| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… 12:24 - May 20 with 8635 views | SitfcB |
…as Brighton and Man Utd hover.
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| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:04 - May 20 with 2312 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:02 - May 20 by Europablue |
I don't think he's going to leave. I think it's a slur on his character to suggest that he would leave considering the relationships he has here. He has the full backing of the board and he can become a club legend for all time. Maybe if Utd. made him their first choice, that might be tempting. Brighton would have been a real pull if we were struggling in the Championship or just falling short in the playoffs. He turned down Crystal Palace who are in the same bracket as Brighton.
To leave would be a statement that KM doesn't believe in his players and colleagues at ITFC. |
You are wearing blue tinted glasses i'm afraid. We would all stay in his situation because we are emotionally invested. |  | | |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:05 - May 20 with 2300 views | footers |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 12:54 - May 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Sorry. But how does a fee go up but no new manager deal.. its not like players where you can just decide what fee to put on a person. Or am I absolutely wrong in thinking that? |
Are you wrong?
Yes, and often. |  |
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| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:05 - May 20 with 2302 views | PioneerBlue |
Trying to answer the OP.
Let’s assume the release fee is a multiple of salary.
Last year in Champ
c£1m per year x 4 year contract = £4m release
This year in PL with salary increase
c£2m per year x 3 years remaining on contract = £6m release
The actual release clause cost has gone up in this hypothetical scenario. | |
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| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:05 - May 20 with 2304 views | Stewart27 |
The managers fee is pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Beggars belief why clubs are reluctant to actually invest money in a manager in contract. | | | |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:11 - May 20 with 2254 views | SitfcB |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:02 - May 20 by Europablue |
I don't think he's going to leave. I think it's a slur on his character to suggest that he would leave considering the relationships he has here. He has the full backing of the board and he can become a club legend for all time. Maybe if Utd. made him their first choice, that might be tempting. Brighton would have been a real pull if we were struggling in the Championship or just falling short in the playoffs. He turned down Crystal Palace who are in the same bracket as Brighton.
To leave would be a statement that KM doesn't believe in his players and colleagues at ITFC. |
I think it’s delusional to think there’s not a chance be won’t go.
I see both sides.
I can see your point in ‘a slur on his character’ because I feel bad everytime I think he’s gonna leave us because my heart says he wouldn’t do that and wants to have a crack in the Prem with us, but my head says he could be thinking the job it’s done and it’s time to take an opportunity and the next step on the ladder.
Your last point is silly however. [Post edited 20 May 2024 13:12]
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| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:22 - May 20 with 2188 views | Kievthegreat |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:05 - May 20 by Stewart27 |
The managers fee is pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Beggars belief why clubs are reluctant to actually invest money in a manager in contract. |
Because Managers move much more than players do, they are not as stable and they are not viewed as a commodity to be traded in the same way.
If Brighton sign a player for £10m on a 4 year deal, unless there are exceptional circumstances, he either stays for 4 years or get's sold earlier, potentially for a profit (something Brighton are pretty good at).
If they did the same for a manager, there is greater than 50% chance they end up paying extra to pay him off early, because you can't just stick your manager in the reserves or loan him out to take his wages off the wage bill. You can't sell an underperforming manager! |  | | |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:27 - May 20 with 2143 views | BloomBlue |
I wouldn't want to see him leave, but if he does leave then so be it.
Personally I think he's better off staying here, it's a free hit here next season. All so called experts will expect Ipswich to be relegated and therefore if we are it's not going to reflect badly on him. But keep us up, it will only add to his reputation and probably give him an even better chance of moving to a ManU.
If he moves to Brighton then he will need to make sure they finish higher than this season, finish lower and people will be thinking is he really that good.
One season here and he will still have lots of suitors. |  | | |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:31 - May 20 with 2132 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 12:56 - May 20 by _clive_baker_ |
Triggered upon promotion.
Either way its a complete moot point. The blocker to McKenna going will be what he wants to do. I doubt it'll be high enough to be much of a deterrent considering the sort of clubs that he would leave for, if they want him they'll pay it. Doesn't really change much IMO, its just a bit of compensation if he's nabbed. |
Absolutely. If he wants to go, he will. If he doesn't want to go, he won't. Whether it is £4m, £6m or £10m is for the birds really. It's going to hurt like hell and would be an enormous gut punch. But you'd have to trust MA to recruit the right man and we go again. | | | |
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| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:41 - May 20 with 2031 views | Radlett_blue |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 12:37 - May 20 by J2BLUE |
£4m, £8m, £10m, really it's irrelevant now isn't it? Whatever the (realistic) fee would be, it's not enough for what we would be losing. |
That's why clubs poach other clubs' managers, because the cost is a fraction of the loss ensuing if a club is relegated from the Premier League. |  |
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| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:42 - May 20 with 2025 views | Kievthegreat |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:02 - May 20 by Europablue |
I don't think he's going to leave. I think it's a slur on his character to suggest that he would leave considering the relationships he has here. He has the full backing of the board and he can become a club legend for all time. Maybe if Utd. made him their first choice, that might be tempting. Brighton would have been a real pull if we were struggling in the Championship or just falling short in the playoffs. He turned down Crystal Palace who are in the same bracket as Brighton.
To leave would be a statement that KM doesn't believe in his players and colleagues at ITFC. |
I personally think he'll stay, at least for now, but take off the blue specs.
McKenna is going to the top of the game. He will be an elite level manager and at some point that will mean leaving us behind because it is simply impossible for Ipswich to ever muster the budget a Man Utd or Man City can provide unless some Billionaire comes in to splash the cash on a vanity project.
Tottenham can generate £540m in revenue. Next year we will maybe generate £150m, but the underlying numbers are that Tottenham can generate £340m without any TV money and we can generate maybe £50m at the moment? Let's say we do loads of ground redevelopment and get Portman Road up to 50,000, we're still likely to be a long way short of Tottenham, a team people mock because they never win anything! Man Utd or Man City will be able to muster even bigger budgets. McKenna is, unfortunately destined to outgrow us one day.
https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pages/sports-business-group/articles/deloitte-fo
If we look at Brighton, he'd get a better budget, they have better facilities, a better squad, but probably a club operating at close to their ceiling. Their board realise they can't play at the real big boy (top 6ish clubs) table on the same financial footing. They can break in and have good years, but I don't think there is a way for them to stay there and become one of the top clubs, but then that is the same for us.
The reason I don't think he goes and chases that bigger budget with a club that's established in the PL is that this is his project. He has a huge amount of control, he's building the club in a way that he can't do at Brighton. If he went to Brighton he'd trade control over shaping an entire football club for extra budget and I reckon that won't appeal to him.
That same thing is what scares me about United much more than Brighton, because they WANT someone to come in and rebuild the club and I think he'd be bloody good to do it, provided the club got behind him fully like they have here. | | | |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:45 - May 20 with 1988 views | nrb1985 |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 12:49 - May 20 by Skip_Intro |
"If he doesn't achieve higher than 10th, then it'd be argued he's no better than RDZ."
RDZ is being linked with the Bayern and Man Utd jobs...being no better than him could still open more doors than he has open right now... |
Spot on - and the last Brighton manager before RDZ went to Chelsea.
As Joe said on the BM pod yesterday, we can catch Brighton but it would take 5 years maybe more. If you’re KM not sure you want to hang around when it’s on offer now.
Footballing wise it’s a bit of a no brainer for him but I think he stays one more year, mostly out of loyalty to MA for giving him his chance. | | | |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:47 - May 20 with 1964 views | benrhyddingblue |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 12:50 - May 20 by SitfcB |
Just want one more season with him at least, resigned to the fact if he’s here come our first game then he’ll be off next summer. [Post edited 20 May 2024 13:00]
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Not sure why someone would downvote this as at the moment it looks like the best case scenario. Not saying it’s most likely. Basically money will do the talking as it would for anyone of us in a workplace situation like this. | | | |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:49 - May 20 with 1923 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 12:45 - May 20 by dirtyboy |
The fact that the fee is being discussed...
There probably has been contact from Brighton as Ipswich won't have openly disclosed anything like that.
McKenna has a choice to make doesn't he?
Wouldn't blame him for going, but would be hugely disappointed he's not seen through what he started.
To many 'what ifs' for my liking.
Two trains of thought
1 McKenna backs himself do do well at Brighton with realistically better players.
If he doesn't achieve higher than 10th, then it'd be argued he's no better than RDZ.
2 McKenna backs himself to avoid relegation with Ipswich
If he does that, then every dude and their dog knows McKenna is the mutts nuts without question.
Neither of those two scenarios are easy.
Money may well end up being the biggest factor, will we try to fend off that way? |
With or without RDZ, Brighton have reached their realistic ceiling, whereas we haven't.
And I can't get away from the hunch that RDZ was riding Potter's wave for much of his BHA career, and now that's petering out, he's moving on while his stock is high. |  |
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| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:50 - May 20 with 1909 views | portmanking |
I really do hope this is all nipped in the bud by early June. I know it's unrealistic to get Kieran to stay no matter what, but I hope the likes of United and Brighton want to get their house in order fast. If he's headhunted and goes, we need the maximum time for his replacement to bring in his own players. A July exit for McKenna or, worse still, August, would have a really detrimental impact on our pre-season preparation in the biggest season for 22 years. [Post edited 20 May 2024 13:50]
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| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 14:13 - May 20 with 1755 views | bluejacko |
Yet another ‘whatifery’ thread!!just what we need to brighten up the day🙄 | | | |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 14:35 - May 20 with 1644 views | Radlett_blue |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:50 - May 20 by portmanking |
I really do hope this is all nipped in the bud by early June. I know it's unrealistic to get Kieran to stay no matter what, but I hope the likes of United and Brighton want to get their house in order fast. If he's headhunted and goes, we need the maximum time for his replacement to bring in his own players. A July exit for McKenna or, worse still, August, would have a really detrimental impact on our pre-season preparation in the biggest season for 22 years. [Post edited 20 May 2024 13:50]
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We have to get used to this. McKenna has become a hot property & he will be name-tagged for every PL managerial vacancy that come up. This will continue into the season as PL owners dread relegation, unless of course Town are absolute pants next season. | |
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| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 14:53 - May 20 with 1558 views | portmanking |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 14:35 - May 20 by Radlett_blue |
We have to get used to this. McKenna has become a hot property & he will be name-tagged for every PL managerial vacancy that come up. This will continue into the season as PL owners dread relegation, unless of course Town are absolute pants next season. |
I just feel it's all very destabilising. Won't do anything for team morale. Nor will it help recruitment. Why would new prospects sign 4 year deals with a manager 'reportedly' being sounded out by 3, 4 or even 5 other clubs?
It puts our entire preparations in jeopardy. I adore Kieran for what he's done for us. I just pray this doesn't become a merry-go-round for another 2+ months. We can ill-afford that to happen. | | | |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 14:58 - May 20 with 1500 views | midastouch |
McKenna's odds for the Brighton job have plummeted to as low as 1/2 with one bookmaker (at the time of writing), according to Oddschecker.
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/brighton/next-permanent-m
In fact, he's currently odds-on with most other bookies as well.
He was initially priced at 13/8 when Phil first reported his connection to the job. Hopefully, the shift reflects uninformed speculation, although I can't help but wonder if it's reason for concern.
Time will reveal all, soon enough. |  |
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| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 15:03 - May 20 with 1465 views | burnbudgiesburn |
McKenna was 4/7 odds on for the Palace job too | | | |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 15:06 - May 20 with 1453 views | midastouch |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 15:03 - May 20 by burnbudgiesburn |
McKenna was 4/7 odds on for the Palace job too |
They likely won't regret missing out, considering the early success of their new manager. Although, I recall someone mentioning here recently that he's already being linked to Bayern Munich. The managerial carousel appears to be spinning even faster! | |
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| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 15:09 - May 20 with 1431 views | portmanking |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 15:03 - May 20 by burnbudgiesburn |
McKenna was 4/7 odds on for the Palace job too |
He was 1/5 for Palace with Sky Bet at one point.
However, the main odds to be wary of are the Betfair Exchange. McKenna is currently a shade over 2/1 on the Next Brighton Manager market there. Only £800 matched across all potential managers too, so you can see how little you need to wager to move markets. If sustained money comes for McKenna on the exchanges then we can assume it's progressing. | | | |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 15:19 - May 20 with 1393 views | midastouch |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 15:09 - May 20 by portmanking |
He was 1/5 for Palace with Sky Bet at one point.
However, the main odds to be wary of are the Betfair Exchange. McKenna is currently a shade over 2/1 on the Next Brighton Manager market there. Only £800 matched across all potential managers too, so you can see how little you need to wager to move markets. If sustained money comes for McKenna on the exchanges then we can assume it's progressing. |
Currently, only £1,357 has been matched for the next Manchester United manager according to my Betfair. I was quite surprised by this, as I expected there to be significantly more money in play, considering the immense stature of Manchester United.
Just as you said, it appears very tentative and illiquid at the moment. | |
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| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 15:38 - May 20 with 1282 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 13:50 - May 20 by portmanking |
I really do hope this is all nipped in the bud by early June. I know it's unrealistic to get Kieran to stay no matter what, but I hope the likes of United and Brighton want to get their house in order fast. If he's headhunted and goes, we need the maximum time for his replacement to bring in his own players. A July exit for McKenna or, worse still, August, would have a really detrimental impact on our pre-season preparation in the biggest season for 22 years. [Post edited 20 May 2024 13:50]
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Can't see that will happen. All parties will want it resolved and to have their managers in asap for the reasons you've outlined.
It was mid June last year that Maresca got appointed and McKenna signed his new deal so we are still 3-4 weeks away from that point. And we have more prep time before the PL starts than we did last year. | | | |
| Nixon reporting McKenna’s fee has gone up… on 16:49 - May 20 with 1166 views | OldFart71 |
My neighbour who has along with his wife ST's at PR doesn't believe McKenna will go because of unfinished business with Town and that Man Utd are too toxic for him to go there. My belief is he would go to Man Utd and if rumours are correct Chelsea. But not to Brighton. The 4 mill clause is a joke, given how much he means to ITFC, the fans, players, owners and CEO. I know nobody is irreplaceable, but we have had so little of Kieran and we would love at least another two or three years minimum. | | | |
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