| So Williams' Town career is over then? 11:37 - Jan 6 with 6001 views | DublinBlue84 |
Fact he's not playing today says it's all done with. [Post edited 6 Jan 2024 12:59]
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:26 - Jan 6 with 2214 views | Guthrum |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:16 - Jan 6 by BondiBlue |
He's on loan from man u and not playing. There is loads to say! |
He's a young player who's had some good and indifferent moments, picked up a few cards. Just having come from the ManU Youth system doesn't automatically make him a first-on-the-teamsheet world-beater. He's still learning and developing.
Until there is concrete evidence of a poor attitude hampering his progress, I'll continue to give him the benefit of the doubt. |  |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:29 - Jan 6 with 2195 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:10 - Jan 6 by ipswichtillidie |
There is no smoke without fire |
As I've said on here before, stupidest phrase ever. Essentially saying 'all rumours are true'. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:32 - Jan 6 with 2176 views | Guthrum |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:25 - Jan 6 by tractorshark |
Footballer who has played exceptionally well in the first half of the season and presumably costs us quite a lot of money in wages suddenly doesn’t get in the team when we’re riddled with injuries and illness and misses out today in a match that could see him cup tied amid all manner of rumours on social media while the club and local media maintain a blanket of silence…
you’re right, nothing to see here… |
I think 'exceptionally well' is overstating things quite a bit. He put in a few strong tackles and scored a good goal. But that's nothing that Clarke hasn't done, too. He's also got a few cards from over-exuberent tackles (resulting in suspension) and had to be taken off at half time because Watford were all over him. | |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:36 - Jan 6 with 2150 views | NedPlimpton |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:01 - Jan 6 by Wallingford_Boy |
I’d say so, although surely he’d have gone back by now if he was? |
This is the only thing that I find odd. Unless there is no recall, or we're just waiting to make sure we've got enough cover. But he's certainly not going to be part of our plans for the second half of the season |  | | |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:51 - Jan 6 with 2106 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
There are two likely explanations.
1) Man Utd have not given him permission to be cup-tied;
2) He is unavailable for another reason.
Why has he not already gone back to Man Utd and started a week ago and sat on the bench at the start of this week if he is being sent back? |  |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:58 - Jan 6 with 2070 views | tractorshark |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:32 - Jan 6 by Guthrum |
I think 'exceptionally well' is overstating things quite a bit. He put in a few strong tackles and scored a good goal. But that's nothing that Clarke hasn't done, too. He's also got a few cards from over-exuberent tackles (resulting in suspension) and had to be taken off at half time because Watford were all over him. |
Believe what you wish.
I just find it odd that, with so many rumours circulating, no one in the local media has asked the question and no one at the club has simply said it’s all cool, there’s no issue.
I would imagine there’s a very good reason why the media can’t say anything and the club don’t wish to comment on the rumours.
Even if you question my use of the word ‘exceptionally’ what is inescapable is he has definitely not played as much over the past few weeks and there hasn’t been mention of injury or illness involving him. | | | |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 13:02 - Jan 6 with 2039 views | pointofblue |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:58 - Jan 6 by tractorshark |
Believe what you wish.
I just find it odd that, with so many rumours circulating, no one in the local media has asked the question and no one at the club has simply said it’s all cool, there’s no issue.
I would imagine there’s a very good reason why the media can’t say anything and the club don’t wish to comment on the rumours.
Even if you question my use of the word ‘exceptionally’ what is inescapable is he has definitely not played as much over the past few weeks and there hasn’t been mention of injury or illness involving him. |
McKenna mentioned a knock, and that's why he came off against Watford. | |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 13:03 - Jan 6 with 2040 views | NedPlimpton |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:51 - Jan 6 by Nthsuffolkblue |
There are two likely explanations.
1) Man Utd have not given him permission to be cup-tied;
2) He is unavailable for another reason.
Why has he not already gone back to Man Utd and started a week ago and sat on the bench at the start of this week if he is being sent back? |
Because we were desperate for cover | | | |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 13:04 - Jan 6 with 2028 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:58 - Jan 6 by tractorshark |
Believe what you wish.
I just find it odd that, with so many rumours circulating, no one in the local media has asked the question and no one at the club has simply said it’s all cool, there’s no issue.
I would imagine there’s a very good reason why the media can’t say anything and the club don’t wish to comment on the rumours.
Even if you question my use of the word ‘exceptionally’ what is inescapable is he has definitely not played as much over the past few weeks and there hasn’t been mention of injury or illness involving him. |
Started and played 63 minutes a week ago. Did he take a knock before going off? Or was it something that he did on the pitch that means he has been "frozen out"? If that is the case, why did he sit on the bench on Monday? | |
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| So Williams' Town career is over then? on 13:13 - Jan 6 with 1979 views | stickymockwell |
When a player on loan is/has
Been a naughty boy
Injured
Fallen out with the manager
Not good enough
Etc etc
They go back to their parent club like Dane Scarlet
I have no idea when we're doing so well and the spirit is so good that unnecessary rumours fly around. It happened in the 2nd season in the Prem when we went down. It had a real negative impact on the team |  |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 13:18 - Jan 6 with 1947 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 13:03 - Jan 6 by NedPlimpton |
Because we were desperate for cover |
So there is no issue with him aside from the thought that at some point we can sign better?
Or is there such a thing as a disciplinary issue which isn't serious enough to be a disciplinary issue when we need a player but serious enough to send him back when we aren't desperate? That doesn't seem to fit in with the comments from the top. | |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 14:53 - Jan 6 with 1720 views | Guthrum |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 12:58 - Jan 6 by tractorshark |
Believe what you wish.
I just find it odd that, with so many rumours circulating, no one in the local media has asked the question and no one at the club has simply said it’s all cool, there’s no issue.
I would imagine there’s a very good reason why the media can’t say anything and the club don’t wish to comment on the rumours.
Even if you question my use of the word ‘exceptionally’ what is inescapable is he has definitely not played as much over the past few weeks and there hasn’t been mention of injury or illness involving him. |
I don't think the local media can be asking questions based solely on unsourced social media mutterings. Runs quite close to libel/slander if there is no basis for it.
The club aren't going to comment on something like that, unless they had cause to dismiss the player for misconduct. | |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 14:58 - Jan 6 with 1679 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 14:53 - Jan 6 by Guthrum |
I don't think the local media can be asking questions based solely on unsourced social media mutterings. Runs quite close to libel/slander if there is no basis for it.
The club aren't going to comment on something like that, unless they had cause to dismiss the player for misconduct. |
Radio Suffolk asked why he was missing and McKenna said he is ill.
But then the conspiracists still won't believe that either.
Maybe there is more to it, but it seems strange that he is involved in the squad if it is anything more than that we hope to get better or fitter in and will send him back once we have done. | |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 15:03 - Jan 6 with 1638 views | DublinBlue84 |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 14:58 - Jan 6 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Radio Suffolk asked why he was missing and McKenna said he is ill.
But then the conspiracists still won't believe that either.
Maybe there is more to it, but it seems strange that he is involved in the squad if it is anything more than that we hope to get better or fitter in and will send him back once we have done. |
The problem is that since he was ill the first time he's had a few bouts of illness now hasn't he?
I'm not saying the club is covering something up or making a conspiracy theories, but since the first time he was ill, he's been a shadow of the player he was before it and we need to decide if this is going to be a more long term thing, if we should replace him. | |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 15:05 - Jan 6 with 1623 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 15:03 - Jan 6 by DublinBlue84 |
The problem is that since he was ill the first time he's had a few bouts of illness now hasn't he?
I'm not saying the club is covering something up or making a conspiracy theories, but since the first time he was ill, he's been a shadow of the player he was before it and we need to decide if this is going to be a more long term thing, if we should replace him. |
So there is an on-off disciplinary issue that affected him when he was ill before, didn't affect him when he played last or sat on the bench on Monday and is now affecting him again?
You find that more believable than that he was ill, recovered and has now caught the illness that has gone around the squad? | |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 15:09 - Jan 6 with 1593 views | tractorshark |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 14:53 - Jan 6 by Guthrum |
I don't think the local media can be asking questions based solely on unsourced social media mutterings. Runs quite close to libel/slander if there is no basis for it.
The club aren't going to comment on something like that, unless they had cause to dismiss the player for misconduct. |
Not sure asking why a player is missing comes anywhere close to libel or slander.
He’s clearly been missing or not used in matches at a time when Clarke has been managing an Achilles injury. It’s not libel or slander to ask why.
If he’s ill today, he’s ill. But the fact that threads on TWTD have been deleted by Phil just raises suspicions that there is more to it.
Maybe I’m just happy to question things more than you.
But we’ll see what happens. If he remains with us and plays fairly regularly either as a starter or sub, then clearly it was something of nothing.
But right now the situation doesn’t seem to add up for me. | | | |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 15:35 - Jan 6 with 1488 views | Guthrum |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 15:09 - Jan 6 by tractorshark |
Not sure asking why a player is missing comes anywhere close to libel or slander.
He’s clearly been missing or not used in matches at a time when Clarke has been managing an Achilles injury. It’s not libel or slander to ask why.
If he’s ill today, he’s ill. But the fact that threads on TWTD have been deleted by Phil just raises suspicions that there is more to it.
Maybe I’m just happy to question things more than you.
But we’ll see what happens. If he remains with us and plays fairly regularly either as a starter or sub, then clearly it was something of nothing.
But right now the situation doesn’t seem to add up for me. |
I meant local media referring to the rumours of "other stuff". Thay have asked why he isn't playing, previously and today.
The threads may have been deleted by Phil because they are making unsourced insinuations about a Town player, rather than to cover anything up.
Questioning things is all very well, but it's also easy to read too much into an apparently unclear situation. Especially when there are allegations swirling about. | |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 15:39 - Jan 6 with 1469 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 15:09 - Jan 6 by tractorshark |
Not sure asking why a player is missing comes anywhere close to libel or slander.
He’s clearly been missing or not used in matches at a time when Clarke has been managing an Achilles injury. It’s not libel or slander to ask why.
If he’s ill today, he’s ill. But the fact that threads on TWTD have been deleted by Phil just raises suspicions that there is more to it.
Maybe I’m just happy to question things more than you.
But we’ll see what happens. If he remains with us and plays fairly regularly either as a starter or sub, then clearly it was something of nothing.
But right now the situation doesn’t seem to add up for me. |
Phil deletes any threads that are potentially libelous. That doesn't mean there's something in them - if anything it means the opposite!
Also, no-one has remotely suggested 'simply asking why he's not in the team' is potentially libelous.
Your logic is all over the place fella. | |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 16:05 - Jan 6 with 1401 views | tractorshark |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 15:39 - Jan 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Phil deletes any threads that are potentially libelous. That doesn't mean there's something in them - if anything it means the opposite!
Also, no-one has remotely suggested 'simply asking why he's not in the team' is potentially libelous.
Your logic is all over the place fella. |
Fella, no one has officially been asking questions about the situation for the past couple of weeks.
Last week Brenner asked about Donacien and didn’t even mention Williams.
Where’s the logic in that?
I’m not suggesting Phil lets people post what they want and, quite rightly, they should be deleted if there is no substance or could cause legal ramifications. But there is the option to delete individual posts, not entire threads. The majority of those posts weren’t libellous, they were just asking valid questions.
But i would dispute whether the subject of Williams’ absence has been properly approached over the past couple of weeks.
A lot of people, not just me, have been puzzled by it. We can’t all have missed it.
Maybe today has put it to bed. McKenna’s comments suggest he has a future at the club and I genuinely hope he does because he’s a good footballer.
Maybe it was complete nonsense (social media is the Wild West when it comes to regulation). Or maybe it was a minor indiscretion that will or has blown over. Maybe we’ll never know.
All I was saying was it just didn’t add up at the time and the lack of questions and explanation did nothing to dispel the rumours circulating. | | | |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 16:14 - Jan 6 with 1355 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 16:05 - Jan 6 by tractorshark |
Fella, no one has officially been asking questions about the situation for the past couple of weeks.
Last week Brenner asked about Donacien and didn’t even mention Williams.
Where’s the logic in that?
I’m not suggesting Phil lets people post what they want and, quite rightly, they should be deleted if there is no substance or could cause legal ramifications. But there is the option to delete individual posts, not entire threads. The majority of those posts weren’t libellous, they were just asking valid questions.
But i would dispute whether the subject of Williams’ absence has been properly approached over the past couple of weeks.
A lot of people, not just me, have been puzzled by it. We can’t all have missed it.
Maybe today has put it to bed. McKenna’s comments suggest he has a future at the club and I genuinely hope he does because he’s a good footballer.
Maybe it was complete nonsense (social media is the Wild West when it comes to regulation). Or maybe it was a minor indiscretion that will or has blown over. Maybe we’ll never know.
All I was saying was it just didn’t add up at the time and the lack of questions and explanation did nothing to dispel the rumours circulating. |
"All I was saying was it just didn’t add up at the time and the lack of questions and explanation did nothing to dispel the rumours circulating."
Imagine how long it would take if the club had to comment on every rumour that circulated reference the club, just to settle peoples curiosity/barmy behaviour. |  |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 16:24 - Jan 6 with 1311 views | tractorshark |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 16:14 - Jan 6 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"All I was saying was it just didn’t add up at the time and the lack of questions and explanation did nothing to dispel the rumours circulating."
Imagine how long it would take if the club had to comment on every rumour that circulated reference the club, just to settle peoples curiosity/barmy behaviour. |
In this instance, I’d say 30 seconds.
Today’s comments from McKenna probably took that.
The club don’t have to comment on any barmy rumour circulating.
But the local media are allowed to ask questions. And why has Williams not been playing as much recently is not an unreasonable question.
You don’t have to mention social media rumours to ask that. Personally I don’t believe everything I’ve read on Twitter.
But I was curious because he was ahead of Clarke in the pecking order going into December and then he wasn’t. And he seems to have had less game time over Christmas than you would have expected.
If people don’t agree with me or think I’m being unreasonable, that’s fine. You’re entitled to your opinion as am I.
We all have the same common aim and interest and I think everyone would agree a fit and firing Williams is going to be beneficial to the squad going forwards. | | | |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 16:29 - Jan 6 with 1283 views | textbackup |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 11:39 - Jan 6 by pointofblue |
Unless he's got a knock or is ill. |
ill again… ???
Pulls the ‘I don’t feel well’ card more than my missus |  |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 16:48 - Jan 6 with 1184 views | Ryorry |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 15:03 - Jan 6 by DublinBlue84 |
The problem is that since he was ill the first time he's had a few bouts of illness now hasn't he?
I'm not saying the club is covering something up or making a conspiracy theories, but since the first time he was ill, he's been a shadow of the player he was before it and we need to decide if this is going to be a more long term thing, if we should replace him. |
I find all this speculation absolutely ridiculous.
For all you know there may be some family related thing which isn't for public knowledge. |  |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 16:57 - Jan 6 with 1143 views | Nutkins_Return |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 16:29 - Jan 6 by textbackup |
ill again… ???
Pulls the ‘I don’t feel well’ card more than my missus |
He could be struggling post a bout of COVID or something like glandular fever or other lingering issues.
McKenna words were interesting: "Brandon's not had a rhythm for a while in terms of playing and training, so hopefully we’ll get a better run at it in the next few weeks".
The second part of that you just wouldn't say if there was some issue that meant he would be going back/not in our plans. You would just say he was ill. Why would you because it would just raise more questions if he wasn't involved in next few weeks. I really don't think he would have been starting or in squads like he has been if there was anything major in the background. | |
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| So Williams Town career is over then? on 17:03 - Jan 6 with 1123 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| So Williams Town career is over then? on 15:03 - Jan 6 by DublinBlue84 |
The problem is that since he was ill the first time he's had a few bouts of illness now hasn't he?
I'm not saying the club is covering something up or making a conspiracy theories, but since the first time he was ill, he's been a shadow of the player he was before it and we need to decide if this is going to be a more long term thing, if we should replace him. |
Right, and what part are you going to play in that decision once you're in full possession of the facts? | | | |
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