| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? 21:44 - Jul 3 with 4719 views | Lord_Lucan |
Does anyone else find this a bit weird?
He got into the first team due to an injury and very fair play to him he more than deserved to keep his place.
Hooever - where the hell does he think he can go to that is better than us?
Or.......Have we told him he will be demoted to understudy so he just wants first team football, and if that be in the Championship then so be it.
Hooever hooever - that means he is turning down an obscene Premiership wage????
Surely he doesn't think he can go to another Prem club as No 1 does he???
Confused!
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 21:45 - Jul 3 with 4342 views | ElderGrizzly |
I’ve assumed it the understudy point and nothing else |  | | |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 21:52 - Jul 3 with 4273 views | J2BLUE |
Only a guess but I reckon we couldn't guarantee he would be number one and he was told we would be signing a keeper.
Also, he may now have options he never expected to have with clubs abroad playing in Europe etc. |  |
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 21:58 - Jul 3 with 4200 views | wellsy700 |
My guess is that the issue was with the length of contract. He's 33, so maybe he wanted a 3 year contract whereas we were only prepared to offer a 1 year contract |  |
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 21:59 - Jul 3 with 4172 views | GlasgowBlue |
Length of contract offered would be my guess. Nothing to do with being first choice. |  |
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 22:05 - Jul 3 with 4111 views | mellowblue |
I find it weird, it is his only shot at the premier, hope his agent is guiding him well but does not sound like it. |  | | |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 22:12 - Jul 3 with 4058 views | Lord_Lucan |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 22:05 - Jul 3 by mellowblue |
I find it weird, it is his only shot at the premier, hope his agent is guiding him well but does not sound like it. |
This is what I'm getting at. Even if a one year contract as a No 2, It is a world of difference to where he was 12 months ago. | |
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 22:26 - Jul 3 with 3969 views | Churchman |
You are not the only one. I too have found the whole Hladky thing a bit odd. |  | | |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 22:29 - Jul 3 with 3947 views | Illinoisblue |
I read on Twitter (I know) that his agent was demanding Hladky wages match whoever the highest earner at the club is. To which, if true, the club would have laughed at and said no way, Jose |  |
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 22:40 - Jul 3 with 3877 views | The_Romford_Blue |
I was told there was a bit more to it.
From what I gather, it’s a combination of things from contract length, wage being lower than his agent asked for and actually also that he was of the belief that he’d be able to play for more money at a bigger club. A Celtic or a team abroad of that scope. |  |
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 23:09 - Jul 3 with 3697 views | azuremerlangus |
Probably thought the club would blink first and give in.
I can’t see him getting first choice keeper at a Prem club so I don’t know what he has lined up as his back up plan. Time will tell. |  |
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 00:49 - Jul 4 with 3473 views | bournemouthblue |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 23:09 - Jul 3 by azuremerlangus |
Probably thought the club would blink first and give in.
I can’t see him getting first choice keeper at a Prem club so I don’t know what he has lined up as his back up plan. Time will tell. |
Celtic was the club he was linked with earlier in the year
Could you blame him for wanting to go to a club like that? |  |
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 02:07 - Jul 4 with 3418 views | ParisBlue |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 21:58 - Jul 3 by wellsy700 |
My guess is that the issue was with the length of contract. He's 33, so maybe he wanted a 3 year contract whereas we were only prepared to offer a 1 year contract |
He also won't have been earning big money for the last 10 years. He was at Salford, and St Mirren before that. Back home in Slovakia he was often 2nd choice.
My guess is length of contract and an agent suggesting he'll get better elsewhere. It'll potentially be his first and last big contract. |  |
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 04:48 - Jul 4 with 3284 views | WeWereZombies |
Perhaps McKenna has advised him that w won't be playing out from the back much this coming season and that a new keeper is necessary but the club will free Hladky from contract restraints so that he can make the best move to further his career, which would be a touch of the Alex Ferguson approach. Let players see that being at Ipswich doesn't make you a slave to the club and more players will find us an attractive club to play for. I wonder if Ashton is in accord with that ? |  |
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 06:28 - Jul 4 with 3114 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Put yourself in his shoes. Signs for the club and is instantly replaced. Shunned and resists attempts to force him out. Grabs chance with both hands and is a near player of the year in a promotion team. Sees his manager get a 500% salary increase and probably most of his team mates get huge pay increases - let alone the startling money incomers snaffle. He’s 33 and will probably get a seven figure signing on fee if he goes somewhere like Celtic. Clearly he had an alternative which was closer to his own value of himself.
The only strange thing about it is Ipswich let it happen. It’s potentially disastrous. | |
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 07:31 - Jul 4 with 2946 views | Europa |
A quick scan of the Czech media (and comments underneath the articles) throws up the following: he has hinted at regrets that he didn't take the offer on the table last autumn, he wants to stay in Britain, he simply wouldn't be good enough for the PL anyway, and there's been a lot of talk about his situation/skill level being similar to Fulham's Slovak GK Rodák (first teamer when they won promotion, then dropped in the Premier, then back to number one back in the Championship, then dropped again in the Premier...) |  | | |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 07:35 - Jul 4 with 2922 views | Help |
Celtic |  |
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 07:35 - Jul 4 with 2922 views | Churchman |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 22:40 - Jul 3 by The_Romford_Blue |
I was told there was a bit more to it.
From what I gather, it’s a combination of things from contract length, wage being lower than his agent asked for and actually also that he was of the belief that he’d be able to play for more money at a bigger club. A Celtic or a team abroad of that scope. |
Interesting and makes sense. Decisions like this are rarely made for a single reason.
I’m completely easy on the Hladky situation. I know I’m in the minority, but while he was surprisingly better than I thought he would be I still don’t rate him that highly. I always thought we would need a better keeper for that most crucial position.
Good luck t him - I hope, like Jackson, he finds the club and terms he wants. [Post edited 4 Jul 2024 15:55]
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 08:31 - Jul 4 with 2784 views | Wakh |
I have no insider information but deal with agents regularly (different sport though).
It looks like a fairly normal occurrence of when a contract expiry coincides with an event that triggers contractual change for contracted players, I.e promotion.
Hladkys agents then expect a contract enhancement which is usually unrealistic (they always are when they coincide with promotion, or relegation for that matter). These are often inflated due to potential sign on fees elsewhere.
It appears the cub offered a contract in this case which wasn’t to the agents liking. The agent then either negotiates because he knows it is actually a good offer. Rejects it as he knows he has other options that match expectancies, or stalls to hold the cub to ransom for a while, while bugging up the player elsewhere.
Promotion brings alternatives though. It appears we other options, aren’t playing agents games and have moved on. If that’s so then good on the club and good on Ashton.
Be interesting to see where he ends up to see whether is agents gamble has paid off, I suspect not.
What is interesting is that Elephant in the room; who harks on about finances and player fees etc thinks is potentially dangerous not to fold to agent demands.
I wouldn’t satythere is anything unusual about this at all. Yes a good player but replaceable and replaceable with someone who is more suitable to the long term plan I would imagine. [Post edited 4 Jul 2024 8:35]
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| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 10:50 - Jul 4 with 2554 views | Facefacts |
One reason: Mark Ashton.
To come out with a statement saying Hladky has left is stupid by the club unless they have a new No. 1 keeper lined up.
We need one now or before the Austria trip. Hladky's departure leaves a huge gap and as has been detected we have now had to quietly bring in a goalkeeper from Southend United as a temporary measure.
Ashton has gone out on his own here. There must have been an early fall out with Vas' agent and no one has spoken to Ashton to eat a piece of humble pie and get some improved offer on the table.
We have Christian Walton on a big contract who since his injury and some would say before that doesnt fill with confidence about being ready to be No 1 in the PL. Especially as we went further and further down the road of playing out from the back as Hladky grew in confidence and swagger.
Hladky met McKenna on 10th June and it was clear both wanted him to stay. I know Hladky has his critics and I agree we will be facing more accurate set pieces into the penalty area and long range worldies in the Premier League which will fizz into the top corner, where someone like Cooper from Plymouth at 10 years younger might reach and save, but we will not get a ready made replacement who does not weaken us.
If we are changing our style of play, this needs a whole preseason of work.
It is not too late to go out and get Hladky back, please. But the club has made this a lot harder by saying he's gone. |  | | |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 12:03 - Jul 4 with 2375 views | CBMTOBWMMBG |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 10:50 - Jul 4 by Facefacts |
One reason: Mark Ashton.
To come out with a statement saying Hladky has left is stupid by the club unless they have a new No. 1 keeper lined up.
We need one now or before the Austria trip. Hladky's departure leaves a huge gap and as has been detected we have now had to quietly bring in a goalkeeper from Southend United as a temporary measure.
Ashton has gone out on his own here. There must have been an early fall out with Vas' agent and no one has spoken to Ashton to eat a piece of humble pie and get some improved offer on the table.
We have Christian Walton on a big contract who since his injury and some would say before that doesnt fill with confidence about being ready to be No 1 in the PL. Especially as we went further and further down the road of playing out from the back as Hladky grew in confidence and swagger.
Hladky met McKenna on 10th June and it was clear both wanted him to stay. I know Hladky has his critics and I agree we will be facing more accurate set pieces into the penalty area and long range worldies in the Premier League which will fizz into the top corner, where someone like Cooper from Plymouth at 10 years younger might reach and save, but we will not get a ready made replacement who does not weaken us.
If we are changing our style of play, this needs a whole preseason of work.
It is not too late to go out and get Hladky back, please. But the club has made this a lot harder by saying he's gone. |
Think you've gone too far here. Ashton is juggling many, many options on multiple positions.
Hladky was awesome in the first half of last season, possibly our best player. Less so in 2024: good still, and certainly vital to how we played, but several mistakes too.
I'd have loved him as one of our two goalkeeping options, though at the right price.
He / his agents think they can do better. And if it is about being #1, that is not in Ashton's gift to offer. | | | |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 12:11 - Jul 4 with 2332 views | nrb1985 |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 10:50 - Jul 4 by Facefacts |
One reason: Mark Ashton.
To come out with a statement saying Hladky has left is stupid by the club unless they have a new No. 1 keeper lined up.
We need one now or before the Austria trip. Hladky's departure leaves a huge gap and as has been detected we have now had to quietly bring in a goalkeeper from Southend United as a temporary measure.
Ashton has gone out on his own here. There must have been an early fall out with Vas' agent and no one has spoken to Ashton to eat a piece of humble pie and get some improved offer on the table.
We have Christian Walton on a big contract who since his injury and some would say before that doesnt fill with confidence about being ready to be No 1 in the PL. Especially as we went further and further down the road of playing out from the back as Hladky grew in confidence and swagger.
Hladky met McKenna on 10th June and it was clear both wanted him to stay. I know Hladky has his critics and I agree we will be facing more accurate set pieces into the penalty area and long range worldies in the Premier League which will fizz into the top corner, where someone like Cooper from Plymouth at 10 years younger might reach and save, but we will not get a ready made replacement who does not weaken us.
If we are changing our style of play, this needs a whole preseason of work.
It is not too late to go out and get Hladky back, please. But the club has made this a lot harder by saying he's gone. |
Indeed, from what we've observed so far over the last 3 years, Ashton is both stupid and reckless...
Christ alive. | | | |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 13:05 - Jul 4 with 2200 views | heavyweight |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 06:28 - Jul 4 by ElephantintheRoom |
Put yourself in his shoes. Signs for the club and is instantly replaced. Shunned and resists attempts to force him out. Grabs chance with both hands and is a near player of the year in a promotion team. Sees his manager get a 500% salary increase and probably most of his team mates get huge pay increases - let alone the startling money incomers snaffle. He’s 33 and will probably get a seven figure signing on fee if he goes somewhere like Celtic. Clearly he had an alternative which was closer to his own value of himself.
The only strange thing about it is Ipswich let it happen. It’s potentially disastrous. |
Hladky has only been 1st choice at his club for about 4 seasons over his entire career. He refused a contract & left the Scottish Prem to join Salford in league 2, so he has form for this sort of thing. | | | |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 15:54 - Jul 4 with 2004 views | itfcbam |
To be honest his biggest strength was playing out not necessarily his glove work. 2nd half of the season more errors crept in but was too dangerous to bring Walton back as no time for him to play his way in. Several of Hladky's saves were actually from poor positioning. In the Premier I think he will be exposed. KM might be sticking with Walton as back up as a more solid all round keeper. | | | |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 16:19 - Jul 4 with 1936 views | Churchman |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 10:50 - Jul 4 by Facefacts |
One reason: Mark Ashton.
To come out with a statement saying Hladky has left is stupid by the club unless they have a new No. 1 keeper lined up.
We need one now or before the Austria trip. Hladky's departure leaves a huge gap and as has been detected we have now had to quietly bring in a goalkeeper from Southend United as a temporary measure.
Ashton has gone out on his own here. There must have been an early fall out with Vas' agent and no one has spoken to Ashton to eat a piece of humble pie and get some improved offer on the table.
We have Christian Walton on a big contract who since his injury and some would say before that doesnt fill with confidence about being ready to be No 1 in the PL. Especially as we went further and further down the road of playing out from the back as Hladky grew in confidence and swagger.
Hladky met McKenna on 10th June and it was clear both wanted him to stay. I know Hladky has his critics and I agree we will be facing more accurate set pieces into the penalty area and long range worldies in the Premier League which will fizz into the top corner, where someone like Cooper from Plymouth at 10 years younger might reach and save, but we will not get a ready made replacement who does not weaken us.
If we are changing our style of play, this needs a whole preseason of work.
It is not too late to go out and get Hladky back, please. But the club has made this a lot harder by saying he's gone. |
It’s never ‘one reason’ and we do not know what actually took place or what the club is looking to do on the goalkeeper front. The only noise we’ve had is from Hladky’s side of things. Also, if his contract has expired and he’s no longer an Ipswich player he has left the club. To say so is not stupid, it’s a statement of fact that other clubs will already be aware of. What are they supposed to say?
Secondly, if the club has put a wage value on Hladky and he/his agent think it insufficient, fine. Both parties move on.
Regarding Walton, there was not a peep of criticism levelled at him before his injury. Why should he be any less ready for the PL than Hladky? Personally, I’ve always felt for the PL we needed better than both.
On that, Hladky’s playing out from the back was getting neutralised at times second half of the season. He was getting no time to play out and mistakes were creeping in. In the PL he’d get even less time so the best aspect of his goalkeeping was always going to be neutralised to a large degree. | | | |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 16:44 - Jul 4 with 1843 views | Vegtablue |
| I have not had the time to read this forum at depth of late - so Hladký ??????? on 12:03 - Jul 4 by CBMTOBWMMBG |
Think you've gone too far here. Ashton is juggling many, many options on multiple positions.
Hladky was awesome in the first half of last season, possibly our best player. Less so in 2024: good still, and certainly vital to how we played, but several mistakes too.
I'd have loved him as one of our two goalkeeping options, though at the right price.
He / his agents think they can do better. And if it is about being #1, that is not in Ashton's gift to offer. |
Great summary.
As to Lucan's OP, the signs suggest he wasn't offered an obscene Premiership wage. Best of luck to the bloke. | | | |
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