| It's not a penalty 20:17 - Jul 10 with 9076 views | Garv |
The sad thing is it's not surprising.
But football is absolute bobbins now. Other sports must be laughing at it. |  |
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| It's not a penalty on 21:38 - Jul 10 with 1699 views | Schmoke |
| It's not a penalty on 21:02 - Jul 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Defender makes contact with Kane not the ball. Blatant pen. I don't know what anyone else is seeing. |
Exactly!
I have no idea what the fuss is all about.
Defender and Kane are going for the ball, Kane gets there first, defender misses it and follows through, studs down on Kane's foot.
Foul all day long. |  | | |
| It's not a penalty on 21:40 - Jul 10 with 1690 views | Garv |
| It's not a penalty on 20:31 - Jul 10 by redrickstuhaart |
Show us the rule that says that.
No good reason at all for there to be a difference. And there isnt, according to the laws. |
Oh I'm sure there's no law. It's just kind of a given and has been the case for as long as I've known, because there used to be a risk for a referee to give a penalty, there isn't any more because they have the stupid safety net of VAR. | |
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| It's not a penalty on 21:41 - Jul 10 with 1679 views | Swansea_Blue |
| It's not a penalty on 21:32 - Jul 10 by RamRob |
There you go, middle of the pitch, Dutch player kicks Bellingham, Free kick & Bellingham gets a yellow. |
Kane kicked the defender, so it’s the complete opposite |  |
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| It's not a penalty on 21:44 - Jul 10 with 1660 views | RamRob |
| It's not a penalty on 21:41 - Jul 10 by Swansea_Blue |
Kane kicked the defender, so it’s the complete opposite |
Really? in both cases the player being kicked gave away the foul & got the yellow |  |
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| It's not a penalty on 21:58 - Jul 10 with 1633 views | MattinLondon |
You saying that you don’t get poor decisions in other sports? |  | | |
| It's not a penalty on 21:59 - Jul 10 with 1631 views | RadioOrwell |
| It's not a penalty on 21:41 - Jul 10 by Swansea_Blue |
Kane kicked the defender, so it’s the complete opposite |
Kane ( in white ) kicked the ball.
Other bloke ( orange ) missed the ball and kicked Kane.
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| It's not a penalty on 22:02 - Jul 10 with 1616 views | PhilTWTD |
I thought it was a penalty and if Marco Gabbiadini says it was a penalty, then it was a penalty.
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| It's not a penalty on 22:04 - Jul 10 with 1582 views | RamRob |
| It's not a penalty on 22:02 - Jul 10 by PhilTWTD |
I thought it was a penalty and if Marco Gabbiadini says it was a penalty, then it was a penalty.
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There we go end of. Close the thread Phil | |
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| It's not a penalty on 22:26 - Jul 10 with 1553 views | Garv |
| It's not a penalty on 20:39 - Jul 10 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t think it is. Every part of the pitch has exactly the same laws. |
In reality though, that's never actually been the case. | |
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| It's not a penalty on 22:28 - Jul 10 with 1548 views | blueasfook |
| It's not a penalty on 21:02 - Jul 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Defender makes contact with Kane not the ball. Blatant pen. I don't know what anyone else is seeing. |
100% you wouldn't be saying that if that had been given in the England box |  |
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| It's not a penalty on 22:34 - Jul 10 with 1522 views | Vaughan8 |
The way instead it was he's trying to block the shot, put his foot up.
Kane kicks the ball and follows through and kicks the Dutch guys boot.
It seems a harsh penalty to me. If this is the threshold going forward, we'll see a lot more penalties. Strikers will just make sure they follow through by hitting a players body. [Post edited 10 Jul 2024 22:37]
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| It's not a penalty on 22:36 - Jul 10 with 1508 views | Chrisd |
100%. Contact was minimal, if anything I’d be bloody fuming if that was given against us next season. [Post edited 11 Jul 2024 4:25]
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| It's not a penalty on 22:44 - Jul 10 with 1480 views | Europablue |
| It's not a penalty on 20:59 - Jul 10 by Ewan_Oozami |
What? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The scrutiny is higher, yes, because the potential outcome is potentially more impactful - but that scrutiny is only there to see if it's a foul or not, not whether it meets some hypothetical threshold for a penalty to be given. |
Are you trying to tell me that a similar foul in the other box would get the same scrutiny and a VAR check? Whatever the rule, the reality is that penalty decisions are given more scrutiny than a potential foul anywhere else on the pitch, and rightly so.Imagine if we had a VAR check for every little incident on the pitch. The scrutiny is only there to check if it was a penalty or not, not whether it was a foul or not. | | | |
| It's not a penalty on 22:44 - Jul 10 with 1480 views | WicklowBlue |
From a neutral point of view. Didn't look like a penalty in real time as usual with VAR it looks worse when slowed down. On the replay it was a studs up challenge then the question was did the challenge hamper Kanes shot?
Anyway over analysing is where we are currently with the game and expect same for Towen in the EPL.
Lazy defending studs up yep penalty for me. If the defender had tracked Kane and gone in for a block rather than raising the foot then might have been a different story. |  | | |
| It's not a penalty on 22:45 - Jul 10 with 1484 views | Trequartista |
The issue here is that there is no referee's discretion left in the game.
a) If that incident happens outside the area it's a free-kick.
b) A referee uses his discretion to award penalties, i.e. If a striker gets a clean shot in, it doesn't usually matter if he gets caught afterwards. Furthermore, a foul in the area has to be stronger that one outside it to avoid 5 or 6 penalties per game.
Neither of those reasons in b) are in the laws of the game of course, they are "unwritten" discretionary rules. As VAR comes in, more and more discretion is removed, and you will end up with what we saw given as a penalty more often. |  |
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| It's not a penalty on 22:55 - Jul 10 with 1438 views | Garv |
| It's not a penalty on 22:45 - Jul 10 by Trequartista |
The issue here is that there is no referee's discretion left in the game.
a) If that incident happens outside the area it's a free-kick.
b) A referee uses his discretion to award penalties, i.e. If a striker gets a clean shot in, it doesn't usually matter if he gets caught afterwards. Furthermore, a foul in the area has to be stronger that one outside it to avoid 5 or 6 penalties per game.
Neither of those reasons in b) are in the laws of the game of course, they are "unwritten" discretionary rules. As VAR comes in, more and more discretion is removed, and you will end up with what we saw given as a penalty more often. |
This is as accurate a description of the situation as you're going to see. Well put.
People trying to say it's a foul anywhere else on the pitch so it's a penalty inside the box, it's only valid in a VAR context, therefore effectively making it invalid. | |
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| It's not a penalty on 10:25 - Jul 11 with 1250 views | bluejacko |
What’s the bother? The ref said penalty (dodgy😉)so let’s just take it and move on👍 | | | |
| It was a penalty on 10:44 - Jul 11 with 1229 views | WeWereZombies |
| It's not a penalty on 22:44 - Jul 10 by WicklowBlue |
From a neutral point of view. Didn't look like a penalty in real time as usual with VAR it looks worse when slowed down. On the replay it was a studs up challenge then the question was did the challenge hamper Kanes shot?
Anyway over analysing is where we are currently with the game and expect same for Towen in the EPL.
Lazy defending studs up yep penalty for me. If the defender had tracked Kane and gone in for a block rather than raising the foot then might have been a different story. |
Close to how I see it, didn't think about the chance of a penalty being given as I watched the game but then wondered as Kane writhed around whether there had been illegal contact. As the replays were aired and the referee went over to the monitor I was more convinced that a penalty was appropriate.
This morning I wake up thinking about it (not stiff in the morning for once) and conclude that Kane was justified in having a whack at the ball despite having to raise his foot to around thigh height but Dumfries miscalculated his challenge going in at the same height to, fractionally, miss the ball and have his foot in a dangerous position. A clear penalty in slow motion but easily missed in real time, and this is what VAR is good at. [Post edited 11 Jul 2024 16:28]
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| It's not a penalty on 11:07 - Jul 11 with 1183 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| It was a penalty on 10:44 - Jul 11 by WeWereZombies |
Close to how I see it, didn't think about the chance of a penalty being given as I watched the game but then wondered as Kane writhed around whether there had been illegal contact. As the replays were aired and the referee went over to the monitor I was more convinced that a penalty was appropriate.
This morning I wake up thinking about it (not stiff in the morning for once) and conclude that Kane was justified in having a whack at the ball despite having to raise his foot to around thigh height but Dumfries miscalculated his challenge going in at the same height to, fractionally, miss the ball and have his foot in a dangerous position. A clear penalty in slow motion but easily missed in real time, and this is what VAR is good at. [Post edited 11 Jul 2024 16:28]
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Spot on.
You had twits like Roy Keane saying "It's a split second in the penalty area..." Well sorry, Roy, it makes no odds whether it was a split second or half an hour, if you kick the player rather than the ball it's a foul.
I've never heard the "It was only a split second" argument for anything else! |  |
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| It's not a penalty on 11:13 - Jul 11 with 1169 views | gordon |
| It's not a penalty on 21:38 - Jul 10 by Schmoke |
Exactly!
I have no idea what the fuss is all about.
Defender and Kane are going for the ball, Kane gets there first, defender misses it and follows through, studs down on Kane's foot.
Foul all day long. |
Yeah - don't really understand the controversy etc., it's a clear foul. |  | | |
| It's not a penalty on 11:17 - Jul 11 with 1146 views | gordon |
| It's not a penalty on 22:34 - Jul 10 by Vaughan8 |
The way instead it was he's trying to block the shot, put his foot up.
Kane kicks the ball and follows through and kicks the Dutch guys boot.
It seems a harsh penalty to me. If this is the threshold going forward, we'll see a lot more penalties. Strikers will just make sure they follow through by hitting a players body. [Post edited 10 Jul 2024 22:37]
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"Kane follows through and kicks the Dutch guys boot" - this sounds like you haven't watched it - the Dutch player is moving forward with lots of momentum towards Kane with his studs raised and his foot at thigh height. | | | |
| It's not a penalty on 11:26 - Jul 11 with 1119 views | Europablue |
| It's not a penalty on 21:41 - Jul 10 by Swansea_Blue |
Kane kicked the defender, so it’s the complete opposite |
If you play it is super slow motion, you can see that the defender moved slightly towards Kane's foot as Kane swung at pace towards him. That is the thread that they are hanging the decision on. I can see how it technically could be considered a penalty, but it is still an extreme decision. The Germany penalty against Demark was never a penalty, then the one that was not given against Spain was 10 times worse than the Denmark one. If there were a clear and consistent rule and associated guidance, there wouldn't be such variation on those decisions. The England penalty favours the attacker way too much. | | | |
| It's not a penalty on 11:29 - Jul 11 with 1109 views | Europablue |
| It's not a penalty on 22:02 - Jul 10 by PhilTWTD |
I thought it was a penalty and if Marco Gabbiadini says it was a penalty, then it was a penalty.
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Nowhere else on the pitch would the foul have a material outcome on the game, and nowhere else on the pitch would the attacker be wildly swinging like that and nowhere else on the pitch would the defender feel the need to defend so vigorously.
The "anywhere else on the pitch" argument is a load of nonsense. | | | |
| It's not a penalty on 11:32 - Jul 11 with 1096 views | PhilTWTD |
| It's not a penalty on 11:29 - Jul 11 by Europablue |
Nowhere else on the pitch would the foul have a material outcome on the game, and nowhere else on the pitch would the attacker be wildly swinging like that and nowhere else on the pitch would the defender feel the need to defend so vigorously.
The "anywhere else on the pitch" argument is a load of nonsense. |
Defender went for the ball, failed to get it and kicked Kane. I can see why it was looked on as harsh but those are the facts. | | | |
| It's not a penalty on 11:32 - Jul 11 with 1092 views | Europablue |
| It's not a penalty on 22:55 - Jul 10 by Garv |
This is as accurate a description of the situation as you're going to see. Well put.
People trying to say it's a foul anywhere else on the pitch so it's a penalty inside the box, it's only valid in a VAR context, therefore effectively making it invalid. |
Exactly, VAR is not used anywhere else on the pitch! | | | |
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