| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this 14:55 - Jun 10 with 15040 views | Mullet |
I can imagine if you’re one of their fans you’re attracted to losers, but imagine doing a staged bit to camera like this in your clubs colours.
Hopefully no far right Town fans would go on camera embarrassing the club like this! |  |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:17 - Jun 10 with 2879 views | Herbivore |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:11 - Jun 10 by NeedhamChris |
It's not a political party of Hitler sympathisers though is it - all you're doing is reducing the intelligence of the debate to sub-zero and further entrenching people in the very views you disagree with. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko |  |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:17 - Jun 10 with 2881 views | Mullet |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:09 - Jun 10 by NeedhamChris |
The fact you can't acknowledge a scenario where you could have a beer with someone you disagree with politically - shows a) a complete lack of understanding of how people are convinced to vote for different parties and b) no interest in changing minds, and c) says a lot about your personality.
It's been years now - just dismissing people as having the 'wrong' views doesn't advance the argument and hasn't worked on anything (Brexit/UKIP etc) - but seemingly it's more 'cool' to just shout into a void.
You don't see a lot of posts on here from Reform/Tory posters saying they'd refuse to have a drink with a leftie - I think us on the left should reflect on that. |
I have had beers with people I disagree with politically millions of times, even raving northern soul Tory boy Glassers. One time I think I paid!
He’s not a nazi sympathiser though. Sorry.
I’ve no idea what your mess about Brexit is meant to mean, you just seem to be throwing any old thing in to justify yourself now. You seem to be jumping all over the place to suggest that supporting the same club as someone means we should turn a blind eye to everything else. | |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:22 - Jun 10 with 2852 views | Vic |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 15:28 - Jun 10 by Mullet |
Apart from being about a bloke doing a set-up to camera trying to suggest a link between being a "normal" football fan, who happens to meet National Front Nige and likes what he has to say, Vic. |
Nah - it will get political. I'm set to only see the footie posts so don't really want this stuff creeping in on here.
Phil, please move this over. |  |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:22 - Jun 10 with 2854 views | NedPlimpton |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:11 - Jun 10 by NeedhamChris |
It's not a political party of Hitler sympathisers though is it - all you're doing is reducing the intelligence of the debate to sub-zero and further entrenching people in the very views you disagree with. |
Sorry, a party that includes Hitler sympathisers then
Personally I couldn't engage at any level with someone who would vote reform, regardless of how great the footy chat was |  | | |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:31 - Jun 10 with 2788 views | Europablue |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:22 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
Sorry, a party that includes Hitler sympathisers then
Personally I couldn't engage at any level with someone who would vote reform, regardless of how great the footy chat was |
I'm not aware of anything that makes reform any worse than any other party. Farage is certainly not a Hitler sympathizer. Are you talking about anti-semitism, when you say Hitler sympathizer. It's not very clear what you are saying.
Reform seem to be the only party who are seriously addressing certain issues and if the others aren't addressing those issues, I wouldn't cut ties with friends or family for voting reform. Net zero immigration sounds quite arbitrary to me, but it's better than open boarders. You can't have a social benefit system if you don't have people paying in and if we need to stretch our resources, we have to be prepared for worse services. I couldn't imagine the French system of healthcare could be worse than the NHS.
I would definitely stop engaging with people who refuse to let people have other ideas from them. |  | | |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:34 - Jun 10 with 2764 views | DanTheMan |
There is a key difference in that the party didn't defend the comments made. |  |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:34 - Jun 10 with 2761 views | Europablue |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:22 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
Sorry, a party that includes Hitler sympathisers then
Personally I couldn't engage at any level with someone who would vote reform, regardless of how great the footy chat was |
The great thing is that if you don't get onto political topics, you might never know what your fellow fans think about politics. Going off the political topics on here, you'd imagine that all Ipswich fans are far left lunatics. | | | |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:46 - Jun 10 with 2702 views | Charlie_pl_baxter |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:11 - Jun 10 by NeedhamChris |
It's not a political party of Hitler sympathisers though is it - all you're doing is reducing the intelligence of the debate to sub-zero and further entrenching people in the very views you disagree with. |
Send to be a party of at least one Hitler sympathiser according to the BBC article linked further up. Not just a member but a candidate in fact. |  |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 17:05 - Jun 10 with 2642 views | Mullet |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:16 - Jun 10 by Europablue |
You sound like you could be a socialist, and I could have a beer with you and talk about football. I can't get behind the concept of being a member of a political party because that concept means you have to support every party line even if you don't agree with it. I can vote for a party because they mostly align with me or they are the least worst option.
Being concerned about immigration is not a right wing issue. We all deal with the positive and negative effects of it. The people I find the craziest are those who don't even think there is an issue to consider. |
You seem to be making this about me and you in many respects, let alone putting words in my mouth at every reply; same as everyone else you've replied to in this thread.
Why would I want to discuss football/anything with someone who holds far right views at football? Who said anything about immigration being a (non) issue?
Are you a shy fan of Farage and it's taking you so many posts to get there? I'm not sure being anti-fascist means socialist either. Certainly the socialists I know wouldn't accept me as one. | |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 17:27 - Jun 10 with 2585 views | Herbivore |
Firstly, Azhar Ali was no longer supported by Labour as a candidate at the Rochdale by election following the comments he made, whereas the Reform candidate is being supported by Reform as per their comments contained within the article I kindly linked you to. This is what one might describe as a false equivalence. Second, I'm not voting Labour at this election so well done on shooting twice and missing twice, top work. [Post edited 10 Jun 2024 17:29]
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 17:29 - Jun 10 with 2567 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:34 - Jun 10 by DanTheMan |
There is a key difference in that the party didn't defend the comments made. |
C'mon now. The Labour Party was found responsible for 3 breaches of the equality act in 2020. Up until the current leadership started kicking the loons out of the party, it was engaged in a full scale cover up of anti semitic incidents by its previous leadership.
Let's not pretend any party doesn't have its complete whackjobs. It's not Reforms fault that its candidates are such low quality when the whole thing exists just to stroke Farages big ego. | | | |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 17:35 - Jun 10 with 2527 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 16:31 - Jun 10 by Europablue |
I'm not aware of anything that makes reform any worse than any other party. Farage is certainly not a Hitler sympathizer. Are you talking about anti-semitism, when you say Hitler sympathizer. It's not very clear what you are saying.
Reform seem to be the only party who are seriously addressing certain issues and if the others aren't addressing those issues, I wouldn't cut ties with friends or family for voting reform. Net zero immigration sounds quite arbitrary to me, but it's better than open boarders. You can't have a social benefit system if you don't have people paying in and if we need to stretch our resources, we have to be prepared for worse services. I couldn't imagine the French system of healthcare could be worse than the NHS.
I would definitely stop engaging with people who refuse to let people have other ideas from them. |
"Reform seem to be the only party who are seriously addressing certain issues"
They're not addressing any issues. They're largely a protest movement. Even when they had some influence and a responsibility via their MEPs in their earlier guise as the Brexit Party, they pulled childish stunts in the European Parliament rather than work to improve the lives of European citizens.
The rest doesn't make any sense. |  |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 17:44 - Jun 10 with 2497 views | Herbivore |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 17:35 - Jun 10 by Swansea_Blue |
"Reform seem to be the only party who are seriously addressing certain issues"
They're not addressing any issues. They're largely a protest movement. Even when they had some influence and a responsibility via their MEPs in their earlier guise as the Brexit Party, they pulled childish stunts in the European Parliament rather than work to improve the lives of European citizens.
The rest doesn't make any sense. |
They aren't remotely credible. Farage himself said one of their policies to reduce immigration (processing aylum claims in British overseas territories) was unworkable. They are tapping into people's discontent at the abject state of the country and offering simple solutions that basically blame foreigners for everything. It's transparent and entirely vacuous, but also highly corrosive and depressingly effective. | |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 17:55 - Jun 10 with 2467 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 17:44 - Jun 10 by Herbivore |
They aren't remotely credible. Farage himself said one of their policies to reduce immigration (processing aylum claims in British overseas territories) was unworkable. They are tapping into people's discontent at the abject state of the country and offering simple solutions that basically blame foreigners for everything. It's transparent and entirely vacuous, but also highly corrosive and depressingly effective. |
I thought I'd look through their manifesto. It's nuts. God knows how much all the giveaways to appease their target audience would cost (they give supposed costs, but they look pie in the sky to me). Tax cuts Liz Truss would balk at combined with extra public spending on anything 'non-woke' combined with hamstringing business access to markets and labour combined with fk the environment or anyone who isn't like them.
Crackers. | |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 17:59 - Jun 10 with 2450 views | Herbivore |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 17:55 - Jun 10 by Swansea_Blue |
I thought I'd look through their manifesto. It's nuts. God knows how much all the giveaways to appease their target audience would cost (they give supposed costs, but they look pie in the sky to me). Tax cuts Liz Truss would balk at combined with extra public spending on anything 'non-woke' combined with hamstringing business access to markets and labour combined with fk the environment or anyone who isn't like them.
Crackers. |
Meanwhile, shares in snake oil are through the roof. | |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 18:01 - Jun 10 with 2447 views | MattinLondon |
If hate-preacher Farage says what everyone is thinking how come he’s been defeated in general election after general election? |  | | |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 18:05 - Jun 10 with 2432 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 18:01 - Jun 10 by MattinLondon |
If hate-preacher Farage says what everyone is thinking how come he’s been defeated in general election after general election? |
Just needed a larger sprinkling of Daily Mail and Express glitter dust. I suspect he'll get a bit closer this time as people are more willing to listen to the grift as they get more desperate.
I hope not though, obviously. I very much hope the majority of the UK see through his nonsense however desperate they get. When the going gets tough, people should support each other and not scapegoat parts of society. And buy Bruce Springsteen albums. Apparently he has an upsurge in sales whenever times are hard (although I'm not sure whether that's cause or effect). | |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 18:13 - Jun 10 with 2408 views | Europablue |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 17:05 - Jun 10 by Mullet |
You seem to be making this about me and you in many respects, let alone putting words in my mouth at every reply; same as everyone else you've replied to in this thread.
Why would I want to discuss football/anything with someone who holds far right views at football? Who said anything about immigration being a (non) issue?
Are you a shy fan of Farage and it's taking you so many posts to get there? I'm not sure being anti-fascist means socialist either. Certainly the socialists I know wouldn't accept me as one. |
"putting words in my mouth at every reply; same as everyone else you've replied to in this thread" that sounds like your stock answer. It's a tactic that fools people who don't bother to read things properly. If I respond it escalates, if I don't respond it looks like you shut me up. Just have a free and open conversation without trying to shut people down who say something that slightly challenges your views.
I don't live in England anymore, so I won't vote. I'd consider voting reform if I did. No one else is talking about reforming the NHS. The Conservatives didn't do anything about immigration really. I'm middle class, but I feel like there is no representation for the working class and middle class people like to label working class people racist and then ignore a problem.
In general, it's weird how far right is used to mean something abhorrent, but far left isn't. Both extremes are pretty bad. When I hear people talking about far right, what they actually mean is centre right or right. Farage isn't far right.
The reason I think that almost all Town fans are alright, is because almost all people are alright if you are not fascist about who you associate with. The main point is if you never get into politics you would never know if a Town fan is a abhorrent communist or an abhorrent fascist. | | | |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 18:15 - Jun 10 with 2396 views | Herbivore |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 18:13 - Jun 10 by Europablue |
"putting words in my mouth at every reply; same as everyone else you've replied to in this thread" that sounds like your stock answer. It's a tactic that fools people who don't bother to read things properly. If I respond it escalates, if I don't respond it looks like you shut me up. Just have a free and open conversation without trying to shut people down who say something that slightly challenges your views.
I don't live in England anymore, so I won't vote. I'd consider voting reform if I did. No one else is talking about reforming the NHS. The Conservatives didn't do anything about immigration really. I'm middle class, but I feel like there is no representation for the working class and middle class people like to label working class people racist and then ignore a problem.
In general, it's weird how far right is used to mean something abhorrent, but far left isn't. Both extremes are pretty bad. When I hear people talking about far right, what they actually mean is centre right or right. Farage isn't far right.
The reason I think that almost all Town fans are alright, is because almost all people are alright if you are not fascist about who you associate with. The main point is if you never get into politics you would never know if a Town fan is a abhorrent communist or an abhorrent fascist. |
Waiter, I don't believe I ordered the word soup. | |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 18:17 - Jun 10 with 2393 views | Vic |
See … I said it would get political! And political stuff always ends this way.   | |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 18:20 - Jun 10 with 2375 views | Sharkey |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 15:50 - Jun 10 by Mullet |
I'd hope any decent fan, let alone the club would reflect on it and take a dimmer view; given our captain is Sam Morsy, we've signed Ali whose spoken eloquently about his background and the foundation does sessions with refugees.
Not sure support for a bloke with such an established NF and antisemitic history, friends of far-right across the world and who parodied Nazi propaganda should be welcome anywhere. Especially when football fans are so wedded to things spanning Remembrance Day and various diversity initiatives all season. |
A dimmer view than whom? You give the impression that you think Town are somehow extraordinarily virtuous, but Colchester were quite a bit earlier with football for refugees.
https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/19601162.colchester-united-provides-football
https://www.cu-fc.com/news/2022/october/refugee-football-fixture/ |  | | |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 18:22 - Jun 10 with 2366 views | acj |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 15:51 - Jun 10 by Europablue |
No football club should be associated with a political party, whether I support their policies or not or a political cause. Football is supposed to be a sanctuary from all that nonsense and bring us together. |
While clubs in England aren't generally associated with political parties or ideologies more generally, that's actually something fairly common in some other parts of the world. |  |
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| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 18:24 - Jun 10 with 2353 views | Europablue |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 18:01 - Jun 10 by MattinLondon |
If hate-preacher Farage says what everyone is thinking how come he’s been defeated in general election after general election? |
I've heard a lot of what Farage has said. You might not agree with him, but to call him a hate preacher sounds unhinged. Give some examples of what he said that is so offensive to you.
Did someone say that Farage is saying what everyone is thinking? He's definitely expressing views that are widely held and he will win a big proportion of the vote in the next election.
A lot of people say that we need proportional representation. I personally like the first past the post system. Parties away from the centre are there as bellwethers to lead the centre parties to the left or right depending on the mood in the country.
Some people make Farage out to be a hate-figure, so there is quite a strong force out there to keep him out of power. He has made deals with the Conservatives before. The Conservatives often move towards his way of thinking and convince their voters not to abandon them. People will vote for more extreme parties in the EU elections because there isn't that same concept of electing your direct representative.
I think he well win a seat this time. He was very successful with Brexit. Obviously he has a mixed record. | | | |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 18:27 - Jun 10 with 2337 views | Europablue |
| I bet Col Who are chuffed about this on 18:15 - Jun 10 by Herbivore |
Waiter, I don't believe I ordered the word soup. |
This kind of response that the writer thinks is incredibly witty but has less substance than a ramble is exactly why I try not to waste my time talking politics on this forum and try to stick to football topics. It's like talking to a high school girl's clique. | | | |
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