| Same old aussies. 12:46 - Jul 2 with 10371 views | redrickstuhaart |
So much for the change of culture post sandpaper cheating. |  | | |  |
| Same old aussies. on 13:44 - Jul 2 with 2128 views | Ftnfwest |
I did like broads little comeback on all that as well! No way he’s going to play nicely back. |  | | |
| Same old aussies. on 13:45 - Jul 2 with 2113 views | chicoazul |
| Same old aussies. on 13:41 - Jul 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I think I read that Cummins had been getting stick back home for being too 'nice.' So that's dealt with that. |
Having watched it a couple times Cummins is the first to comes racing over to Carey to congratulate him. Seems very much like something they decided in advance. |  |
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| Same old aussies. on 13:49 - Jul 2 with 2104 views | BuffaloBill |
| Same old aussies. on 13:45 - Jul 2 by chicoazul |
Having watched it a couple times Cummins is the first to comes racing over to Carey to congratulate him. Seems very much like something they decided in advance. |
Cummins has form. Shame he has such a short memory of the respect that was paid to him recently.
Cheating gobby |  |
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| Same old aussies. on 13:49 - Jul 2 with 2103 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Same old aussies. on 13:45 - Jul 2 by chicoazul |
Having watched it a couple times Cummins is the first to comes racing over to Carey to congratulate him. Seems very much like something they decided in advance. |
Bairstow marks his crease and the Umpire has clearly treated the ball as dead- hes looking down and unclipping caps. | | | |
| Same old aussies. on 13:54 - Jul 2 with 2071 views | Ryorry |
| Same old aussies. on 13:40 - Jul 2 by Herbivore |
Very unsporting from them. They've really riled up Lords, including the members, which takes some doing. It's lit a fire under Stokes as well, knocked off the best part of 50 runs in no time at all. Shame our tail is so long or this might have been fun. |
Yep, and a big mistake to rile up Stokes - I’d just been muttering under my breath “where’s Botham when you need him”! |  |
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| Same old aussies. on 14:14 - Jul 2 with 2042 views | Steve_M |
| Same old aussies. on 13:39 - Jul 2 by Ftnfwest |
Daft by bairstow although a little unsporting but this is an ashes series after all so you do what you can do. If anything it shows they’re rattled but I still think this is a step too far even for stokes, too long a tail, if broad and Robinson can both hang around for long enough then maybe but I think stokes himself will come a cropper eventually |
The real frustration for me is that poor first innings from England, another 60-70 runs then and this innings looks very different.
Just a bit too much to do but, at least, going down fighting keeps the series interesting for another week at least. |  |
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| Same old aussies. on 14:20 - Jul 2 with 2030 views | NthQldITFC |
We're back to 38% to win now! At what point do you ease up and play 'properly' again, or do you just try to ride the wave all the way? |  |
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| Same old aussies. on 14:23 - Jul 2 with 2025 views | Ftnfwest |
| Same old aussies. on 14:14 - Jul 2 by Steve_M |
The real frustration for me is that poor first innings from England, another 60-70 runs then and this innings looks very different.
Just a bit too much to do but, at least, going down fighting keeps the series interesting for another week at least. |
Noticing again that bairstow does actually put a ‘confirming’ foot back in the crease a couple of seconds after each ball in that over before he trots down tap the pitch, though of course not up to him it does indicate he was aware of what he was doing.
Anyway tbh this is all better than I thought before the series, they as often is the case have afar better side than us and bazball basically covers up our lack of test ability, but I wonder how it will,develop once jimmy, B-road, root and stokes are gone (ie the only genuine test players we have) | | | |
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| Same old aussies. on 14:37 - Jul 2 with 1975 views | Ryorry |
| Same old aussies. on 14:14 - Jul 2 by Steve_M |
The real frustration for me is that poor first innings from England, another 60-70 runs then and this innings looks very different.
Just a bit too much to do but, at least, going down fighting keeps the series interesting for another week at least. |
And all those extras ...  | |
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| Same old aussies. on 14:43 - Jul 2 with 1958 views | Ryorry |
| Same old aussies. on 12:57 - Jul 2 by BlueOura |
It is, but its also pretty poor sportsmanship from the Aussies.
They won't care about that of course when they go 2-0 up in the series. |
I think they'd care about being remembered for winning as a result of something not in the spirit of the game though, if it did come to that. The 'no-catch' was an umpiring decision and a different thing altogether. | |
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| Same old aussies. on 14:44 - Jul 2 with 1960 views | NthQldITFC |
Smith tried to get the whole field to come in for Broad on the last ball, Cummins overruled him and the crowd chanted "You're not captain, you're not captain, you're not captain anymore..."
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| Same old aussies. on 15:02 - Jul 2 with 1896 views | Daninthecampo |
We're making a good come back but I would be running these singles we'd only be about 40 behind by now, have to trust Broad he's a good batsman | | | |
| Same old aussies. on 15:07 - Jul 2 with 1876 views | ParisBlue |
| Same old aussies. on 14:14 - Jul 2 by Steve_M |
The real frustration for me is that poor first innings from England, another 60-70 runs then and this innings looks very different.
Just a bit too much to do but, at least, going down fighting keeps the series interesting for another week at least. |
Lyon coming out to bat and adding 15 runs for the last wicket might also be important. |  |
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| Same old aussies. on 15:10 - Jul 2 with 1859 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Same old aussies. on 13:21 - Jul 2 by SitfcB |
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| Same old aussies. on 15:17 - Jul 2 with 1831 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Same old aussies. on 15:02 - Jul 2 by Daninthecampo |
We're making a good come back but I would be running these singles we'd only be about 40 behind by now, have to trust Broad he's a good batsman |
I agree 100%.
Also, Aussies will take new ball when offered, we didn't when we were in exactly the same position in the 1st test. | |
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| Same old aussies. on 15:29 - Jul 2 with 1791 views | Churchman |
| Same old aussies. on 12:59 - Jul 2 by redrickstuhaart |
Much like they didnt care getting an advantage from sandpaper. All that cr ap about being sorry and regreting it afterwards. They only regret getting caught. |
It’s the Australian way. In other words as far as they’re concerned, it doesn’t matter how you win as long as you win.
As you say, the regret was being caught, not filing the ball down with sandpaper. |  | | |
| Same old aussies. on 15:32 - Jul 2 with 1783 views | Daninthecampo |
| Same old aussies. on 15:17 - Jul 2 by Lord_Lucan |
I agree 100%.
Also, Aussies will take new ball when offered, we didn't when we were in exactly the same position in the 1st test. |
Last wicket standing needing 30ish is doable but 68 very unlikely | | | |
| Same old aussies. on 16:38 - Jul 2 with 1651 views | Trequartista |
Is it cheating if its within the rules? It's a shame but modern top class sport shouldn't have loopholes that fall into the category of "spirit of the game". It's not a knockabout in Christchurch Park. |  |
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| Same old aussies. on 16:46 - Jul 2 with 1603 views | longtimefan |
| Same old aussies. on 13:45 - Jul 2 by chicoazul |
Having watched it a couple times Cummins is the first to comes racing over to Carey to congratulate him. Seems very much like something they decided in advance. |
Definitely pre-meditated as at the moment the ball is thrown, Bairstow is still within the crease and moves out after the ball was released. Though technically out, waiting for the final ball of the over to attempt it seems like they were basing it on Bairstow’s expectation that the over was complete, which is a pretty low act. | | | |
| Same old aussies. on 16:50 - Jul 2 with 1591 views | Herbivore |
| Same old aussies. on 16:38 - Jul 2 by Trequartista |
Is it cheating if its within the rules? It's a shame but modern top class sport shouldn't have loopholes that fall into the category of "spirit of the game". It's not a knockabout in Christchurch Park. |
In football, if we were to put the ball out of play because an opponent was injured and they then threw it straight to their centre forward for a tap in when we were expecting the ball back that wouldn't be against the laws of the game. Would you be okay with that happening? |  |
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| Same old aussies. on 17:02 - Jul 2 with 1566 views | WD19 |
| Same old aussies. on 13:41 - Jul 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I think I read that Cummins had been getting stick back home for being too 'nice.' So that's dealt with that. |
I’m far from Bairstow biggest fan, but letting that stand was bang out of order (and also completely unnecessary in the context of the game). Not big and not clever. |  | | |
| It’s interesting how the Aussie pundits seem to be calling it out.. on 17:11 - Jul 2 with 1545 views | unstableblue |
… as unsportsmanlike more than some of the English - Jim Maxwell and Glenn McGrath for example
Aussie captain was trying to avoid and downplay it … but then got a bit triggered… their argument was Bairstow kept leaving his crease
I think if you look at it back, it’s the end of an over, he’s obviously walking up the wicket, and for me the ball just isn’t in play.
I think the Aussies were too embroiled in celebrating and the umpires didn’t give their captain the space and suggestion to turn it around
Leeds is going to be wild!! Need a win |  |
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| Same old aussies. on 17:12 - Jul 2 with 1534 views | stonojnr |
| Same old aussies. on 12:56 - Jul 2 by redrickstuhaart |
We should do an underarm delivery next time, and mankad at every opportunity. If thats how they want to play, you have to do the same. |
I agree on mankadding,though England are the worst for trying to steal runs that way, or put pressure on the other team as they see it.
but underarm deliveries are against the rules in the game now unless theyve agreed by both teams before the game. | | | |
| It’s interesting how the Aussie pundits seem to be calling it out.. on 17:24 - Jul 2 with 1498 views | stonojnr |
| It’s interesting how the Aussie pundits seem to be calling it out.. on 17:11 - Jul 2 by unstableblue |
… as unsportsmanlike more than some of the English - Jim Maxwell and Glenn McGrath for example
Aussie captain was trying to avoid and downplay it … but then got a bit triggered… their argument was Bairstow kept leaving his crease
I think if you look at it back, it’s the end of an over, he’s obviously walking up the wicket, and for me the ball just isn’t in play.
I think the Aussies were too embroiled in celebrating and the umpires didn’t give their captain the space and suggestion to turn it around
Leeds is going to be wild!! Need a win |
but the ball is in play still thats the point, its only considered dead when it is clear to the umpire that both batsmen AND the fielding side consider it dead, throwing the ball at the stumps, the ball is still live whether Bairstow is wandering around the pitch or stuck in his crease at the point of release.
if Carey misses the wicket and the ball goes sailing past all the fielders, would Bairstow and Stokes steal a run or say no its unsporting to run due to a bad throw ? or if it got to the boundary on overthrows ask the umpires to take those runs off because the ball was dead right ?
youll see alot in ODI games, fielders will throw balls at the wicket even when the batsmen are in the crease, and everyone thinks that delivery is done, simply because batsmen do aimlessly wander out of the crease and get out this way. | | | |
| Same old aussies. on 17:25 - Jul 2 with 1485 views | iamatractorboy |
| Same old aussies. on 16:46 - Jul 2 by longtimefan |
Definitely pre-meditated as at the moment the ball is thrown, Bairstow is still within the crease and moves out after the ball was released. Though technically out, waiting for the final ball of the over to attempt it seems like they were basing it on Bairstow’s expectation that the over was complete, which is a pretty low act. |
Agree with this. I don't have much sympathy if a batsman is run out by the bowler when trying to sneak a yard or two before the ball is bowled (mankad?), but Bairstow wasn't trying to gain any sort of advantage there. Within the rules yes, but not something I'd like to see. | | | |
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