| De Zerbi leaving Brighton 15:36 - May 18 with 22158 views | SitfcB |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 18:31 - May 18 with 3137 views | ibbleobble |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 18:25 - May 18 by positivity |
they're definitely ahead of us at the moment:- established prem team, in europe this year.
we may have greater potential though |
My point was that we’re bigger than them, not ahead. I’ll wager now that we’ll finish above them next season or at worst, there won’t be much in it. I half suspect Brighton’s dalliance in the sunshine has had its day and they’ll be a little obscure next season and very much in Palace’s wake too.
Besides, to the point about a longer stay in the PL, Brighton have only ever had 10-years in the top flight compared to our 26! We have 3 major trophies to their none, the same size stadium and a bigger fan base plus far more European days. [Post edited 18 May 2024 18:56]
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 18:36 - May 18 with 3064 views | Vegtablue |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 17:42 - May 18 by Jimmy86 |
Supposedly his release clause is double the figure reported, which has always been 4 million...
It'll never be between 3-4 million... If it is then they'll have had our pants down, which won't happen under Ashton |
As much as we want the figure to be massive, I doubt McKenna will have agreed to anything which significantly impacts his autonomy over his future. | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 18:38 - May 18 with 3032 views | Battersea_Blue |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 17:59 - May 18 by ITFCBlues |
He has a release clause. They'll need permission from no one |
And you know this how?
Even if there is one, Brighton would still need to ask permission to speak to McK. How would Brighton even know there is a release clause anyway without talking to us?
Additionally, Brighton are an ethical club and would go through the proper channels anyway. | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 18:40 - May 18 with 2997 views | MK1 |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 15:58 - May 18 by Lord_Lucan |
I don’t think KM would be interested personally. I think that’s more of a sideways step.
Also, don’t we have a special relationship with Brighton? |
It is definitely a step up at the moment. Hopefully in a few seasons we will be in a similar position or better, but as we sit here right now, a step up. |  |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 18:51 - May 18 with 2894 views | Lord_Lucan |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 18:40 - May 18 by MK1 |
It is definitely a step up at the moment. Hopefully in a few seasons we will be in a similar position or better, but as we sit here right now, a step up. |
He has a fantastic relationship with Ashton and if he wants something he will get it.
The Yanks don't interfere with him and we are backed tremendously, including the additional money recently come in.
Ed Schwartz was just asked if we were looking for more investment, his reply was that we already had more than enough cash.
The ambition an potential at Ipswich at this time is unprecedented. |  |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 18:59 - May 18 with 2825 views | Daninthecampo |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 18:51 - May 18 by Lord_Lucan |
He has a fantastic relationship with Ashton and if he wants something he will get it.
The Yanks don't interfere with him and we are backed tremendously, including the additional money recently come in.
Ed Schwartz was just asked if we were looking for more investment, his reply was that we already had more than enough cash.
The ambition an potential at Ipswich at this time is unprecedented. |
These are my feelings too, hopefully Kieran feels the same, De Zerbi is leaving mainly because they wont increase the budget and this being after selling 4 players for 200m plus, so for them to step up further its going to be extremely difficult, so much more potential here.
I also cant see him not wanting to test his team in the prem for a season | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 19:01 - May 18 with 2785 views | FrimleyBlue |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 18:51 - May 18 by Lord_Lucan |
He has a fantastic relationship with Ashton and if he wants something he will get it.
The Yanks don't interfere with him and we are backed tremendously, including the additional money recently come in.
Ed Schwartz was just asked if we were looking for more investment, his reply was that we already had more than enough cash.
The ambition an potential at Ipswich at this time is unprecedented. |
I actually don't think most people appreciate the actual potential of this club with these owners and the financial backing they have. They make the glaziers look poor. |  |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 19:09 - May 18 with 2738 views | itfcserbia |
Wow, pleasantly surprised by this read. Mostly sensible and objective comments, must admit. Respect NSC. |  |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 19:17 - May 18 with 2677 views | Churchman |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 19:01 - May 18 by FrimleyBlue |
I actually don't think most people appreciate the actual potential of this club with these owners and the financial backing they have. They make the glaziers look poor. |
In fairness FB, I’m not sure any of us do. We think of free transfers, hoping ex players will grace us by returning, newly promoted L1, pinching ourselves because we are playing the Leeds and Leicesters.
I’m painting a cartoon picture here, but our progress for me is quite disorientating in that I almost have to catch up with what’s happened.
Something like 60,000 people celebrated two days after the magic of Huddersfield. Many more (like myself) would have attended had I been able to. The club’s finances are being transformed by external investment, tv money and probably commercial money.
Nobody, including Ashton and the owners know where it’s going. Three years ago I’d have laughed at the idea of average gates of 25k. I’m on record of saying not that long ago 33k capacity is enough. Really? Because of the potential I think he’ll stay bar an approach from a top club. Brighton are not a top club.
But should KM move on, good luck to him. His call. He has done us proud. But it must not be forgotten that the football club is bigger than him or any individual. I just hope that any decision is made quickly, if it’s not already been done. Uncertainty is a killer. |  | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 19:59 - May 18 with 2528 views | Vegtablue |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 17:32 - May 18 by Churchman |
There is nothing in this for McKenna. He might be able to match what Potter and De Zerbi have done for Brighton, but he might not. He cannot do much better because the potential a club of Brighton’s size has already been realised.
The potential at Ipswich is greater than that of Brighton so why go there? If say the Villa manager went to United and AV came in for Kieran, I could see the attraction. What will be will be.
It’s KMs choice. I hope he stays of course, but if not we are in a far different place now and hopefully the work has been done to identify a possible successor. ITFC will continue to grow. The ownership, upper management structure, club structure is the key to everything. |
The opportunity (to my eyes at least) would be to cement himself in the top flight. Brighton have maybe the 12th biggest wage bill, maybe the 10th best squad. Is he capable of keeping them in these positions in the table, or even pushing them higher? It's an emphatic yes from me, and doing so stylishly would place him firmly in the mix for a top job in 1-2 years' time, much like Potter and De Zerbi. He wouldn't need to turn them into a top 4 or top 6 club in order to attract the elite, just outperform the middle pack in points and performances. Could certainly go wrong if he found himself in a serious relegation scrap, but all the tools are there for Brighton to avoid this.
We're 20th for squad value, no doubt and by a large margin currently. If McKenna remains and we thrive, mid-table finish, how much more satisfying would that be for him and the reward in status would be equivalent to taking Brighton to a European place. If he stays and we just survive, this would still be much more satisfying and a great achievement, genuinely, but it may not be sufficient to open elite doors in 25/26. They'd likely remain ajar and would continue to monitor.
If he stays and we're relegated, all top club doors would close for a period. He may retain interest from the bottom, or someone in the middle, depending on the nature of the relegation, but he could well need to prove himself again in the Championship, like Kompany will probably have to. That's the significant jeopardy as far as I see it, and it doesn't exist for an excellent manager with a mid-table budget. | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 20:14 - May 18 with 2452 views | FrimleyBlue |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 19:17 - May 18 by Churchman |
In fairness FB, I’m not sure any of us do. We think of free transfers, hoping ex players will grace us by returning, newly promoted L1, pinching ourselves because we are playing the Leeds and Leicesters.
I’m painting a cartoon picture here, but our progress for me is quite disorientating in that I almost have to catch up with what’s happened.
Something like 60,000 people celebrated two days after the magic of Huddersfield. Many more (like myself) would have attended had I been able to. The club’s finances are being transformed by external investment, tv money and probably commercial money.
Nobody, including Ashton and the owners know where it’s going. Three years ago I’d have laughed at the idea of average gates of 25k. I’m on record of saying not that long ago 33k capacity is enough. Really? Because of the potential I think he’ll stay bar an approach from a top club. Brighton are not a top club.
But should KM move on, good luck to him. His call. He has done us proud. But it must not be forgotten that the football club is bigger than him or any individual. I just hope that any decision is made quickly, if it’s not already been done. Uncertainty is a killer. |
We are probably 3 years ahead of schedule I reckon. Which is crazy but brilliant.
We've got one of the biggest global pop stars as a sponsor and about to have every single minute of every game broadcast to every country in the world.
2 years ago we were playing Fleetwood.
Crazy. | |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 20:26 - May 18 with 2412 views | Churchman |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 19:59 - May 18 by Vegtablue |
The opportunity (to my eyes at least) would be to cement himself in the top flight. Brighton have maybe the 12th biggest wage bill, maybe the 10th best squad. Is he capable of keeping them in these positions in the table, or even pushing them higher? It's an emphatic yes from me, and doing so stylishly would place him firmly in the mix for a top job in 1-2 years' time, much like Potter and De Zerbi. He wouldn't need to turn them into a top 4 or top 6 club in order to attract the elite, just outperform the middle pack in points and performances. Could certainly go wrong if he found himself in a serious relegation scrap, but all the tools are there for Brighton to avoid this.
We're 20th for squad value, no doubt and by a large margin currently. If McKenna remains and we thrive, mid-table finish, how much more satisfying would that be for him and the reward in status would be equivalent to taking Brighton to a European place. If he stays and we just survive, this would still be much more satisfying and a great achievement, genuinely, but it may not be sufficient to open elite doors in 25/26. They'd likely remain ajar and would continue to monitor.
If he stays and we're relegated, all top club doors would close for a period. He may retain interest from the bottom, or someone in the middle, depending on the nature of the relegation, but he could well need to prove himself again in the Championship, like Kompany will probably have to. That's the significant jeopardy as far as I see it, and it doesn't exist for an excellent manager with a mid-table budget. |
Leicester, Leeds and Southampton were cemented in the Premier League. All the tools and much more were there for them too. All three arguably bigger than Brighton. Certainly the first two. It counts for little.
Squad values? So where was our squad value in the Championship? 16th? Or was that the wage bill?
If we were still in the Championship, I could see the attraction, but are not. We are currently garnering more interest and profile than Brighton. Would he benefit from keeping the pedals turning at Brighton? Doubt it. Will he get them in the Champions League? No chance. We are talking about Brighton, rivals of Crystal Palace, not a Villa sized club. | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 20:58 - May 18 with 2317 views | Vegtablue |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 20:26 - May 18 by Churchman |
Leicester, Leeds and Southampton were cemented in the Premier League. All the tools and much more were there for them too. All three arguably bigger than Brighton. Certainly the first two. It counts for little.
Squad values? So where was our squad value in the Championship? 16th? Or was that the wage bill?
If we were still in the Championship, I could see the attraction, but are not. We are currently garnering more interest and profile than Brighton. Would he benefit from keeping the pedals turning at Brighton? Doubt it. Will he get them in the Champions League? No chance. We are talking about Brighton, rivals of Crystal Palace, not a Villa sized club. |
Budgets and squad talent are important. Suggesting it counts for little is delusional. Apologies for the word choice but I don't know how else to accurately describe it. Any given squad has a ceiling and floor, while McKenna is so sought after because he has delivered this squad close to its ceiling. He wouldn't be attracting such interest if football were a level playing field and all players possessed the same ability. | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 21:16 - May 18 with 2238 views | ArnieM |
If Brighton is such a mega fantastic, massive club that is so forward thinking, and a significantly advanced football club, with the world at its feet etc, etc, why is their manager leaving ? |  |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 21:18 - May 18 with 2223 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 21:16 - May 18 by ArnieM |
If Brighton is such a mega fantastic, massive club that is so forward thinking, and a significantly advanced football club, with the world at its feet etc, etc, why is their manager leaving ? |
Because there are the bigger clubs worldwide. |  | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 21:29 - May 18 with 2138 views | lmfcblue |
Why would he leave us to go to Brighton? The project is massive here | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 21:34 - May 18 with 2114 views | ArnieM |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 21:18 - May 18 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Because there are the bigger clubs worldwide. |
So he wasn’t sacked then? Has he gone to another club yet? | |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 21:37 - May 18 with 2098 views | Daninthecampo |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 21:16 - May 18 by ArnieM |
If Brighton is such a mega fantastic, massive club that is so forward thinking, and a significantly advanced football club, with the world at its feet etc, etc, why is their manager leaving ? |
They won't give him more money for new better players | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 21:41 - May 18 with 2068 views | ibbleobble |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 20:58 - May 18 by Vegtablue |
Budgets and squad talent are important. Suggesting it counts for little is delusional. Apologies for the word choice but I don't know how else to accurately describe it. Any given squad has a ceiling and floor, while McKenna is so sought after because he has delivered this squad close to its ceiling. He wouldn't be attracting such interest if football were a level playing field and all players possessed the same ability. |
That’s a bit of a paradox given we had the 16th biggest wage bill in The Championship and were in the top four all season. Who’s to say what the ceiling is for this squad? KM ripped up the rule book this season and broke the relegated three cartel and let’s not forget, Game Changer have deep pockets.
Would KM have gone to Leicester, Leeds or Southampton in January if the chance came up? He wouldn’t so why would he opt for Brighton now? | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 21:42 - May 18 with 2062 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 21:34 - May 18 by ArnieM |
So he wasn’t sacked then? Has he gone to another club yet? |
He hasn't. But there will have been an announcement. | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 22:06 - May 18 with 1961 views | WeWereZombies |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 19:59 - May 18 by Vegtablue |
The opportunity (to my eyes at least) would be to cement himself in the top flight. Brighton have maybe the 12th biggest wage bill, maybe the 10th best squad. Is he capable of keeping them in these positions in the table, or even pushing them higher? It's an emphatic yes from me, and doing so stylishly would place him firmly in the mix for a top job in 1-2 years' time, much like Potter and De Zerbi. He wouldn't need to turn them into a top 4 or top 6 club in order to attract the elite, just outperform the middle pack in points and performances. Could certainly go wrong if he found himself in a serious relegation scrap, but all the tools are there for Brighton to avoid this.
We're 20th for squad value, no doubt and by a large margin currently. If McKenna remains and we thrive, mid-table finish, how much more satisfying would that be for him and the reward in status would be equivalent to taking Brighton to a European place. If he stays and we just survive, this would still be much more satisfying and a great achievement, genuinely, but it may not be sufficient to open elite doors in 25/26. They'd likely remain ajar and would continue to monitor.
If he stays and we're relegated, all top club doors would close for a period. He may retain interest from the bottom, or someone in the middle, depending on the nature of the relegation, but he could well need to prove himself again in the Championship, like Kompany will probably have to. That's the significant jeopardy as far as I see it, and it doesn't exist for an excellent manager with a mid-table budget. |
You can look at this in a more pessimistic vein, if McKenna goes to Brighton and fails it would be a career catastrophe. Even if we get relegated next season he still has some credibility for what he has achieved in the last two and a half years. |  |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 22:17 - May 18 with 1914 views | Vegtablue |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 21:41 - May 18 by ibbleobble |
That’s a bit of a paradox given we had the 16th biggest wage bill in The Championship and were in the top four all season. Who’s to say what the ceiling is for this squad? KM ripped up the rule book this season and broke the relegated three cartel and let’s not forget, Game Changer have deep pockets.
Would KM have gone to Leicester, Leeds or Southampton in January if the chance came up? He wouldn’t so why would he opt for Brighton now? |
Highly doubtful we placed 16th for wage bill, as an aside. I know FLW and others have us 16th, but we know playing wages in 22/23 were £12.7M, courtesy of our own annual accounts. The idea we reduced the playing wage bill down to the FLW's figure of £8.3M last season is very unrealistic. I've seen other tables placing us slightly above 16th with a wage bill of around £11M, but the truth of the matter is the wage bill has only gone in one direction since Gamechanger arrived. PL promotion bonuses will likely distort the 23/24 figures, but even without them I believe we would have been competitive with the next rung down from parachute clubs.
The depth of Gamechanger's pockets are somewhat immaterial with the current financial landscape, as we're limited by FFP. Brighton's squad is inaccurately valued at £500M, while ours is valued at £50M. Even accounting for extreme innacuracies, it's undeniable that their resources far outstrip ours for now. We're both only allowed to spend our revenue + FFP allowance, so it's unlikely we'll overturn the gap in one summer.
Brighton is a safer bet for building a PL career, but it's also much less rewarding in the near term. I don't predict he'll go, but I can totally understand why he would. In the medium term, I don't believe he'll still be here (or there, at Brighton) on the day we maybe realize the dream of a new Cobbold Stand and all the extra capacity that would deliver. He'll be at an elite club by then, if all's gone to plan. | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 22:25 - May 18 with 1875 views | Vegtablue |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 22:06 - May 18 by WeWereZombies |
You can look at this in a more pessimistic vein, if McKenna goes to Brighton and fails it would be a career catastrophe. Even if we get relegated next season he still has some credibility for what he has achieved in the last two and a half years. |
If he isn't confident in his ability to deliver at least par with Brighton though, he shouldn't really be targeting the level above either. We know he's "highly ambitious", in his own words, and I believe he believes in himself. I hope he believes in himself and us enough to stay the course, as we're undoubtedly an ambitious challenge we'll undoubtedly support him to the best of our abilities (and within the league's financial constraints). | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 22:56 - May 18 with 1787 views | Bugs |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 18:30 - May 18 by strikalite |
He also has a great CEO in Ashton, you can clearly see how well that works, he has everything he wants here right now with no interference, if he leaves now it will always be a case of what if.. |
KMc Leaving now would be Like Leonardo da Vinci half painting the Mona Lisa and not bothering to finish it. |  | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 04:02 - May 19 with 1605 views | Guthrum |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 22:56 - May 18 by Bugs |
KMc Leaving now would be Like Leonardo da Vinci half painting the Mona Lisa and not bothering to finish it. |
Da Vinci never did entirely finish the Mona Lisa. Rather than delivering it to the subject, he kept the painting with him for the rest of his life, working on it a bit more from time to time. Which is how it ended up in France when he moved there. |  |
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