| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss 21:40 - Nov 9 with 4965 views | unstableblue |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 10:41 - Nov 10 with 1059 views | EddyJ |
Its funny that the alternative to conservatism is always extreme "socialism".
I'd argue that one of the best governments we have had in "modern" times was the post-war Attlee Labour government. That was probably the closest we ever had to a social democratic government. i.e. soft socialism.
Attlee and Bevan are responsible for the founding of the NHS and the welfare state. Arguably two of the greatest things we have ever done in Britain.
Yet the whole idea of social democracy was killed in the 1980s by Thatcherism/Reganism/neo-liberalism and has never recovered. Even left wing parties follow neo-liberalism, depsite it not benefiting most of society.
The NHS is on its knees today and probably needs a rethink, but the idea that everyone in the country is entitled to healthcare, housing and a minimum quality of life is an idea that seems beyond many politicians today. |  | | |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 11:01 - Nov 10 with 1023 views | jayessess |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 10:32 - Nov 10 by DanTheMan |
Potentially, but it has other issues. I'm not going to vote for someone, however competent they are, if when they get into Parliament they then vote in a way on national issues that are contrary to my own beliefs.
This is exactly why I dislike our current system. Ideally we'd need two votes, one for Parliament and then a local representative. Combining the two doesn't work. |
I think we're fairly dishonest with ourselves as a nation about the nature of our political system. Despite the constituency system, in practice most voters at general elections are choosing who they want to be Prime Minister and most MPs adhere to party discipline in votes.
It's long past time that we just admitted this to ourselves and re-designed the electoral system to reflect that. |  |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 11:03 - Nov 10 with 1021 views | WeWereZombies |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 08:10 - Nov 10 by ElephantintheRoom |
A post like this is blinkered. You are supposed to vote for the most capable candidate who will best represent your constituency - irrespective of the party they represent. |
Also, we do not know what will happen and the next General Election (which may still be a year off) so too soon to make a firm decision on voting intention. For all we know the Conservatives may have a Road to Damascus moment and come up with a Green manifesto, cost it out and make a reasoned argument for a balanced economy that is indifferent to growth but mitigates severely against unnecessary consumerism, provides an unprecedented level of protection for nature and wild places whilst providing a secure route for farmers to risk moving into more sustainable food production and develops a social model that raises the safety net for the disadvantaged and breaks down all barriers to social mobility. But let's face it, they are about as likely to do that as Labour or the Liberal Democrats are. So I guess I will vote Labour in a least worse option case. |  |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 11:26 - Nov 10 with 972 views | baxterbasics |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 10:32 - Nov 10 by DanTheMan |
Potentially, but it has other issues. I'm not going to vote for someone, however competent they are, if when they get into Parliament they then vote in a way on national issues that are contrary to my own beliefs.
This is exactly why I dislike our current system. Ideally we'd need two votes, one for Parliament and then a local representative. Combining the two doesn't work. |
This phenomenon occurs because the executive branch (cabinet) is formed automatically out of the legislature (commons). So long as there is a majority party (and strong whip system) the executive then has control of parliament and the agenda. We are then effectively a dictatorship for five years or until the next election is called.
If you want to change this we could do what the Yanks do and elect the two branches independently and introduce stronger checks and balances. I'm not sure the USA is the greatest example to follow though. [Post edited 10 Nov 2023 11:27]
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 11:27 - Nov 10 with 962 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I think all but the most hardened of Tories will either stay in bed, or do a protest vote. I’m not sure there are too many people eager to vote for corruption, Russian funding, broken public services, and a failing economy.
Then again, last time round plenty of people turned out to vote for a scruffy, privileged, Brexiteer, with a history of bigotry, and Boris… [Post edited 10 Nov 2023 11:31]
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 11:30 - Nov 10 with 952 views | Dubtractor |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 09:56 - Nov 10 by baxterbasics |
Well this doesn't include me because I will not be voting Conservative at the next election, having done so in every general election since 2001. I make no apology for my past choices and stand by them. I am guided by two principles - "It's the economy, stupid" first, and boring basic competency second ("runnin tings") and feel we have been failed on both counts.
I'm not sure who I will vote for yet, unlikely to be Labour, I will scrutinise all the candidates in CS&NI before making the call. But I am at peace with the prospect of a Starmer administration. I hope the Conservatives use their pending long spell in opposition to get their house in order. |
I think I referred to you as our resident hardline tory, or something similar a couple of weeks ago, not meant as a dig but more because you've been consistent open about your political leanings, even down to your user name.
But if 'traditional' tories like you are giving them a wide berth, then you have to question who they think they are appealing to right now. Seems they think the UKIP vote is worth chasing at the expense of everyone else? |  |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 11:42 - Nov 10 with 934 views | ChampionsofInnsbruck |
I would argue if you vote either Conservatives or Labour, the two parties that have monopolised British politics since the early 20th century, and are equally responsible for the mess we are now in, and expect different results, you are probably blinkered, yes.
Todays choice is as limited as it was in 1997, Sir Kier Tory or Red Rishi, yeah either of those two and their centre right, neo-liberal agenda is going to make any difference here. ... have fun with that folks. |  | | |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 11:49 - Nov 10 with 928 views | CoachRob |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 11:03 - Nov 10 by WeWereZombies |
Also, we do not know what will happen and the next General Election (which may still be a year off) so too soon to make a firm decision on voting intention. For all we know the Conservatives may have a Road to Damascus moment and come up with a Green manifesto, cost it out and make a reasoned argument for a balanced economy that is indifferent to growth but mitigates severely against unnecessary consumerism, provides an unprecedented level of protection for nature and wild places whilst providing a secure route for farmers to risk moving into more sustainable food production and develops a social model that raises the safety net for the disadvantaged and breaks down all barriers to social mobility. But let's face it, they are about as likely to do that as Labour or the Liberal Democrats are. So I guess I will vote Labour in a least worse option case. |
I think where I live it will be more about giving my vote to the party most likely to get rid of the Tories, which is the Lib Dems, and I have only ever voted Green or Labour.
You seem well-versed on ecological economics and since this is the only school of economics that attempts to apply the laws of physics, I'd highly recommend an event on Monday called Global Donut Day.
https://doughnuteconomics.org/globaldonutday |  | | |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 11:57 - Nov 10 with 916 views | Ryorry |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 05:09 - Nov 10 by IPS_wich |
There is one other category - and that's 'old'.
Because I have two (let's say 'senior' aged) relatives who will inevitably vote Conservative at the next election and say something along the lines of: 'I know the country is in a mess, but it's nowhere near as bad as the Wilson/Callaghan governments of the 70s'.
Bizarrely, neither vote for the Tories in local elections because they say 'Labour and Lib Dems are much better at running local councils than the Conservatives, but you could never trust them to run the country.'
That, plus none of the homelessness and struggling to make ends meet (that the majority of the country is experiencing) remotely resonates with their experience living in their comfortable, mortgage free, retirement lives in Woodbridge. Genuinely - their biggest political issue is opposing Woodbridge council's intent to pedestrianise large parts of the town. |
I’m in my mid-70s; and none of the three others of the same age in my closest friendship group will be voting for the tories either.
In my constituency Labour Party, from what I’ve seen at least half the members are 60+. There’s an additional Women’s Group which appears to me to be predominantly those in my age group!
I’m sick of the generalisations being serially applied to “old people” tbh. We have minds of our own. And your assumption that all elderly people are wealthy and/or homeowners is manifestly ridiculous. [Post edited 10 Nov 2023 12:17]
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 12:40 - Nov 10 with 857 views | Blueschev |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 11:57 - Nov 10 by Ryorry |
I’m in my mid-70s; and none of the three others of the same age in my closest friendship group will be voting for the tories either.
In my constituency Labour Party, from what I’ve seen at least half the members are 60+. There’s an additional Women’s Group which appears to me to be predominantly those in my age group!
I’m sick of the generalisations being serially applied to “old people” tbh. We have minds of our own. And your assumption that all elderly people are wealthy and/or homeowners is manifestly ridiculous. [Post edited 10 Nov 2023 12:17]
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Everyone who attends my constituency Labour party meeting are really old. Half of them are my old teachers! |  | | |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 12:43 - Nov 10 with 852 views | Blueschev |
Anyone else listen to Naddine Dorries on Jeremy Vine? Absolute lunatic. | | | |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 13:03 - Nov 10 with 820 views | NthQldITFC |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 12:43 - Nov 10 by Blueschev |
Anyone else listen to Naddine Dorries on Jeremy Vine? Absolute lunatic. |
She's not entirely balanced either. |  |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 13:45 - Nov 10 with 767 views | Herbivore |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 09:09 - Nov 10 by VanSaParody |
Better blinkered than blind, deaf & dumb
How dare you tell anyone who you can or in this case, can't vote for.
We've had many warnings from history about Socialist regimes & they never end well, consider that before ever voting Labour again - discuss that if you like! [Post edited 10 Nov 2023 17:25]
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Really poor parody account, no subtlety at all. |  |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 13:52 - Nov 10 with 754 views | Herbivore |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 09:56 - Nov 10 by baxterbasics |
Well this doesn't include me because I will not be voting Conservative at the next election, having done so in every general election since 2001. I make no apology for my past choices and stand by them. I am guided by two principles - "It's the economy, stupid" first, and boring basic competency second ("runnin tings") and feel we have been failed on both counts.
I'm not sure who I will vote for yet, unlikely to be Labour, I will scrutinise all the candidates in CS&NI before making the call. But I am at peace with the prospect of a Starmer administration. I hope the Conservatives use their pending long spell in opposition to get their house in order. |
Not being funny, mate, but you prioritise the economy and competence and yet you chose to vote for Boris Johnson (the antithesis of competence) on a crusade to rush through something that everyone knew would significantly damage the economy. | |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 14:53 - Nov 10 with 715 views | baxterbasics |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 13:52 - Nov 10 by Herbivore |
Not being funny, mate, but you prioritise the economy and competence and yet you chose to vote for Boris Johnson (the antithesis of competence) on a crusade to rush through something that everyone knew would significantly damage the economy. |
The alternative was Corbyn, it was a no-briner to me at the time. | |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 14:59 - Nov 10 with 707 views | Herbivore |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 14:53 - Nov 10 by baxterbasics |
The alternative was Corbyn, it was a no-briner to me at the time. |
Salty.
Seriously though, it seems highly unlikely that Corbyn would have done a worse job. Johnson and what's followed has been a sh!t show on every level. | |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 15:02 - Nov 10 with 704 views | bluelagos |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 09:56 - Nov 10 by baxterbasics |
Well this doesn't include me because I will not be voting Conservative at the next election, having done so in every general election since 2001. I make no apology for my past choices and stand by them. I am guided by two principles - "It's the economy, stupid" first, and boring basic competency second ("runnin tings") and feel we have been failed on both counts.
I'm not sure who I will vote for yet, unlikely to be Labour, I will scrutinise all the candidates in CS&NI before making the call. But I am at peace with the prospect of a Starmer administration. I hope the Conservatives use their pending long spell in opposition to get their house in order. |
... I am guided by two principles - "It's the economy, stupid" first, and boring basic competency second ("runnin tings")
Yet you voted Brexit. Any Bregrets given it is crystal clear Brexit is delivering economic damage to our economy? (4% GDP according to govt) |  |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 15:17 - Nov 10 with 688 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 07:54 - Nov 10 by Powrigan |
Lib Lab Con are all the same.
Promise everything deliver nothing. The country will be just as bad as it is now regardless of who is control. |
I find it astonishing that, after these recent years of
successive Conservative governments systematically dismantling our democratic institutions whilst simultaneously funnelling billions of ££s of public money towards their friends and accomplices, anyone can still trot out the lazy old trope that they're 'all the same'.
It is an utterly stupid comment. |  |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 15:29 - Nov 10 with 679 views | MattinLondon |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 14:53 - Nov 10 by baxterbasics |
The alternative was Corbyn, it was a no-briner to me at the time. |
High inflation, continuous strikes, corruption and poverty going up-and-up. This is what the scare story read when the thought of Corbyn becoming PM was almost a reality. Instead the country got it with the Tories. |  | | |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 15:50 - Nov 10 with 650 views | noggin |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 15:17 - Nov 10 by Tangledupin_Blue |
I find it astonishing that, after these recent years of
successive Conservative governments systematically dismantling our democratic institutions whilst simultaneously funnelling billions of ££s of public money towards their friends and accomplices, anyone can still trot out the lazy old trope that they're 'all the same'.
It is an utterly stupid comment. |
Yeah but someone said it down the pub. |  |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 15:52 - Nov 10 with 639 views | noggin |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 14:53 - Nov 10 by baxterbasics |
The alternative was Corbyn, it was a no-briner to me at the time. |
That's a salty comment. | |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 15:59 - Nov 10 with 623 views | DJR |
This is the similarly named David Davis who is very good when it comes to civil liberties.
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 16:41 - Nov 10 with 565 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 15:50 - Nov 10 by noggin |
Yeah but someone said it down the pub. |
I have a brother who is now in his mid-seventies. He has no interest in politics; doesn't read newspapers, doesn't watch news on tv. Votes Conservative and voted for Brexit; indeed he sees it as his civic duty to vote even though he is politically clueless.
In conversation with my son and I, a couple of years ago, he couldn't name his local MP, Matt Hancock! In the same conversation he came out with it... "They're all the same".
I could fu@king weep! | |
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| If you vote Conservative in the next general election you are blinkered, discuss on 17:36 - Nov 10 with 519 views | VanSaParody |
On this weekend more than any...
Remembrance weekend
I think the original post was an utterly despicable thing to post.
So many fought & died for yours & my freedom...
to freely & democratically elect whichever bunch of incapable buffoons we so choose.
To be told who we can or in this case, can't vote for, is unacceptable.
I refuse to be told who I should or shouldn't vote for & so should you | | | |
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blimey fancy getting the tory gigg on a mainly football forum. 