| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… 11:27 - May 31 with 12652 views | MancBlue86 |
that is the same type of player and fits the system? [Post edited 31 May 2023 11:32]
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 19:55 - May 31 with 2715 views | MeltonBlue |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 18:55 - May 31 by Kieran_Knows |
We went for Rogers last January, but couldn’t get a deal done in enough time. Couldn’t tell you if we’ve been back in for him since, however. |
Would fit the profile I’m sure.. might of also been on loan at Bournemouth at the same time as our Leif.. |  | | |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 21:25 - May 31 with 2606 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 19:09 - May 31 by strikalite |
I do like Viktor Gyokeres, cost a bit to get him though... |
Not this again……
He’s going to the prem for about 20 million. |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 23:14 - May 31 with 2540 views | jayessess |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 21:25 - May 31 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Not this again……
He’s going to the prem for about 20 million. |
Right?
Honestly, the only player in the top 10 goalscorers in the Championship we have a cat in hell's chance of signing is Jerry Yates. |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 23:17 - May 31 with 2540 views | tractordownsouth |
Before he signed for Blackburn my answer would have been Niall Ennis. |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 23:27 - May 31 with 2533 views | tractordownsouth |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:35 - May 31 by Asa |
Broadhead, Davis and possibly Walton walk into any of the playoff sides from what I have just seen.
Broadhead in fact was a standout for the almost unchanged Sunderland team that just finished in the playoffs.
Coventry, Luton, Sunderland and Boro are full of top Championship players. We have three I'd say get into those teams, potentially 4-5 already.
So I don't think it's a stretch to say we attracted that quality of player whilst in League One.
Millwall are also one of the smaller budgets in League One. The fact they've got every last drop out of someone like Bradshaw is great. But doesn't mean, with more resources, ambition and as a bigger club, we have to settle for that instead of aiming and attracting a higher starting point to then look to get every drop out of. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:37]
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We're a good side but to say that you could pick half of our players in a combined XI with the Championship playoff teams is a stretch. | |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 23:29 - May 31 with 2530 views | tractordownsouth |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 19:33 - May 31 by cressi |
I mentioned Joeĺ Piroe earlier what about Estupiñán of Hull scored goals last season. |
Hull are loaded, no chance we'd be able to tempt one of their star players to join us. | |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 00:23 - Jun 1 with 2492 views | mutters |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 11:50 - May 31 by Parky |
Jay Stansfield.
Not got a majorly prolific record, but only 20, and looks like he’d suit our style. Not sure if a permanent deal would be achievable, but if so, could be a great investment and one that could definitely be sold for a big fee in the future. |
I think his mum Lisa is looking for him |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 01:15 - Jun 1 with 2482 views | FevsBCFC |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:22 - May 31 by jayessess |
Whatever funding the owners want to put in, there's a hard limit on how much they can sustainably put into the club because of FFP. There's also a status limit. There's only so many places a recently-promoted Championship can realistically source their signings, without having to exceed the market rate for the player.
You look at the successful clubs in the Championship without parachute payments and they're recruiting in the precisely the pools you're turning your nose up at - players leaving relegated Championship teams like Keane, Yates, players who are currently excelling in League One like Bishop, Premier League loanees who just finished their first loan and have the attributes to push on like Scarlett (or Diallo last year!).
Whatever backing we have, we aren't going to miraculously be able to bend the rules to our whim and we'll be recruiting in similar places to everyone else in the division. |
Yep, FFP in the Championship is very different to Lg1/2…although we are still waiting to see how the new FFP rules will be transitioned to.
As it stands, owners can’t put any money in, all they can do is cover losses. As you’ll know, they can’t pump £50m in this summer to find signings.
Your focus should be on smart recruitment, not expensive recruitment.
I am a little surprised that players like Hirst are being mentioned as the answer to match fans ambition for a playoff push though…and then turning noses up at Jerry Yates, who’s proven himself to be capable of scoring goals at this level in a struggling side, notwithstanding his overall team play too.
If I was forking out £3-4m on a striker I’d pick Yates over Hirst every day of the week. I don’t think Hirst is poor, just not at the level of Yates.
I think you’re right too about status. You’ll be finding your place in the pecking order. You may jump that order in some cases, but you’ll do it by paying more. That’s the difference when you’re unable to dwarf teams like you were able to do in League One. |  | | |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 03:07 - Jun 1 with 2455 views | BondiBlue |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:06 - May 31 by Asa |
This thread seems to be conclusive evidence of the sort of scars that the Evans era has left.
We will be one of the best funded sides in the Championship. We will be one of the most ambitious. We have signed half of the Manchester United scouting department. We have seen a newly promoted club, in Sunderland, sign a £37m player on loan. We have seen Town target Evan Ferguson before most here had heard of him only for him to bang goals in in the Premier League.
Yet people are suggesting Colby Bishop, Dane Scarlett and Will Keane (elswhere Macauley Langstaff) as the answer to who will fire us into the Premier League, which is what the owners will be looking to try and do next season.
I'd be surprised if we set our sights as 'low' as Jerry Yates who has just scored 15 goals in the Championship in a relegated side and would be some signing.
Would not be surprised at all to see us go big for Hirst seeing him as a backup and bring in someone that we considered to be even better than him to potentially start games.
When we are THIS good, 98 points, 101 goals and looking every inch a top Championship striker, I cannot see any way the main man is a striker who isn't already deemed a perfect fit for our system. It'll be someone who can win the ball in the air, hold it up, get into the channels, get in behind. Hirst is good in the air, quick, strong and works tirelessly. It's going to be that mould.
We won't be settling for half decent League One strikers, especially not ones that can't do a bit of everything Hirst offers. We won't be getting a top tier scouting department for them to recommend a bloke who looked alright for a month at Portsmouth. [Post edited 31 May 2023 13:33]
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Completely agree with this BUT my only question would be "is our super-duper new recruitment team 100% up to speed?" Or do we still need to set up scouting networks overseas, for example? If so, there might be another year of signing safer bets closer to home. | |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 06:33 - Jun 1 with 2413 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
Tbh, I hope it is Hirst. Whilst there are a few very good options above, they will be expensive. Hirst took a little while to get up to speed. From 11 March onwards, he started in 10 matches and scored 6 times, being taken off around the 70 minute mark. That's good numbers. [Post edited 1 Jun 2023 6:34]
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 07:26 - Jun 1 with 2370 views | textbackup |
Go back in time 5 years and I’m saying Billy Sharpe
Infact fck it, I’d still take him now |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 08:29 - Jun 1 with 2288 views | jayessess |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 01:15 - Jun 1 by FevsBCFC |
Yep, FFP in the Championship is very different to Lg1/2…although we are still waiting to see how the new FFP rules will be transitioned to.
As it stands, owners can’t put any money in, all they can do is cover losses. As you’ll know, they can’t pump £50m in this summer to find signings.
Your focus should be on smart recruitment, not expensive recruitment.
I am a little surprised that players like Hirst are being mentioned as the answer to match fans ambition for a playoff push though…and then turning noses up at Jerry Yates, who’s proven himself to be capable of scoring goals at this level in a struggling side, notwithstanding his overall team play too.
If I was forking out £3-4m on a striker I’d pick Yates over Hirst every day of the week. I don’t think Hirst is poor, just not at the level of Yates.
I think you’re right too about status. You’ll be finding your place in the pecking order. You may jump that order in some cases, but you’ll do it by paying more. That’s the difference when you’re unable to dwarf teams like you were able to do in League One. |
Hirst was really good for us this season and feels like a player who might absolutely fly if he finds the right home. His athleticism, height and strength seems to suit us too.
(I think he'll come cheaper than most are imagining too. No one else is going to put up serious cash for someone with his record) | |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 10:38 - Jun 1 with 2122 views | FevsBCFC |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 08:29 - Jun 1 by jayessess |
Hirst was really good for us this season and feels like a player who might absolutely fly if he finds the right home. His athleticism, height and strength seems to suit us too.
(I think he'll come cheaper than most are imagining too. No one else is going to put up serious cash for someone with his record) |
As you’ll know, there is a big step-up between Lg1 and Championship. I don’t take much notice of his record at Rotherham when he was younger, but his spell at Blackburn (who were going well last season) would give me big doubts.
I think he’s a good “runner”, a presence, but that translates well at Lg1 level (his run at Pompey too confirms that), but not sure it does at Champ level. He’s functional.
But my view is if you are signing players like Hirst, you won’t be pushing aspirations of top-10. I don’t see the player growth or financial upside in 24-year old Hirst either.
Overall, your recruitment is gonna be interesting to watch. You’ll be linked with everyone, this forum is gonna be manic sorting the wheat from the chaff! ðŸ‘🻠| | | |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 10:53 - Jun 1 with 2077 views | chicoazul |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:40 - May 31 by itfcsuth |
Joel Piroe.
Been clinical across two seasons in the Championship now. Still 23 y.o so fits that mould of future sale value. Given Swansea financial difficulties, probably a deal we could get do relatively easy.
Would be my first choice, ahead of George Hirst. |
I don’t think we will sign a player based on why they might be worth in future. You sign players who can improve you now, or project players, or back up if you think it’s needed.
I believe we will bring in 2 CFs, at least one and maybe 2 CMs, a CB, a versatile attacker and a versatile defender. |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 11:00 - Jun 1 with 2034 views | jayessess |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 10:38 - Jun 1 by FevsBCFC |
As you’ll know, there is a big step-up between Lg1 and Championship. I don’t take much notice of his record at Rotherham when he was younger, but his spell at Blackburn (who were going well last season) would give me big doubts.
I think he’s a good “runner”, a presence, but that translates well at Lg1 level (his run at Pompey too confirms that), but not sure it does at Champ level. He’s functional.
But my view is if you are signing players like Hirst, you won’t be pushing aspirations of top-10. I don’t see the player growth or financial upside in 24-year old Hirst either.
Overall, your recruitment is gonna be interesting to watch. You’ll be linked with everyone, this forum is gonna be manic sorting the wheat from the chaff! ðŸ‘🻠|
What you've said above about "smart recruitment" often requires signing players like Hirst though, doesn't it? Players with a big question mark over them, who your recruitment team recognise will thrive in your particular system. | |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 11:38 - Jun 1 with 1942 views | SamWhiteUK |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:40 - May 31 by catch74 |
Maybe Parrott too? |
Troy Parrott? I'm pretty sure I saw PNE fans been slating him this year for being crap. |  | | |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 12:19 - Jun 1 with 1839 views | tractordownsouth |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 10:38 - Jun 1 by FevsBCFC |
As you’ll know, there is a big step-up between Lg1 and Championship. I don’t take much notice of his record at Rotherham when he was younger, but his spell at Blackburn (who were going well last season) would give me big doubts.
I think he’s a good “runner”, a presence, but that translates well at Lg1 level (his run at Pompey too confirms that), but not sure it does at Champ level. He’s functional.
But my view is if you are signing players like Hirst, you won’t be pushing aspirations of top-10. I don’t see the player growth or financial upside in 24-year old Hirst either.
Overall, your recruitment is gonna be interesting to watch. You’ll be linked with everyone, this forum is gonna be manic sorting the wheat from the chaff! ðŸ‘🻠|
Hirst's record in the Championship previously is poor but he only made three starts for Blackburn so I'm not sure that's too much of a problem.
If he does sign I won't be too concerned about him stepping up because so much of his game is in his physicality and fitness, qualities which translate better to higher divisions than technical attributes. How well we do will depend more on whether Broadhead , Chaplin and the midfielders can adjust.
Even if Hirst isn't top end Championship quality (which is a fairly likely outcome) it's not a complete disaster because I think it'll take us a couple of years to be fully competitive at the top of the division anyway. If he's not up to it as the first choice this season, he'll be relegated to the bench for 23-24 with a more established name brought in, as long as the money is still there to do it. | |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 12:20 - Jun 1 with 1837 views | tractordownsouth |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 11:38 - Jun 1 by SamWhiteUK |
Troy Parrott? I'm pretty sure I saw PNE fans been slating him this year for being crap. |
I think I saw a stat saying he had the worst shot to goals ratio of all the strikers in the Championship. | |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:05 - Jun 1 with 1759 views | itfcjoe |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 10:38 - Jun 1 by FevsBCFC |
As you’ll know, there is a big step-up between Lg1 and Championship. I don’t take much notice of his record at Rotherham when he was younger, but his spell at Blackburn (who were going well last season) would give me big doubts.
I think he’s a good “runner”, a presence, but that translates well at Lg1 level (his run at Pompey too confirms that), but not sure it does at Champ level. He’s functional.
But my view is if you are signing players like Hirst, you won’t be pushing aspirations of top-10. I don’t see the player growth or financial upside in 24-year old Hirst either.
Overall, your recruitment is gonna be interesting to watch. You’ll be linked with everyone, this forum is gonna be manic sorting the wheat from the chaff! ðŸ‘🻠|
24 isn't particularly old for the type of forward that Hirst is - I think it is underestimated just quite how sophisticated the style of football we played in the second half of the season was, and how that will translate to the level above.
Hirst was a big part of that - his movement is of a different level to anything you see in that league, he has great physicality and whilst is only slightly above average technically he has a very good all round profile and one that will always be in much demand if he can nail playing that lone forward role in a Champ team compared to a L1 team which I'd back him to do so. |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:18 - Jun 1 with 1726 views | Asa |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 12:19 - Jun 1 by tractordownsouth |
Hirst's record in the Championship previously is poor but he only made three starts for Blackburn so I'm not sure that's too much of a problem.
If he does sign I won't be too concerned about him stepping up because so much of his game is in his physicality and fitness, qualities which translate better to higher divisions than technical attributes. How well we do will depend more on whether Broadhead , Chaplin and the midfielders can adjust.
Even if Hirst isn't top end Championship quality (which is a fairly likely outcome) it's not a complete disaster because I think it'll take us a couple of years to be fully competitive at the top of the division anyway. If he's not up to it as the first choice this season, he'll be relegated to the bench for 23-24 with a more established name brought in, as long as the money is still there to do it. |
Hirst reminds me a bit of how Chris Wood started in many ways, who was basically the same age when we had him on loan.
Wood was 23. Had looked okay at a few clubs in League One (similar to Hirst here and at Pompey) on loan but not done much at West Brom / Leicester (in this case Rotherham / Blackburn) who basically wrote him off.
We got him when he was unfit. He struggled, didn't score and that was that.
He then bangs in an absolute shed loads of goals for Leeds in a system that suited him and was prolific in the Championship for a few years before going to the Premier League and hitting double figures about 5 or 6 years running. He's since had two moves to other Premier League sides.
Whether Hirst goes on to bang them in in the Premier League or not who knows, but I certainly think he's going to go on to be a top drawer Championship striker because he has all the attributes. | | | |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:28 - Jun 1 with 1691 views | cressi |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:18 - Jun 1 by Asa |
Hirst reminds me a bit of how Chris Wood started in many ways, who was basically the same age when we had him on loan.
Wood was 23. Had looked okay at a few clubs in League One (similar to Hirst here and at Pompey) on loan but not done much at West Brom / Leicester (in this case Rotherham / Blackburn) who basically wrote him off.
We got him when he was unfit. He struggled, didn't score and that was that.
He then bangs in an absolute shed loads of goals for Leeds in a system that suited him and was prolific in the Championship for a few years before going to the Premier League and hitting double figures about 5 or 6 years running. He's since had two moves to other Premier League sides.
Whether Hirst goes on to bang them in in the Premier League or not who knows, but I certainly think he's going to go on to be a top drawer Championship striker because he has all the attributes. |
I agree Hirst needs games and up to speed just like Chris Wood I'm sure with a permanent home wherever a bit of love and feel wanted he will do fine in the championship.
If we go and get better that's fantastic. | | | |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:32 - Jun 1 with 1671 views | itfcjoe |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:18 - Jun 1 by Asa |
Hirst reminds me a bit of how Chris Wood started in many ways, who was basically the same age when we had him on loan.
Wood was 23. Had looked okay at a few clubs in League One (similar to Hirst here and at Pompey) on loan but not done much at West Brom / Leicester (in this case Rotherham / Blackburn) who basically wrote him off.
We got him when he was unfit. He struggled, didn't score and that was that.
He then bangs in an absolute shed loads of goals for Leeds in a system that suited him and was prolific in the Championship for a few years before going to the Premier League and hitting double figures about 5 or 6 years running. He's since had two moves to other Premier League sides.
Whether Hirst goes on to bang them in in the Premier League or not who knows, but I certainly think he's going to go on to be a top drawer Championship striker because he has all the attributes. |
I think that somewhat underestimates what Wood had done at the same age.....
By age 22 season
Wood - 1 Premier League goal, 37 Championship goals, 8 League One goals
By age 23 season
Hirst - 19 League One goals | |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:42 - Jun 1 with 1620 views | ipswichtillidie |
| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:32 - Jun 1 by itfcjoe |
I think that somewhat underestimates what Wood had done at the same age.....
By age 22 season
Wood - 1 Premier League goal, 37 Championship goals, 8 League One goals
By age 23 season
Hirst - 19 League One goals |
Hirst is as good as wood was at that age stats regardless. He could be a diamond and obviously liked at the club. I hope we get this one over the mine tbh. Chasing the form player and over spending on a striker isn’t something I’d like to see us do. If Piroe is attainable he would be up there also but unsure of a)fee/availability b) do they need to sell. He’s left foot is a complete wand. |  |
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| If we can’t get Hirst, who is next on your list… on 13:45 - Jun 1 with 1606 views | BlueBlood90 |
I'd like Tom Cannon. |  |
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