| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… 11:27 - May 31 with 12468 views | MancBlue86 |
that is the same type of player and fits the system? [Post edited 31 May 2023 11:32]
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:21 - May 31 with 2386 views | Illinoisblue |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:06 - May 31 by Asa |
This thread seems to be conclusive evidence of the sort of scars that the Evans era has left.
We will be one of the best funded sides in the Championship. We will be one of the most ambitious. We have signed half of the Manchester United scouting department. We have seen a newly promoted club, in Sunderland, sign a £37m player on loan. We have seen Town target Evan Ferguson before most here had heard of him only for him to bang goals in in the Premier League.
Yet people are suggesting Colby Bishop, Dane Scarlett and Will Keane (elswhere Macauley Langstaff) as the answer to who will fire us into the Premier League, which is what the owners will be looking to try and do next season.
I'd be surprised if we set our sights as 'low' as Jerry Yates who has just scored 15 goals in the Championship in a relegated side and would be some signing.
Would not be surprised at all to see us go big for Hirst seeing him as a backup and bring in someone that we considered to be even better than him to potentially start games.
When we are THIS good, 98 points, 101 goals and looking every inch a top Championship striker, I cannot see any way the main man is a striker who isn't already deemed a perfect fit for our system. It'll be someone who can win the ball in the air, hold it up, get into the channels, get in behind. Hirst is good in the air, quick, strong and works tirelessly. It's going to be that mould.
We won't be settling for half decent League One strikers, especially not ones that can't do a bit of everything Hirst offers. We won't be getting a top tier scouting department for them to recommend a bloke who looked alright for a month at Portsmouth. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:33]
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If we sign Hirst for 3m or 4m but only to have him as a backup striker that would be a heck of a statement. |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:22 - May 31 with 2390 views | jayessess |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:06 - May 31 by Asa |
This thread seems to be conclusive evidence of the sort of scars that the Evans era has left.
We will be one of the best funded sides in the Championship. We will be one of the most ambitious. We have signed half of the Manchester United scouting department. We have seen a newly promoted club, in Sunderland, sign a £37m player on loan. We have seen Town target Evan Ferguson before most here had heard of him only for him to bang goals in in the Premier League.
Yet people are suggesting Colby Bishop, Dane Scarlett and Will Keane (elswhere Macauley Langstaff) as the answer to who will fire us into the Premier League, which is what the owners will be looking to try and do next season.
I'd be surprised if we set our sights as 'low' as Jerry Yates who has just scored 15 goals in the Championship in a relegated side and would be some signing.
Would not be surprised at all to see us go big for Hirst seeing him as a backup and bring in someone that we considered to be even better than him to potentially start games.
When we are THIS good, 98 points, 101 goals and looking every inch a top Championship striker, I cannot see any way the main man is a striker who isn't already deemed a perfect fit for our system. It'll be someone who can win the ball in the air, hold it up, get into the channels, get in behind. Hirst is good in the air, quick, strong and works tirelessly. It's going to be that mould.
We won't be settling for half decent League One strikers, especially not ones that can't do a bit of everything Hirst offers. We won't be getting a top tier scouting department for them to recommend a bloke who looked alright for a month at Portsmouth. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:33]
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Whatever funding the owners want to put in, there's a hard limit on how much they can sustainably put into the club because of FFP. There's also a status limit. There's only so many places a recently-promoted Championship can realistically source their signings, without having to exceed the market rate for the player.
You look at the successful clubs in the Championship without parachute payments and they're recruiting in the precisely the pools you're turning your nose up at - players leaving relegated Championship teams like Keane, Yates, players who are currently excelling in League One like Bishop, Premier League loanees who just finished their first loan and have the attributes to push on like Scarlett (or Diallo last year!).
Whatever backing we have, we aren't going to miraculously be able to bend the rules to our whim and we'll be recruiting in similar places to everyone else in the division. |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:29 - May 31 with 2350 views | Asa |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:22 - May 31 by jayessess |
Whatever funding the owners want to put in, there's a hard limit on how much they can sustainably put into the club because of FFP. There's also a status limit. There's only so many places a recently-promoted Championship can realistically source their signings, without having to exceed the market rate for the player.
You look at the successful clubs in the Championship without parachute payments and they're recruiting in the precisely the pools you're turning your nose up at - players leaving relegated Championship teams like Keane, Yates, players who are currently excelling in League One like Bishop, Premier League loanees who just finished their first loan and have the attributes to push on like Scarlett (or Diallo last year!).
Whatever backing we have, we aren't going to miraculously be able to bend the rules to our whim and we'll be recruiting in similar places to everyone else in the division. |
I appreciate that, but the current missing piece is the striker. That is probably the one area where I'd expect us to splash out.
Yes, we are recently promoted. But we've attracted top Championship players into League One playing at Burton, Accrington and Morecambe.
We are now going into the Championship as a side that has promotion ambitions, will be in the top six for attendances, top eight for what we can offer in wages, top three in terms of where the club is at in terms of togetherness and feelgood and probably one of the top six clubs in terms of historical context, which won't be that important with the players coming in admittedly.
We were a massive League One club. We will still be one of the bigger sides in the Championship in all the important areas for a player - style of play, wages, crowds, trajectory, working environment.
Swansea bought Piroe for £1m. Gyokereyes was something like £1m as well. With the scouting department we have, I'd be very confident of us unearthing someone of that ilk who is ready to be a top Championship player rather than spending similar on a player whose ceiling is probably going to be lower based on what they've done so far. That kind of player goes on to be worth £10m after a good season. I can't see Colby Bishop ever being worth close to even half that.
30 year old Will Keane is unlikely to fit the recruitment model. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:32]
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:33 - May 31 with 2311 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:29 - May 31 by Asa |
I appreciate that, but the current missing piece is the striker. That is probably the one area where I'd expect us to splash out.
Yes, we are recently promoted. But we've attracted top Championship players into League One playing at Burton, Accrington and Morecambe.
We are now going into the Championship as a side that has promotion ambitions, will be in the top six for attendances, top eight for what we can offer in wages, top three in terms of where the club is at in terms of togetherness and feelgood and probably one of the top six clubs in terms of historical context, which won't be that important with the players coming in admittedly.
We were a massive League One club. We will still be one of the bigger sides in the Championship in all the important areas for a player - style of play, wages, crowds, trajectory, working environment.
Swansea bought Piroe for £1m. Gyokereyes was something like £1m as well. With the scouting department we have, I'd be very confident of us unearthing someone of that ilk who is ready to be a top Championship player rather than spending similar on a player whose ceiling is probably going to be lower based on what they've done so far. That kind of player goes on to be worth £10m after a good season. I can't see Colby Bishop ever being worth close to even half that.
30 year old Will Keane is unlikely to fit the recruitment model. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:32]
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"top championship players" is a stretch.
Players who are better than league one, yes but they aren't top championship players.
Millwall got to multiple top 10 finishes with Tom Bradshaw upfront who was a league one/lower champ striker for most of his career. i wouldn't turn my nose up at Colby Bishop or Jerry Yates tbh. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:35]
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:35 - May 31 with 2296 views | Asa |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:33 - May 31 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
"top championship players" is a stretch.
Players who are better than league one, yes but they aren't top championship players.
Millwall got to multiple top 10 finishes with Tom Bradshaw upfront who was a league one/lower champ striker for most of his career. i wouldn't turn my nose up at Colby Bishop or Jerry Yates tbh. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:35]
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Broadhead, Davis and possibly Walton walk into any of the playoff sides from what I have just seen.
Broadhead in fact was a standout for the almost unchanged Sunderland team that just finished in the playoffs.
Coventry, Luton, Sunderland and Boro are full of top Championship players. We have three I'd say get into those teams, potentially 4-5 already.
So I don't think it's a stretch to say we attracted that quality of player whilst in League One.
Millwall are also one of the smaller budgets in League One. The fact they've got every last drop out of someone like Bradshaw is great. But doesn't mean, with more resources, ambition and as a bigger club, we have to settle for that instead of aiming and attracting a higher starting point to then look to get every drop out of. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:37]
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:38 - May 31 with 2275 views | Illinoisblue |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:29 - May 31 by Asa |
I appreciate that, but the current missing piece is the striker. That is probably the one area where I'd expect us to splash out.
Yes, we are recently promoted. But we've attracted top Championship players into League One playing at Burton, Accrington and Morecambe.
We are now going into the Championship as a side that has promotion ambitions, will be in the top six for attendances, top eight for what we can offer in wages, top three in terms of where the club is at in terms of togetherness and feelgood and probably one of the top six clubs in terms of historical context, which won't be that important with the players coming in admittedly.
We were a massive League One club. We will still be one of the bigger sides in the Championship in all the important areas for a player - style of play, wages, crowds, trajectory, working environment.
Swansea bought Piroe for £1m. Gyokereyes was something like £1m as well. With the scouting department we have, I'd be very confident of us unearthing someone of that ilk who is ready to be a top Championship player rather than spending similar on a player whose ceiling is probably going to be lower based on what they've done so far. That kind of player goes on to be worth £10m after a good season. I can't see Colby Bishop ever being worth close to even half that.
30 year old Will Keane is unlikely to fit the recruitment model. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:32]
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“Top three in feelgood factor and top six in historical context” are some metrics that might need just a tad more qualifying. | |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:38 - May 31 with 2270 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:06 - May 31 by Asa |
This thread seems to be conclusive evidence of the sort of scars that the Evans era has left.
We will be one of the best funded sides in the Championship. We will be one of the most ambitious. We have signed half of the Manchester United scouting department. We have seen a newly promoted club, in Sunderland, sign a £37m player on loan. We have seen Town target Evan Ferguson before most here had heard of him only for him to bang goals in in the Premier League.
Yet people are suggesting Colby Bishop, Dane Scarlett and Will Keane (elswhere Macauley Langstaff) as the answer to who will fire us into the Premier League, which is what the owners will be looking to try and do next season.
I'd be surprised if we set our sights as 'low' as Jerry Yates who has just scored 15 goals in the Championship in a relegated side and would be some signing.
Would not be surprised at all to see us go big for Hirst seeing him as a backup and bring in someone that we considered to be even better than him to potentially start games.
When we are THIS good, 98 points, 101 goals and looking every inch a top Championship striker, I cannot see any way the main man is a striker who isn't already deemed a perfect fit for our system. It'll be someone who can win the ball in the air, hold it up, get into the channels, get in behind. Hirst is good in the air, quick, strong and works tirelessly. It's going to be that mould.
We won't be settling for half decent League One strikers, especially not ones that can't do a bit of everything Hirst offers. We won't be getting a top tier scouting department for them to recommend a bloke who looked alright for a month at Portsmouth. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:33]
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Yeah, good job Burley wasn't able to land Kevin Phillips and that Vardy went to Leicester!
Plenty of lower League strikers make it in the Championship and Premier League, eventually. Usually they have at least one exceptional attribute.
Bishop is the "old school Centre Forward" who has caused our defence most problems over the last three seasons, in my opinion. I have also been impressed with how good he is at defending in his own box at Corners and other set pieces. Now he might raise his game against us, I don't know, but when we have a simple route to offload one of our unwanted senior players and pick up a proven target man in the same deal, I think it is well worth considering.
I would see him as a lower risk than a 19 or 20 year old Prem Youth player, because Bishop has done it on a wet Tuesday night in Burton, Grimsby and other places with cold dressing rooms and vocal local yokels on his case.
Just my opinion, during the doldrums post-season, and whatever McKenna decides I absolutely will trust. | | | |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:40 - May 31 with 2261 views | catch74 |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:21 - May 31 by SheffordBlue |
Alan Nixon (who has a better record on this stuff than many give him credit for) is reiterating Bishop and Armstrong as being two that we still have interest in. |
Maybe Parrott too? |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:40 - May 31 with 2259 views | itfcsuth |
Joel Piroe.
Been clinical across two seasons in the Championship now. Still 23 y.o so fits that mould of future sale value. Given Swansea financial difficulties, probably a deal we could get do relatively easy.
Would be my first choice, ahead of George Hirst. |  | | |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:42 - May 31 with 2244 views | jayessess |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:29 - May 31 by Asa |
I appreciate that, but the current missing piece is the striker. That is probably the one area where I'd expect us to splash out.
Yes, we are recently promoted. But we've attracted top Championship players into League One playing at Burton, Accrington and Morecambe.
We are now going into the Championship as a side that has promotion ambitions, will be in the top six for attendances, top eight for what we can offer in wages, top three in terms of where the club is at in terms of togetherness and feelgood and probably one of the top six clubs in terms of historical context, which won't be that important with the players coming in admittedly.
We were a massive League One club. We will still be one of the bigger sides in the Championship in all the important areas for a player - style of play, wages, crowds, trajectory, working environment.
Swansea bought Piroe for £1m. Gyokereyes was something like £1m as well. With the scouting department we have, I'd be very confident of us unearthing someone of that ilk who is ready to be a top Championship player rather than spending similar on a player whose ceiling is probably going to be lower based on what they've done so far. That kind of player goes on to be worth £10m after a good season. I can't see Colby Bishop ever being worth close to even half that.
30 year old Will Keane is unlikely to fit the recruitment model. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:32]
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"Unearthing" rather than "splashing out" is the thing there though, isn't it?
Both those signings were cheap because they were off the back of very little first team football. Before Swansea, Piroe had played 502 minutes in the Eredivisie. Before Coventry, Gyokeres a couple of indifferent loan spells in the Bundesliga.2 and at Swansea.
That's the stage that you're realistically going to get those sorts of players and when they arrive you aren't going to be saying "wow, can't believe we managed to get Bobson Dugnutt!" but "hmm, doesn't have much of a track record this lad, seems a bit of a punt".
(Those clubs also recruit a fair few EFL journeymen with miles on the clock too, you have to balance these things. Gyokeres' strike partner was Matt Godden) [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:45]
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:46 - May 31 with 2213 views | yorkshireblue |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:40 - May 31 by itfcsuth |
Joel Piroe.
Been clinical across two seasons in the Championship now. Still 23 y.o so fits that mould of future sale value. Given Swansea financial difficulties, probably a deal we could get do relatively easy.
Would be my first choice, ahead of George Hirst. |
Would be nice to have some Dutch players back in the team.
Although I probably said the same when we signed Zuiverloon. |  | | |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:53 - May 31 with 2179 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:06 - May 31 by Asa |
This thread seems to be conclusive evidence of the sort of scars that the Evans era has left.
We will be one of the best funded sides in the Championship. We will be one of the most ambitious. We have signed half of the Manchester United scouting department. We have seen a newly promoted club, in Sunderland, sign a £37m player on loan. We have seen Town target Evan Ferguson before most here had heard of him only for him to bang goals in in the Premier League.
Yet people are suggesting Colby Bishop, Dane Scarlett and Will Keane (elswhere Macauley Langstaff) as the answer to who will fire us into the Premier League, which is what the owners will be looking to try and do next season.
I'd be surprised if we set our sights as 'low' as Jerry Yates who has just scored 15 goals in the Championship in a relegated side and would be some signing.
Would not be surprised at all to see us go big for Hirst seeing him as a backup and bring in someone that we considered to be even better than him to potentially start games.
When we are THIS good, 98 points, 101 goals and looking every inch a top Championship striker, I cannot see any way the main man is a striker who isn't already deemed a perfect fit for our system. It'll be someone who can win the ball in the air, hold it up, get into the channels, get in behind. Hirst is good in the air, quick, strong and works tirelessly. It's going to be that mould.
We won't be settling for half decent League One strikers, especially not ones that can't do a bit of everything Hirst offers. We won't be getting a top tier scouting department for them to recommend a bloke who looked alright for a month at Portsmouth. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:33]
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This. Our front line last season was ridiculous for L1. No reason to think this season it won't be ridiculous for the Championship |  |
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| In preference to Hirst, we'll go for.... on 13:54 - May 31 with 2171 views | Bloots |
...Adam Armstrong.
Hirst will be a "fall back" option.
There will be other preferences before we look at him. |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:57 - May 31 with 2145 views | jayessess |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:53 - May 31 by LegendofthePhoenix |
This. Our front line last season was ridiculous for L1. No reason to think this season it won't be ridiculous for the Championship |
It being the Championship and not League One is a pretty big reason, isn't it? | |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 14:39 - May 31 with 2040 views | ITFC_Jenx |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:07 - May 31 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Unrealistic as Dike has a long term injury. |
Wasn't sure if he would be getting back to fitness for the new season and that WBA would cut their losses on him.
Was more based on a potential for some American signings to raise the ITFC profile in the States. Not that GC20 would demand it but just speculation. |  | | |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 14:46 - May 31 with 2023 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 14:39 - May 31 by ITFC_Jenx |
Wasn't sure if he would be getting back to fitness for the new season and that WBA would cut their losses on him.
Was more based on a potential for some American signings to raise the ITFC profile in the States. Not that GC20 would demand it but just speculation. |
Proper striker Dike. When the ball gets to his feet it just sticks, but he's mobile too and strong as an ox.
But serious questions over his fitness. two long term injuries already. | |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 14:55 - May 31 with 1981 views | Weiss88 |
Probably not a name most people know of, but I would love to see them bid for a young guy like Mathias Kvistgaarden. | | | |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 15:24 - May 31 with 1919 views | EatonBlue |
Ben House from Lincoln |  | | |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 15:42 - May 31 with 1853 views | hype313 |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:29 - May 31 by Asa |
I appreciate that, but the current missing piece is the striker. That is probably the one area where I'd expect us to splash out.
Yes, we are recently promoted. But we've attracted top Championship players into League One playing at Burton, Accrington and Morecambe.
We are now going into the Championship as a side that has promotion ambitions, will be in the top six for attendances, top eight for what we can offer in wages, top three in terms of where the club is at in terms of togetherness and feelgood and probably one of the top six clubs in terms of historical context, which won't be that important with the players coming in admittedly.
We were a massive League One club. We will still be one of the bigger sides in the Championship in all the important areas for a player - style of play, wages, crowds, trajectory, working environment.
Swansea bought Piroe for £1m. Gyokereyes was something like £1m as well. With the scouting department we have, I'd be very confident of us unearthing someone of that ilk who is ready to be a top Championship player rather than spending similar on a player whose ceiling is probably going to be lower based on what they've done so far. That kind of player goes on to be worth £10m after a good season. I can't see Colby Bishop ever being worth close to even half that.
30 year old Will Keane is unlikely to fit the recruitment model. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:32]
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"Yes, we are recently promoted. But we've attracted top Championship players into League One playing at Burton, Accrington and Morecambe."
Yes, but that was under SCMP not FFP, different ball game in the Championship, add the fact that we could blow every other League One out of the water with wages, it's a different proposition in the Championship, especially with 5 clubs still having Parachute Payments. |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 18:41 - May 31 with 1695 views | MeltonBlue |
Attacking wise I would love us to go for Morgan Rodgers (not sure if a permanent could be reached), I would also love that palmer from city on loan but they don’t seem to loan out them type of young talent.
Striker wise.. is Sam Sturridge still at Forrest? Not sure how much game time he has been getting but scored a few at this level in their promotion season. [Post edited 31 May 2023 18:45]
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 18:55 - May 31 with 1669 views | Kieran_Knows |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 18:41 - May 31 by MeltonBlue |
Attacking wise I would love us to go for Morgan Rodgers (not sure if a permanent could be reached), I would also love that palmer from city on loan but they don’t seem to loan out them type of young talent.
Striker wise.. is Sam Sturridge still at Forrest? Not sure how much game time he has been getting but scored a few at this level in their promotion season. [Post edited 31 May 2023 18:45]
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We went for Rogers last January, but couldn’t get a deal done in enough time. Couldn’t tell you if we’ve been back in for him since, however. |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 19:09 - May 31 with 1604 views | strikalite |
I do like Viktor Gyokeres, cost a bit to get him though... |  | | |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 19:33 - May 31 with 1552 views | cressi |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 19:09 - May 31 by strikalite |
I do like Viktor Gyokeres, cost a bit to get him though... |
I mentioned Joeĺ Piroe earlier what about Estupiñán of Hull scored goals last season. | | | |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 19:40 - May 31 with 1536 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 19:09 - May 31 by strikalite |
I do like Viktor Gyokeres, cost a bit to get him though... |
I did think of him. Would feel like a Stewart-type signing if we got him from Coventry who made the play-offs this season. No idea how good he is or whether he would fit our style but certainly seems to be the main man at Coventry. |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 19:46 - May 31 with 1514 views | ITFC_Jenx |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 19:40 - May 31 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I did think of him. Would feel like a Stewart-type signing if we got him from Coventry who made the play-offs this season. No idea how good he is or whether he would fit our style but certainly seems to be the main man at Coventry. |
I think we will be ambitious but Gyökeres is likely to go to West Ham/Everton/Bournemouth for around £20m.
Piroe is a good shout. Last year of contract, probably around £4-5m. Might go to Southampton to link up with Martin again. | | | |
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