| Updated squad... 09:04 - Jun 27 with 7735 views | itfcjoe |
...including Taylor signing and looking at those not involved in pre season yesterday...
GK (3) - Walton, Hladky, Hayes
RB (2) - Clarke, Donacien
LB (2) - Davis, Leigh
CB (3) - Woolfenden, Burgess, Edmundson Baggott*
CM (6) - Morsy, Evans, Ball, Luongo, Camara, Taylor, Humphreys*
W/AM (7) - Burns, Chaplin, Harness, Jackson, Aluko, Edwards, Broadhead
ST (2) - Ladapo, Ahadme
Total (25+2)
Out on Loan (1) - Ndaba
Likely leaving - Permanent or loan (4) - El Miz, Pigott, Harper, Yengi
So with the 4 seemingly on their way out - we are at our 25 man squad limit [Post edited 27 Jun 2023 9:11]
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| Updated squad... on 09:57 - Jun 27 with 1610 views | Daninthecampo |
I can easily see us getting rid of Jackson, Harness, Ahadme and Evans or Ball
Someone like TJJ could cover AM and also completion for the striker role |  | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:00 - Jun 27 with 1592 views | the_toff |
| Updated squad... on 09:36 - Jun 27 by Guthrum |
As regards cashing in, I think any of our players may be vulnerable if a sufficiently large offer came in (say £10m+ for Chaplin from a Prem club). Tho only if it gave significant funds to secure a replacement - and someone suitable was available. I doubt we could or would resist any thing like that. |
Certainly, we'll continue to manage the budget as tightly as possible but in terms of a return to our investors and the FFP. All clubs outside of the big boys are selling clubs to some degree, if the money is right. I can't see stupid money for Ladapo given his age and the likely interest will be from L1 where clubs aren't rolling in cash so it's not likely with him. We might see a few hundred grand as enough to let him go, but only if we have 2 heads here that we fancy ahead of him and see him as 3rd choice for the 1 position.
Someone like Davis is perhaps prone to interest up the chain, especially if he has the sort of season at Championship level as he did last year. | | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:01 - Jun 27 with 1588 views | JakeITFC |
| Updated squad... on 09:38 - Jun 27 by DanTheMan |
See I thought the same about Jackson but then you look at that list of players in W/AM and the two weakest there are Jackson and Aluko.
And I thought Aluko would be the obvious one off but I'm guessing he's being kept around for his experience rather than playing ability. I'd rather keep Jackson between the two but past them, Harness is probably the next you could see going but it seems unlikely.
Tough choices among that bunch. |
I thought there might be a scenario where we’d keep Aluko on but without registering him in our league 25 (with him being a cup regular, training player etc.), but in his interview post-signing he seemed to stress a few times that the amount of playing time he’d be getting was a big consideration in his decision to stay. |  | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:04 - Jun 27 with 1562 views | Mookamoo |
| Updated squad... on 09:40 - Jun 27 by hype313 |
Yep, I'm still perplexed by Aluko, lovely guy, lovely touch but output is non existent, as you say probably more to do with his personality around and to help the youngsters.
Think we'll be quite ruthless, Harness will probably be sacrificed and depending on how ruthless we are, as you say, Jackson could be under threat. |
There were 3 or 4 games before his injury when Aluko was excellent. He and John-Jules were really important early on when we needed someone clever to get the ball with their back to goal and have enough to hold on to it, either to draw the foul or wait for someone to help. |  | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:08 - Jun 27 with 1543 views | WeWereZombies |
| Updated squad... on 10:01 - Jun 27 by JakeITFC |
I thought there might be a scenario where we’d keep Aluko on but without registering him in our league 25 (with him being a cup regular, training player etc.), but in his interview post-signing he seemed to stress a few times that the amount of playing time he’d be getting was a big consideration in his decision to stay. |
Guaranteed starter in cup games but no Championship game time ? |  |
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| Updated squad... on 10:09 - Jun 27 with 1533 views | ReusersTown |
| Updated squad... on 09:57 - Jun 27 by Daninthecampo |
I can easily see us getting rid of Jackson, Harness, Ahadme and Evans or Ball
Someone like TJJ could cover AM and also completion for the striker role |
I would like to see TJJ back. However he is a bit injury prone, which we need to factor in with the 25man squad limit. | | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:10 - Jun 27 with 1534 views | ElderGrizzly |
Ahadme, Harness and Jackson you'd assume are the most vulnerable.
We are 1 CB and 2 Strikers short in my opinion and i've assumed Baggott while not counting towards the 25 will be loaned so not able to provide cover.
We've probably got a couple of loans up our sleeve that are U21 from the PL, so is that a way to work within/around the 25 limit too? |  | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:12 - Jun 27 with 1523 views | wrightsrightglove |
So I can see the final squad looking like:
GK (3) - Walton, Hladky/replacement, Hayes
RB (2) - Clarke, Donacien
LB (2) - Davis, Leigh
CB (4) - Woolfenden, NEW LCB, Burgess, Edmundson
CM (4) - Morsy, Ball, Luongo, Taylor, Humphreys*
W/AM (6) - Burns, Chaplin, NEW AM (TJJ?) Jackson / Aluko, Edwards, Broadhead
ST (3) - Ladapo, NEW ST (Simms?), NEW ST
Camara loan
Evans sold
Harness sold
Ahadme loan / sold
Baggott loan
Potentially Jackson / Aluko - either Jackson sold or Aluko in a coaching role if we want one more addition somewhere | | | |
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| Updated squad... on 10:12 - Jun 27 with 1523 views | JakeITFC |
| Updated squad... on 10:08 - Jun 27 by WeWereZombies |
Guaranteed starter in cup games but no Championship game time ? |
Probably more a role for that type of player in League One with the increased amount of games that come with the pizza cup, but Aluko only started four league games last season and (a huge amount of injuries aside) I can’t see a world in which he’d make more this season. He’s undoubtedly a brilliant guy to have around the place, a great example in training and a model pro, but it just feels like a risky move when you only have 22 outfield league squad places to play with. | | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:16 - Jun 27 with 1495 views | SheffordBlue |
| Updated squad... on 10:08 - Jun 27 by WeWereZombies |
Guaranteed starter in cup games but no Championship game time ? |
We're only guaranteed 2 cup games this time round. Hopefully we'll progress in both the Carabao and FA Cups but that's certainly not a given. Lots of people disliked the Papa Johns Trophy but it was a good way to keep large squads match ready and involved. | |
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| Updated squad... on 10:17 - Jun 27 with 1496 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Updated squad... on 10:10 - Jun 27 by ElderGrizzly |
Ahadme, Harness and Jackson you'd assume are the most vulnerable.
We are 1 CB and 2 Strikers short in my opinion and i've assumed Baggott while not counting towards the 25 will be loaned so not able to provide cover.
We've probably got a couple of loans up our sleeve that are U21 from the PL, so is that a way to work within/around the 25 limit too? |
U21 loanees count towards the limit. | | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:19 - Jun 27 with 1474 views | xrayspecs |
| Updated squad... on 10:10 - Jun 27 by ElderGrizzly |
Ahadme, Harness and Jackson you'd assume are the most vulnerable.
We are 1 CB and 2 Strikers short in my opinion and i've assumed Baggott while not counting towards the 25 will be loaned so not able to provide cover.
We've probably got a couple of loans up our sleeve that are U21 from the PL, so is that a way to work within/around the 25 limit too? |
No, in the champ, U21 loans are counted as senior players, so would be in the 25. | | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:33 - Jun 27 with 1412 views | le2blue |
| Updated squad... on 09:13 - Jun 27 by Guthrum |
I'd be quite surprised if Ladapo goes. Scored a lot last season. Scored a decent number (9) in a struggling Championship team with Rotherham. Well integrated with the squad. Does a good job of holding the ball up for other attacking players.
Edwards and Humphreys I'd have thought we'll be making use of. |
I'd be surprised if he doesn't go. He's not good enough to play in a top champ or lower premier team and doesn't have upside in potential. He was bought in for a specific role, which was to get us out of L1. Our best spell came when he wasn't first choice and given our links with Simms and Hirst I suspect he will be traded as soon as we land them. Off to Charlton. |  | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:38 - Jun 27 with 1383 views | chicoazul |
Stupid question I’m sure, but can we not just not put contracted players in the first team squad? Say for eg Piggott can’t find a move that suits him and decides to see his contract out, not that im saying he will but just for instance, do we then *have* to include him in the 25? Or would he effectively be in purdah or the reserves or U23s or whatever they are now? |  |
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| Updated squad... on 10:39 - Jun 27 with 1373 views | chicoazul |
| Updated squad... on 09:57 - Jun 27 by Daninthecampo |
I can easily see us getting rid of Jackson, Harness, Ahadme and Evans or Ball
Someone like TJJ could cover AM and also completion for the striker role |
Jackson won’t leave, McK loves him. Very versatile and hard working. | |
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| Updated squad... on 10:40 - Jun 27 with 1371 views | hype313 |
| Updated squad... on 10:38 - Jun 27 by chicoazul |
Stupid question I’m sure, but can we not just not put contracted players in the first team squad? Say for eg Piggott can’t find a move that suits him and decides to see his contract out, not that im saying he will but just for instance, do we then *have* to include him in the 25? Or would he effectively be in purdah or the reserves or U23s or whatever they are now? |
Not sure, but bit like Kenlock, even if he's contracted he doesn't have to be put into the 25 man squad. |  |
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| Updated squad... on 10:40 - Jun 27 with 1367 views | itfcsuth |
Strong, balanced and settled group.
Ahadme will make way for another ST, and think at least 1 of Harness, Jackson & Edwards will make way for another W/AM. |  | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:40 - Jun 27 with 1366 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Updated squad... on 10:33 - Jun 27 by le2blue |
I'd be surprised if he doesn't go. He's not good enough to play in a top champ or lower premier team and doesn't have upside in potential. He was bought in for a specific role, which was to get us out of L1. Our best spell came when he wasn't first choice and given our links with Simms and Hirst I suspect he will be traded as soon as we land them. Off to Charlton. |
Interesting, I saw that link to Charlton the other day but didn't think anything of it. |  |
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| Updated squad... on 10:42 - Jun 27 with 1351 views | itfcsuth |
| Updated squad... on 10:40 - Jun 27 by Kieran_Knows |
Interesting, I saw that link to Charlton the other day but didn't think anything of it. |
I don't think he'll move on.
Even if he does become 2nd or 3rd choice - he did some of his best work from the bench last year.
He ultimately scored 17 league goals last season, which was an outstanding return.
To have that option as 2nd/3rd choice would be very good. | | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:42 - Jun 27 with 1350 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Updated squad... on 10:33 - Jun 27 by le2blue |
I'd be surprised if he doesn't go. He's not good enough to play in a top champ or lower premier team and doesn't have upside in potential. He was bought in for a specific role, which was to get us out of L1. Our best spell came when he wasn't first choice and given our links with Simms and Hirst I suspect he will be traded as soon as we land them. Off to Charlton. |
I think Ladapo is more than sufficient as a Championship back up striker. Arguably he was better when Hirst came in, whether that be increased motivation, or performing better as an impact sub. I’d be very surprised to see us bring in TWO high profile strikers since one will inevitably be benched most of the time and there are other positions that need improvement. | | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:47 - Jun 27 with 1320 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Updated squad... on 10:40 - Jun 27 by itfcsuth |
Strong, balanced and settled group.
Ahadme will make way for another ST, and think at least 1 of Harness, Jackson & Edwards will make way for another W/AM. |
Think you are going to be hugely surprised by the movement in both directions this summer. | | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:51 - Jun 27 with 1296 views | xrayspecs |
| Updated squad... on 10:38 - Jun 27 by chicoazul |
Stupid question I’m sure, but can we not just not put contracted players in the first team squad? Say for eg Piggott can’t find a move that suits him and decides to see his contract out, not that im saying he will but just for instance, do we then *have* to include him in the 25? Or would he effectively be in purdah or the reserves or U23s or whatever they are now? |
No, we do not have to include contracted players in 25 man league squad. Kenlock was not in the squad a couple of seasons ago, as an example, and was only available for cup ties.
I cannot see Piggott or Harper sitting around at PR next season, it is in their interests and Town's to find them a new club, even if we end up paying up some of their wages to get them a move. | | | |
| Updated squad... on 10:58 - Jun 27 with 1269 views | LankHenners |
Going to have to be a bit of a shift as we're likely to be bringing in another 4 or 5 at least. Ahadme's surely a loan out, will probably have to lose a couple each from the CM and AM positions which is why, like others, I'm surprised Aluko's still here even if I can understand the desire to have someone with his experience/off-pitch leadership.
Don't think the likes of Evans, Harness and Jackson will be able to make the step up to where we want to be but, for e.g., will we find a club who will pay us what we paid to get Harness in the first place? Doubtful, but might have to accept it was one that didn't really work out and we cut losses to make room for someone else.
Camara's an interesting one as he only has a year left so loaning him probably results in him seeing out his contract but similarly value has depreciated and might be seen as a waste to sell without properly seeing what he can do for us.
Anyway, due to the squad limit we're forced into a one in one out situation really so we'll have to find a way to move people on somehow. |  |
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| Updated squad... on 10:59 - Jun 27 with 1257 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Updated squad... on 10:17 - Jun 27 by tractorboy1978 |
U21 loanees count towards the limit. |
Crapballs | | | |
| Updated squad... on 11:11 - Jun 27 with 1196 views | WeWereZombies |
No need to bring Gus Uhlenbeek's crosses into this... | |
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