| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 10:06 - Jul 9 with 1068 views | Pinewoodblue |
It isn’t just a question of opening the door and saying “ off you go” many need help to cope with life outside. Can thr National Probation Service and local authorities cope with any increase in demand for their services? |  |
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| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 10:30 - Jul 9 with 1032 views | baxterbasics |
| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 10:06 - Jul 9 by Pinewoodblue |
It isn’t just a question of opening the door and saying “ off you go” many need help to cope with life outside. Can thr National Probation Service and local authorities cope with any increase in demand for their services? |
I'm only guessing here, but I'd be very surprised if these services were coping as it is. |  |
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| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 10:33 - Jul 9 with 1026 views | Trequartista |
Worrying if true. They should be serving more than 50%, not less. |  |
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| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 10:34 - Jul 9 with 1018 views | Trequartista |
| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 08:28 - Jul 9 by itfcjoe |
What other options are there if prisons are literally full? Need to build more but takes time and no one wants one built near them.
This thing been going on for years rather than build we've just sent fewer and fewer people there, and then let them out earlier |
Novotel? (For low category prisoners) | |
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| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 10:46 - Jul 9 with 973 views | Pinewoodblue |
The Guardian article doesn’t explain where the problem lies.
You can split Prisoners into three categories high risk, low risk & young offenders. Also between men & women. Does anyone understand exactly where the problem is?
Each category has different needs on release. | |
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| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 11:00 - Jul 9 with 939 views | jontysnut |
| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 08:51 - Jul 9 by unbelievablue |
Understandable but not a solution to a real problem.
Plenty of people inside are there for more 'victimless' crimes. Hopefully that is what would be focused on. |
Also people with mental health and addiction problems let down by the run down of support services. |  | | |
| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 11:35 - Jul 9 with 889 views | DJR |
| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 10:46 - Jul 9 by Pinewoodblue |
The Guardian article doesn’t explain where the problem lies.
You can split Prisoners into three categories high risk, low risk & young offenders. Also between men & women. Does anyone understand exactly where the problem is?
Each category has different needs on release. |
Here's an interesting recent article from Unison, which suggests MoJ control isn't the answer.
https://www.unison.org.uk/news/article/2024/06/opinion-10-reasons-why-the-civil- |  | | |
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| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 11:39 - Jul 9 with 877 views | factual_blue |
I'm wondering which crimes have stopped occurring because of prison sentences. |  |
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| Crimes against the state on 11:44 - Jul 9 with 860 views | Pendejo |
My late mother's third and final husband was an "Insurance Collector" in SE London, and not for Co-op or Pru or Allied Dunbar but for the type of insurer that if you didn't pay your business burned down.
He was a friend of my dad's family and they all grew up in the same estate.
He was sent to prison for life in @1970 for stabbing to death a rival gang member, and was out on life licence when mum bumped into him.
Anyway, after that prologue; whilst I didn't like him, he had some fascinating stories about prison life and, pertinent to this thread, how those who committed crimes against the state were sentenced far harsher than for crimes against the individual.
In recent years see Post Office scandal.
He told me of a fella who was in prison for arson on a church, and repeatedly denied parole compared against him who got out on licence despite being a violent offender who'd spent time in solitary.
Other stories included about tax readers (from TV licence to Council Tax to VAT) who didn't get parole, whereas rapists did.
Now, I'd take some things he said with a pinch of salt as I never verified the stories, but they must have a grounding in truth.
For certain crimes (not paying TV Licence) alternatives like Community Service is surely a better sentence than prison? And can be used for rehabilitation as much as punishment.
There is no doubt that violent and / or prolific repeat offenders to be punished with incarceration, and there is possibly a point from where rehabilitation is no longer viable. In these cases is there a possibility of prevention?
Remember, the CONServatives know the price of everything and the value of nothing; hence why anything marketable has been privatised (or part privatised)
* Forensic Services
* Prisons
* Fleet Management (the one for Met recently went bust)
* Some Health care
* Highways
Etc.
With reduction in funding for anything remotely socially responsible or for the community;-
* Libraries
* Police Stations
* Fire Stations
* A&E - the "golden hour" has been stretched
Etc.
There are NO, repeat NO victimless crimes
Crime is one area trickle down economics truly exist;-
* SKY were mentioned, they just put subscriber prices up and / or reduce funding for creative arts
* State - taxes go up and / or funding reduced
* Supermarkets - prices go up
In short, one way or another, unless you live entirely on the margins of legality you / we all pay (financially) for the crimes of othrrs.
I'm hoping we do have "grown ups" in power now, and that sensible, practical and economically viable plans are executed for the good of the majority, rather than profiteering chums of anyone in power, whatever their political party. |  |
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| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 11:49 - Jul 9 with 851 views | baxterbasics |
| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 11:39 - Jul 9 by factual_blue |
I'm wondering which crimes have stopped occurring because of prison sentences. |
Well for a some inmates I would imagine the crimes they would still be committing if they were not locked up?
Alternative Q: what difference would it make if there was no prison option for offenders at all? | |
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| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 11:49 - Jul 9 with 849 views | GlasgowBlue |
| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 08:58 - Jul 9 by Cheltenham_Blue |
The Tory mantra has always been 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime", but its a load of flannel isn't it?
They cut police numbers by 21,000 and then ten years later, increased them again by 20,000, which is not an increase. People drive how they want, act as anti-socially as they want and do what they want, because who is going to stop them?
Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime, but since 2010 we have closed 20 prisons, and until 2019 only had plans for 3,500 extra spaces. If prisons are full, then we need to prioritise prison space for those who should be there. Should low level offenders, for example, shop lifters, be there? Should fine dodgers be there? Should Council Tax avoiders be there?.
Labour needs to correct the mistakes of the previous government and replace the 20 closed prisons, its literally that simple. |
'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime was Blair. |  |
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| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 12:01 - Jul 9 with 825 views | Benters |
| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 08:39 - Jul 9 by blueasfook |
It's OK, James Timpson will give them all jobs cutting keys |
That made me laugh. |  |
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| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 12:03 - Jul 9 with 817 views | pete81 |
| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 11:49 - Jul 9 by GlasgowBlue |
'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime was Blair. |
And it was under David Blunketts watch that IPP sentences were introduced which were later scrapped. Blankets has stated it was his biggest regret in his time introducing them. 1000's of prisoners still inside 10 years or more over their initial 4 or 5 year tariff is a big part of the system being snarled up |  | | |
| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 12:54 - Jul 9 with 764 views | GeoffSentence |
As an aside would this have any impact on the probation service? If more prisoners are going to be released does that put a greater workload on porbabtion officers? |  |
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| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 13:45 - Jul 9 with 727 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 12:03 - Jul 9 by pete81 |
And it was under David Blunketts watch that IPP sentences were introduced which were later scrapped. Blankets has stated it was his biggest regret in his time introducing them. 1000's of prisoners still inside 10 years or more over their initial 4 or 5 year tariff is a big part of the system being snarled up |
As big a scandal as the Post Office and Infected Blood ones.... |  |
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| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 14:28 - Jul 9 with 669 views | JackNorthStand |
| That’ll send a really good message to criminals on 08:28 - Jul 9 by itfcjoe |
What other options are there if prisons are literally full? Need to build more but takes time and no one wants one built near them.
This thing been going on for years rather than build we've just sent fewer and fewer people there, and then let them out earlier |
Send them to Rwanda? |  | | |
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