| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again 21:39 - Jun 29 with 2586 views | thebooks |
Offside by a mm, completely accidental handball. Urgh. Fuück VAR. |  | | |  |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 21:42 - Jun 29 with 2527 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Indeed. |  |
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 21:43 - Jun 29 with 2515 views | Illinoisblue |
It’s a living breathing disgrace. Look at this. Fking scandal.
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 21:48 - Jun 29 with 2444 views | Pique |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 21:43 - Jun 29 by Illinoisblue |
It’s a living breathing disgrace. Look at this. Fking scandal.
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Absolutely ludicrous. |  | | |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 21:49 - Jun 29 with 2423 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 21:43 - Jun 29 by Illinoisblue |
It’s a living breathing disgrace. Look at this. Fking scandal.
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Not sure if i looked away longer than I thought, but did they even show the offside on tele before the goal was chalked off |  |
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:00 - Jun 29 with 2362 views | Miaow |
Michael Oliver decided it would be a good idea to completely ruin this match.
I’m genuinely angered on Denmark’s behalf. [Post edited 29 Jun 2024 23:03]
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:03 - Jun 29 with 2339 views | Linners |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 21:43 - Jun 29 by Illinoisblue |
It’s a living breathing disgrace. Look at this. Fking scandal.
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If you're going to use VAR for offsides, then you have to draw lines and therefore some times people will be offside or onside by tiny margins. There is no other way to do it. The question is, are the clubs/associations brave enough to go back to good old fashioned human error rather than faceless science? (Spoiler: no, they're not) |  | | |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:06 - Jun 29 with 2311 views | Swansea_Blue |
I don’t see the issue. If it’s offside it’s offside. Offside and goal line technology are probably the only areas where you get a definitive black or white answer. No point railing against either of them imo just because you want the underdog to do well. It’s the decisions that need the officials’ discretion where we’re having all the problems. |  |
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:11 - Jun 29 with 2230 views | MattinLondon |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:00 - Jun 29 by Miaow |
Michael Oliver decided it would be a good idea to completely ruin this match.
I’m genuinely angered on Denmark’s behalf. [Post edited 29 Jun 2024 23:03]
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The offside decision isn’t down to him. The handball, though ridiculous, will always be given by refs. |  | | |
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:12 - Jun 29 with 2219 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:06 - Jun 29 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t see the issue. If it’s offside it’s offside. Offside and goal line technology are probably the only areas where you get a definitive black or white answer. No point railing against either of them imo just because you want the underdog to do well. It’s the decisions that need the officials’ discretion where we’re having all the problems. |
Does the semi automated offside have the accuracy to definitively rule on such marginal offsides?
There's always been a lot of questions about how accurate it is in relation to recording the exact millisecond the ball leaves the boot. | |
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:16 - Jun 29 with 2162 views | cooperd5 |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:11 - Jun 29 by MattinLondon |
The offside decision isn’t down to him. The handball, though ridiculous, will always be given by refs. |
I'm a ref and I wouldn't give it. His arm is in a natural position.
VAR got that wrong.
Offside is offside [Post edited 29 Jun 2024 22:19]
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:24 - Jun 29 with 2029 views | BarcaBlue |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:12 - Jun 29 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Does the semi automated offside have the accuracy to definitively rule on such marginal offsides?
There's always been a lot of questions about how accurate it is in relation to recording the exact millisecond the ball leaves the boot. |
Maybe they just need to make the line a tad thicker. Just allow a margin of error |  | | |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:25 - Jun 29 with 2016 views | Miaow |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:11 - Jun 29 by MattinLondon |
The offside decision isn’t down to him. The handball, though ridiculous, will always be given by refs. |
He could have decided to use some common sense and not award a penalty. But he didn’t. | |
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:26 - Jun 29 with 2007 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:12 - Jun 29 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Does the semi automated offside have the accuracy to definitively rule on such marginal offsides?
There's always been a lot of questions about how accurate it is in relation to recording the exact millisecond the ball leaves the boot. |
It looks like it did ok with this example. Got the right decision despite it being a very close call. Mind you, that’s assuming the graphic they showed is actually correct from the precise moment the pass was made (however you define that).
I’d be happy to scrap it, as the margins are getting ridiculous. But with the offside rule as it is, that was a correct decision tonight. | |
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:32 - Jun 29 with 1922 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:16 - Jun 29 by cooperd5 |
I'm a ref and I wouldn't give it. His arm is in a natural position.
VAR got that wrong.
Offside is offside [Post edited 29 Jun 2024 22:19]
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You would be applying the law as written.
How on earth are these morons talking about "recommnded decisions" and interpretations which do not follow what is actually codified in the laws. |  | | |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:32 - Jun 29 with 1896 views | GlasgowBlue |
Is it VAR or is it the stupid handball and offside rules? |  |
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:40 - Jun 29 with 1816 views | lazyblue |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 21:43 - Jun 29 by Illinoisblue |
It’s a living breathing disgrace. Look at this. Fking scandal.
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That’s offside, no issue with that . | | | |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:40 - Jun 29 with 1810 views | Churchman |
VAR. how anyone can justify that abomination is beyond me. However, it gets the ‘right’ teams through for the ‘good of the competition’. Those officials killed that game. Had the incidents been the other way round there would have been no penalty and the first goal would have been allowed.
It was noticeable that awful mug of a ref was booking every Dane he could see by the end, presumably for wearing the wrong coloured shirt, but I suspect to damp down any fight from them.
In my view Denmark were cheated out of this game, just as Coventry were the FA Cup SF. |  | | |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:44 - Jun 29 with 1790 views | Mark |
Football just isn't as enjoyable any more with VAR. It annoys me alongside LED advertising and teams not wearing their traditional shirts and tonight we had all three (Germany in all-white, Italy in all-blue). |  | | |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 00:06 - Jun 30 with 1639 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:12 - Jun 29 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Does the semi automated offside have the accuracy to definitively rule on such marginal offsides?
There's always been a lot of questions about how accurate it is in relation to recording the exact millisecond the ball leaves the boot. |
It's way more accurate then a air of eyes isn't it! So this is absolutely fine. Same for everyone. If we are going to start arguing this then might as well not have offsides. Lino will make way more mistakes.
Handball rule is a joke though. Denmark really were shafted for that. That's rule makers nonsense not really VAR as such. | |
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 00:11 - Jun 30 with 1623 views | Stewart27 |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:11 - Jun 29 by MattinLondon |
The offside decision isn’t down to him. The handball, though ridiculous, will always be given by refs. |
It’s ludicrous.
As soon as they took him to the screen there was no alternative. VAR have completely fooked the offside rule. It’s a completely subjective rule that requires common sense which can now be aided with a video assistant. If that’s rugby there’s a conversation that happens between two intelligent people that goes a little like this.
“You gave no penalty in real play and I’d advise you stick to that decision. On the screen I can see that the ball took the most minimal clip off the defenders finger. It was completely unintentional and the defender gained zero advantage”.
But no he’s taken to a screen where it’s a combination of him bottling it and also sticking to the 197th different version of what’s deemed as handball. | | | |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 07:51 - Jun 30 with 1432 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:26 - Jun 29 by Swansea_Blue |
It looks like it did ok with this example. Got the right decision despite it being a very close call. Mind you, that’s assuming the graphic they showed is actually correct from the precise moment the pass was made (however you define that).
I’d be happy to scrap it, as the margins are getting ridiculous. But with the offside rule as it is, that was a correct decision tonight. |
And that's the issue for me Swansea - for offside, the tech in its current iteration cannot support the level of accuracy it claims to. |  |
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 07:53 - Jun 30 with 1426 views | DistantBlue |
We have had the offside rule in various forms for years and years. The current version of the rule, that if you are ahead of the last defender you are offside and if you’re level you are onside, stems from around 1990 I think. The problem I, and I think many others, have here, is that what we saw between Denmark and Germany was an offside decision that would never have been given without VAR. Without VAR, the player would simply have been seen as being level. Even a German supporter would have looked at the replay and have to have shrugged their shoulders and said, yes, the players are level.
And now we have arrived at a situation where you get these sorts of ‘technical’ offsides, that rely on technology (which we have to assume is correctly installed and adjusted) to enforce decisions that would never have been given in the 70s, 80s, 90s……when I grew up watching the game. That feels kind of difficult to accept. Maybe if you grow up with VAR as a reference point it would be easier, but nobody does really, when you play football at school, in the park, Sunday league etc, there is no VAR. Yes, decisions are sometimes made incorrectly, but I’m really not sure that interpretations of the rules and the way the system works is making the game any better. I particularly hate the way that when the ball now hits the back of the net my first reaction isn’t ‘Yes!!’ or ‘No!!’……but ‘is there a VAR check coming?’ |  | | |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 08:41 - Jun 30 with 1366 views | Wickets |
Yup |  | | |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 10:11 - Jun 30 with 1263 views | TractorWood |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:32 - Jun 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Is it VAR or is it the stupid handball and offside rules? |
Offside is fair enough.
The handball was ridiculous. |  |
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| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 11:56 - Jun 30 with 1184 views | Trequartista |
| Well, that’s VAR ruining football again on 22:06 - Jun 29 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t see the issue. If it’s offside it’s offside. Offside and goal line technology are probably the only areas where you get a definitive black or white answer. No point railing against either of them imo just because you want the underdog to do well. It’s the decisions that need the officials’ discretion where we’re having all the problems. |
Is it offside though. Doesn't the foot make contact with the ball for several milliseconds and therefore there is no such thing as a definitive freeze frame? |  |
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