| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! 08:09 - Dec 21 with 10573 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I know you'll never please everyone. Thing is, I went away regularly back in the day (when we were sh!t) spending £thousands. Then it tailed off for various reasons, mostly having a partner and thinking it's not really fair to go to football every weekend.
These days, though, I'd like to go to the odd away game - especially London games seeing as I live here - but I can't due to not having the points.
Ok, it could be argued those people with the points have collected them fair and square, but really they just happen to have gone to away games more recently. And the thing is, every away ticket they snap up due to having the points ...gives them MORE points, making them more likely to get the next tickets, etc. etc. How am I ever supposed to break into this exclusive club?! Not only am I prevented from getting the tickets, but in the process I'm pushed further and further away from future ones!
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| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:24 - Dec 21 with 1421 views | TresBonne |
Can't be arsed to give my opinion on this as most of it's been covered already, but just wanted to say, genuinely good debate on this thread, not often you get one that's actually entertaining to read! |  | | |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:31 - Dec 21 with 1378 views | lizzibee |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:10 - Dec 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've said in the OP I wanted to go to the odd London game. I also hoped to get to either West Brom or Birmingham. You have no idea about my life, what I can and can't get to and why, so no, you can't say I'm not missing out because I could've gone to Weds and Boro.
This isn't a competition about who's most loyal. You're also speaking about your own specific situation. I'm simply saying a chance, for a few people who don't have the points, is fair. If you have the time and money to get to as many games as you do, then you are lucky. Not everyone is so fortunate. |
Whilst I love your pic (the best album ever) I disagree with your post. I do not have the money but I sacrifice as I have said - I have not had a holiday for two years to fund this.
You also have no idea about my life- I just chose to not eat and go on holiday to get the points so dont judge - its my priority
if you want to see a game - fairly you wont have a chance for London or brum |  | | |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:41 - Dec 21 with 1362 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:31 - Dec 21 by lizzibee |
Whilst I love your pic (the best album ever) I disagree with your post. I do not have the money but I sacrifice as I have said - I have not had a holiday for two years to fund this.
You also have no idea about my life- I just chose to not eat and go on holiday to get the points so dont judge - its my priority
if you want to see a game - fairly you wont have a chance for London or brum |
Where have I judged, or even asked any details about your life?
All I said is you're being very specific to yourself, which you're doing again here. I'm looking at what's a fair system for all.
You chose not to eat in order to get to games?!? I find that very hard to believe, sorry. But again, I don't want details about your life, and I'm not giving them about mine. Whatever you did to get to games is irrelevant. The point is not everyone can get to the long distance games (in order to get the points for other games) whatever their reasons and no-one needs to explain why. | |
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| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:50 - Dec 21 with 1352 views | lizzibee |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:41 - Dec 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Where have I judged, or even asked any details about your life?
All I said is you're being very specific to yourself, which you're doing again here. I'm looking at what's a fair system for all.
You chose not to eat in order to get to games?!? I find that very hard to believe, sorry. But again, I don't want details about your life, and I'm not giving them about mine. Whatever you did to get to games is irrelevant. The point is not everyone can get to the long distance games (in order to get the points for other games) whatever their reasons and no-one needs to explain why. |
the fair system for all is as it stands - those who go to games get priority and to me that's how it should be. It is a fair system - those who attend get the reward
I dont care about your life, in the nicest way - if you went to games you would get tickets | | | |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:53 - Dec 21 with 1348 views | lizzibee |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:41 - Dec 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Where have I judged, or even asked any details about your life?
All I said is you're being very specific to yourself, which you're doing again here. I'm looking at what's a fair system for all.
You chose not to eat in order to get to games?!? I find that very hard to believe, sorry. But again, I don't want details about your life, and I'm not giving them about mine. Whatever you did to get to games is irrelevant. The point is not everyone can get to the long distance games (in order to get the points for other games) whatever their reasons and no-one needs to explain why. |
You have not but you are pleading.
Then system is fair for those who go to games It may not be for all , but it is for those who invest | | | |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:57 - Dec 21 with 1330 views | lizzibee |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:41 - Dec 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Where have I judged, or even asked any details about your life?
All I said is you're being very specific to yourself, which you're doing again here. I'm looking at what's a fair system for all.
You chose not to eat in order to get to games?!? I find that very hard to believe, sorry. But again, I don't want details about your life, and I'm not giving them about mine. Whatever you did to get to games is irrelevant. The point is not everyone can get to the long distance games (in order to get the points for other games) whatever their reasons and no-one needs to explain why. |
Just as a point - you have no idea
yes, I avoid food to pay for tickets for me and lad. I'll feed him but not me - but you believe to the contrary as you known nothing | | | |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:59 - Dec 21 with 1322 views | hoppy |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:53 - Dec 21 by lizzibee |
You have not but you are pleading.
Then system is fair for those who go to games It may not be for all , but it is for those who invest |
But there are probably many who would like to invest, but have very slim chances of actually being able to, given the few tickets that are still available at the lower levels - particularly if wanting seats together. It's a bit like job advertisements that require experience... yet how does one get the experience if not given the chance.
I can see both sides of the argument, and don't know of a completely fair way that suits both ends of the problem. Having said that - it's a good problem to have, as it is purely because of how well we've been playing over the last couple of seasons, and long may it continue! |  |
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| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 01:40 - Dec 22 with 1278 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
Is this a good thread to pose the question: What do we think will be the threshold for Norwich !?!  | | | |
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| The only option you have is…. on 07:35 - Dec 22 with 1211 views | textbackup |
| The only option you have is…. on 08:53 - Dec 21 by Bloots |
….to start going to matches that are “inconvenient” for you.
Buy a membership, rack up half a dozen awkward away matches and start on 11+ points next season.
That would be a start and put you in with a shout next season. |
You mean putting some effort in?! |  |
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| The only option you have is…. on 08:31 - Dec 22 with 1170 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The only option you have is…. on 07:35 - Dec 22 by textbackup |
You mean putting some effort in?! |
You used to be a nice poster. I wonder what happened. | |
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| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 08:32 - Dec 22 with 1169 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:59 - Dec 21 by hoppy |
But there are probably many who would like to invest, but have very slim chances of actually being able to, given the few tickets that are still available at the lower levels - particularly if wanting seats together. It's a bit like job advertisements that require experience... yet how does one get the experience if not given the chance.
I can see both sides of the argument, and don't know of a completely fair way that suits both ends of the problem. Having said that - it's a good problem to have, as it is purely because of how well we've been playing over the last couple of seasons, and long may it continue! |
Thanks Hops. She doesn't seem to be understanding my point, but you put it very well. | |
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| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 08:39 - Dec 22 with 1158 views | Funge |
As an aside, wait til next season for some truly, truly sh1t awaydays.
Stamford Bridge - £60 to be crammed into the corner of that crap Shed end, shouted at by a load of teenage stewards on steroids every time both of your buttocks aren't glued to the very small seat you've hired for 2 hours.
We will beat Chelsea though, so worth it.
Palace and Bournemouth also atrocious.
We'll beat both of them too. |  | | |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 08:39 - Dec 22 with 1151 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 08:29 - Dec 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Yeah with hindsight I probably should've got the membership, but I guess I wondered if it was worth it. I only went to Charlton away last season so didn't really expect to go to many this. Like you say, though, these days you can't just pick and choose a few, you have to go to most and for some, especially with the travel costs to the far flung games on top, it's just not viable. Let alone leaving the missus on her own every weekend!
I met you when I was a regular away-goer... when you were just a wee slip of a lad, wet behind the ears, a dream in your heart and trainers on your feet! |
So Charlton was your fault. Best you stay away! |  |
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| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 08:47 - Dec 22 with 1138 views | bluelagos |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 08:39 - Dec 22 by Funge |
As an aside, wait til next season for some truly, truly sh1t awaydays.
Stamford Bridge - £60 to be crammed into the corner of that crap Shed end, shouted at by a load of teenage stewards on steroids every time both of your buttocks aren't glued to the very small seat you've hired for 2 hours.
We will beat Chelsea though, so worth it.
Palace and Bournemouth also atrocious.
We'll beat both of them too. |
£30 max for away tix in the Prem fortunately
(makes tomorrow's £47 look even more ridiculous) |  |
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| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 08:50 - Dec 22 with 1130 views | tractorboy1978 |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 23:59 - Dec 21 by hoppy |
But there are probably many who would like to invest, but have very slim chances of actually being able to, given the few tickets that are still available at the lower levels - particularly if wanting seats together. It's a bit like job advertisements that require experience... yet how does one get the experience if not given the chance.
I can see both sides of the argument, and don't know of a completely fair way that suits both ends of the problem. Having said that - it's a good problem to have, as it is purely because of how well we've been playing over the last couple of seasons, and long may it continue! |
This membership scheme is just a big money spinner and the problem with that is that the club need to overcomplicate it (in my opinion) to justify it.
The real 'die hards' that have gone to all or most (say 2/3 perhaps) away games shouldn't miss out but personally I see no problem with it being open to everyone after that. I say that as someone with 19 points so there are plenty of people above me in the pecking order and plenty of people below me. I find it a bit sad when you see people with 21 points getting uppity about why they deserve priority over someone with 17 points.
Your point about wanting seats together is spot on. I know somebody mentioned that to Ashton at the fans forum and he said he's looking at it. It's not easy if you want to pick an away game and go as a small group with differing (often marginally one side or the other of a points bracket) priority levels. You end up trying to find other mates with memberships and higher points totals that aren't going, which isn't 'right' when it comes to the current system, but in reality is happening all the time. | | | |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 09:03 - Dec 22 with 1091 views | lizzibee |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 08:32 - Dec 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Thanks Hops. She doesn't seem to be understanding my point, but you put it very well. |
Completely understand. your point. You havent got enough points but want to go to the games closest to where you live (o not boro, Wednesday, Sunderland etc) but annoyed that people who have been to more games this season and last have priority over someone who hasn't been? Seems to sum it up to me | | | |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 09:07 - Dec 22 with 1083 views | USA |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 13:59 - Dec 21 by sjg |
Travelling significant distances is not a badge of honour but is definitely a sign of loyalty?
You should get tickets to all the London games because it's better for the environment... what a great way of sounding selfless in suggesting something completely selfish 
When you ballot 20% of tickets, you're penalising those on the cusp of being in the 80%. If you want to be able to go to the high demand games, do the hard yards in going to places like Middlesbrough that got to general sale. Simples.
The only problem with the ticketing system is that they didn't include points brought forward for those that went to away games last year without a membership. |
What’s wrong with those on the cusp of 80% missing out? You’re all for the ‘most loyal’ and people ‘willing to invest’ and those who have ‘put the effort in’ ie those with the most points getting the tickets. They still would get the tickets. If 20% of the tickets went to a ballot, and those who just missed out are unhappy, then they should’ve been more loyal, invested more and put more effort in to be in the top 80%, shouldn’t they? | |
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| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 09:38 - Dec 22 with 1040 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 09:03 - Dec 22 by lizzibee |
Completely understand. your point. You havent got enough points but want to go to the games closest to where you live (o not boro, Wednesday, Sunderland etc) but annoyed that people who have been to more games this season and last have priority over someone who hasn't been? Seems to sum it up to me |
No. You don't understand my point at all. You've just plucked the bits out of my posts you want to attack and are ignoring the rest (which Hops has succinctly put too).
For starters, I'm not annoyed that people who have been to more games this season and last have priority. I haven't remotely said anything of the sort, you've just made that all up as something to attack. | |
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| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 09:45 - Dec 22 with 1029 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 09:07 - Dec 22 by USA |
What’s wrong with those on the cusp of 80% missing out? You’re all for the ‘most loyal’ and people ‘willing to invest’ and those who have ‘put the effort in’ ie those with the most points getting the tickets. They still would get the tickets. If 20% of the tickets went to a ballot, and those who just missed out are unhappy, then they should’ve been more loyal, invested more and put more effort in to be in the top 80%, shouldn’t they? |
Quite. Most in the thread get it, and understand how it could be fairer for everyone to get a chance, including people who are priced out of getting to the furthest games in order to get points for the games they really want. A few, however, are displaying a very "I'm alright Jack" attitude. | |
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| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 10:24 - Dec 22 with 982 views | Funge |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 08:47 - Dec 22 by bluelagos |
£30 max for away tix in the Prem fortunately
(makes tomorrow's £47 look even more ridiculous) |
I suppose paying £30 to be shouted at by a 17-year old, is a bit better than £60.
In all seriousness, that's good info - nice one BL. | | | |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 10:29 - Dec 22 with 946 views | hoppy |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 10:24 - Dec 22 by Funge |
I suppose paying £30 to be shouted at by a 17-year old, is a bit better than £60.
In all seriousness, that's good info - nice one BL. |
Of course, the actual playing time you get for that £30 is vastly reduced once VAR has its moments to try and make the headlines… | |
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| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 10:40 - Dec 22 with 928 views | brazil1982 |
It's as fair as we can get. My main objection is the price of the membership - ouch. I joined Everton this year simply to get a ticket for Goodison (although they will be playing their next year now), and I got a free pair of socks and a fridge magnet!
If we don't go up and next season we're not so high up in the league then tickets will be easier to get!
The away allocations in the PL are generally larger at 3000 except Brentford, Luton and Bournemouth. |  | | |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 10:57 - Dec 22 with 918 views | skinnybob72 |
Will be interesting when last season’s points drop off and all of those who had a ‘foot up’ from having Gold / Silver membership drop back towards the chasing pack so to speak. That’s when buying a membership this season and getting to whatever games you can this season will be rewarded. | | | |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 11:22 - Dec 22 with 891 views | bluelagos |
| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 10:24 - Dec 22 by Funge |
I suppose paying £30 to be shouted at by a 17-year old, is a bit better than £60.
In all seriousness, that's good info - nice one BL. |
We've got to thank those annoying scoucers that some hate so much. Always about them innit. | |
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| The whole away ticket points system thing - is it fair?! on 17:18 - Dec 22 with 774 views | stonojnr |
Is the system fair ? yes, next question
For in one thread we're complaining about not getting away tickets, in another we're doing roll calls about who is going because we haven't sold out the day before the game
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