - May 26 with 1939 views | Herbivore |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:27 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
And if they do, I hope they are jailed in all honesty. |
You want people to go to jail for staging a peaceful protest? Christ. Not sure if this is just you shooting for a twenty pager or whether you've lost your head. |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:32 - May 26 with 1939 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:27 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
And if they do, I hope they are jailed in all honesty. |
Wouldn't it be easier to send them off to slaughter if you think they've reached the end of their useful life? |  |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:33 - May 26 with 1925 views | Kropotkin123 |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:37 - May 26 with 1914 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:32 - May 26 by Herbivore |
You want people to go to jail for staging a peaceful protest? Christ. Not sure if this is just you shooting for a twenty pager or whether you've lost your head. |
How is going on the track and blocking the racing a peaceful protest?
I’ve already said, and so have the jockey club, they’ve no issue with them protesting at the gates of the track.
Going on the track is not peaceful | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:38 - May 26 with 1906 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:32 - May 26 by NeedhamChris |
Wouldn't it be easier to send them off to slaughter if you think they've reached the end of their useful life? |
Racehorses aren’t sent to the slaughter upon retirement. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:40 - May 26 with 1897 views | Herbivore |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:37 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
How is going on the track and blocking the racing a peaceful protest?
I’ve already said, and so have the jockey club, they’ve no issue with them protesting at the gates of the track.
Going on the track is not peaceful |
Of course it's peaceful protest. They aren't using violence or making threats of violence. A protest being bothersome doesn't mean it's not peaceful. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:42 - May 26 with 1892 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:37 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
How is going on the track and blocking the racing a peaceful protest?
I’ve already said, and so have the jockey club, they’ve no issue with them protesting at the gates of the track.
Going on the track is not peaceful |
It's obviously not the same scenario, but why should they listen to the jockey club about where they should protest. People on here (including you) were quite vocal about the football club trying to tell people where to celebrate. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:44 - May 26 with 1871 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:42 - May 26 by NeedhamChris |
It's obviously not the same scenario, but why should they listen to the jockey club about where they should protest. People on here (including you) were quite vocal about the football club trying to tell people where to celebrate. |
And ultimately I listened to the club and abided by the rules set.
Which is surely the point I’m making here | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:45 - May 26 with 1851 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:40 - May 26 by Herbivore |
Of course it's peaceful protest. They aren't using violence or making threats of violence. A protest being bothersome doesn't mean it's not peaceful. |
It’s not peaceful at all. They’re suggesting entering the track at various stages of the day including just before the biggest races when the layout of the track will mean the horses will be on the way down to the start heading in that direction.
By entering the track in the moment, they’ll be putting the horses at risk. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:46 - May 26 with 1849 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:44 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
And ultimately I listened to the club and abided by the rules set.
Which is surely the point I’m making here |
Agreed, but you also defended the rights of hundreds that didn't.
Allowing protest but only when it's not disruptive isn't really allowing protest at all. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:48 - May 26 with 1838 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:38 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
Racehorses aren’t sent to the slaughter upon retirement. |
One other thing I was going to comment on, but is so far back in the thread now I wouldn't know where - how do you know Emily Davison would think being on the track would kill the horse (which was your accusation)? If I was stepping in front of a racehorse I'd expect to injure myself, and maybe the jockey if he fell. I certainly wouldn't expect it to kill the horse, and I doubt most people would.
In fact the horse and jockey rode again 2 weeks later. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:50 - May 26 with 1821 views | Herbivore |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:45 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
It’s not peaceful at all. They’re suggesting entering the track at various stages of the day including just before the biggest races when the layout of the track will mean the horses will be on the way down to the start heading in that direction.
By entering the track in the moment, they’ll be putting the horses at risk. |
By entering the track when the horses aren't racing they'll be placing them at risk? It is a peaceful protest, they are not proposing to use violence or threats of violence. Protests can be both peaceful and disruptive. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:50 - May 26 with 1823 views | NeedhamChris |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:38 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
Racehorses aren’t sent to the slaughter upon retirement. |
What about those that are bred for the industry but are deemed not good enough? | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:51 - May 26 with 1821 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:48 - May 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
One other thing I was going to comment on, but is so far back in the thread now I wouldn't know where - how do you know Emily Davison would think being on the track would kill the horse (which was your accusation)? If I was stepping in front of a racehorse I'd expect to injure myself, and maybe the jockey if he fell. I certainly wouldn't expect it to kill the horse, and I doubt most people would.
In fact the horse and jockey rode again 2 weeks later. |
I think it’s very suspect that she chose Tattenham Corner to do it. Which happens to be the fastest part of any track in the country where horses do 40mph.
Having a 200 pound human jump in front of the legs of the horse at that speed.. I’m still shocked the horse didn’t break a leg tbh. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:52 - May 26 with 1812 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:45 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
It’s not peaceful at all. They’re suggesting entering the track at various stages of the day including just before the biggest races when the layout of the track will mean the horses will be on the way down to the start heading in that direction.
By entering the track in the moment, they’ll be putting the horses at risk. |
Sorry Rommers, but it's a bit rich someone in the racing community claiming the protestors are putting the horses at risk. That's almost Toryesque victim blaming. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:57 - May 26 with 1792 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:51 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
I think it’s very suspect that she chose Tattenham Corner to do it. Which happens to be the fastest part of any track in the country where horses do 40mph.
Having a 200 pound human jump in front of the legs of the horse at that speed.. I’m still shocked the horse didn’t break a leg tbh. |
They were travelling at around 35mph.
"Davison's purpose in attending the Derby and walking onto the course is unclear. She did not discuss her plans with anyone or leave a note.[86][87] Several theories have been suggested, including that she intended to cross the track, believing that all horses had passed; that she wanted to pull down the King's horse; that she was trying to attach one of the WSPU flags to a horse; or that she intended to throw herself in front of one of the horses.[75] The historian Elizabeth Crawford considers that "subsequent explanations of ... [Davison's] action have created a tangle of fictions, false deductions, hearsay, conjecture, misrepresentation and theory".[88]
In 2013 a Channel 4 documentary used forensic examiners who digitised the original nitrate film from the three cameras present. The film was digitally cleaned and examined. Their examination suggests that Davison intended to throw a suffragette flag around the neck of a horse or attach it to the horse's bridle."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Davison#Fatal_injury_at_the_Derby | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:57 - May 26 with 1789 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:50 - May 26 by Herbivore |
By entering the track when the horses aren't racing they'll be placing them at risk? It is a peaceful protest, they are not proposing to use violence or threats of violence. Protests can be both peaceful and disruptive. |
The layout of Epsom is 1 way. It’s not a loop.
In the 20 minutes before the race, the horses will leave the parade ring and make their way to the stalls. For the three Group 1 races (the big races that they’re targeting action in), all three races are 1m 4f races and will require the horses making their way up the track in that direction. If the protesters all flood onto the track at Tattenham Corner as is believed and expected to be their place they’ll get access, they’ll be directly in line with the horses running towards them. In that scenario, there would be nowhere to go for the horses and it’ll be no guarantee that the horses can be pulled up easily right before a race when they’re excited.
At that stage, with horses hurtling towards them and random people dressed in pink scattered across the track, it’s a recipe for disaster and the horses lives will be at risk.
It’s not like at the grand national where the layout meant the protest was a long way from the horses. If they do it at Epsom, they’ll be doing it with horses running by them every few seconds as they go that way to the start of all but 1 race across the 2 day meeting. There is no other alternative method to get to the stalls. It has to be that way. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 17:01 - May 26 with 1780 views | StokieBlue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:51 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
I think it’s very suspect that she chose Tattenham Corner to do it. Which happens to be the fastest part of any track in the country where horses do 40mph.
Having a 200 pound human jump in front of the legs of the horse at that speed.. I’m still shocked the horse didn’t break a leg tbh. |
Just a small point, there is no way she was 90kg.
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 17:22 - May 26 with 1731 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 17:01 - May 26 by StokieBlue |
Just a small point, there is no way she was 90kg.
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Yep, that puts her at over 14 stone.
And the horses were doing 5mph less than he suggested.
Rommers likes to exaggerate to strengthen his argument, it seems. | |
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| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 17:24 - May 26 with 1724 views | Radlett_blue |
| Looks like another great sporting event is getting ruined next week on 16:57 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
The layout of Epsom is 1 way. It’s not a loop.
In the 20 minutes before the race, the horses will leave the parade ring and make their way to the stalls. For the three Group 1 races (the big races that they’re targeting action in), all three races are 1m 4f races and will require the horses making their way up the track in that direction. If the protesters all flood onto the track at Tattenham Corner as is believed and expected to be their place they’ll get access, they’ll be directly in line with the horses running towards them. In that scenario, there would be nowhere to go for the horses and it’ll be no guarantee that the horses can be pulled up easily right before a race when they’re excited.
At that stage, with horses hurtling towards them and random people dressed in pink scattered across the track, it’s a recipe for disaster and the horses lives will be at risk.
It’s not like at the grand national where the layout meant the protest was a long way from the horses. If they do it at Epsom, they’ll be doing it with horses running by them every few seconds as they go that way to the start of all but 1 race across the 2 day meeting. There is no other alternative method to get to the stalls. It has to be that way. |
Before they moved the paddock/parade ring, the horses used to make their way to the Derby 1 1/2 mile start along a track across the downs, didn't they? |  |
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