| Are we doing a Paul Hurst 23:14 - Jul 12 with 5630 views | cressi |
Getting what McKenna believes are the best players from the league below we are going to play in. Yes we will be better coached for sure but will we need a bit of premiership no how to get us through ?. |  | | |  |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 23:16 - Jul 12 with 4881 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Windows not closed yet.
Suspect the loans may bring in more experience. |  |
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| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 23:20 - Jul 12 with 4831 views | Guthrum |
Unlike Hurst, McKenna has (assistant) manged at the level we will be playing at - one of the top teams therein, to boot. [Post edited 12 Jul 2024 23:21]
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| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 23:50 - Jul 12 with 4648 views | HighgateBlue |
Last time we were in the Premier League I remember a certain Marcus Stewart making the step up with no difficulties.
You already have ample evidence to demonstrate that McKenna is not Hurst. |  | | |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 23:55 - Jul 12 with 4619 views | Europablue |
If you buy the best players from the championship you get players like Ollie Watkins, Adam Wharton, Ivan Toney, and Harry Maguire. We might need a few other players to get the right balance, but I can't really see the problem with getting the best Championship players. | | | |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 23:57 - Jul 12 with 4606 views | Europablue |
Have you ever noticed that the top teams tend to buy players from teams lower in the table? It doesn't make those teams worse to get some of the best players in the league. If KM has either asked for the players he gets or gave them his stamp of approval, then that should be enough for our fans to approve of the signings. | | | |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 00:01 - Jul 13 with 4583 views | skankerman |
Unlike PH our manager is tried and tested in many ways
Keep the faith in KM
A legend forever with our club đź‘Ť | | | |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 00:14 - Jul 13 with 4515 views | Nutkins_Return |
Hurst didn't buy the best players from lower divisions though. Nolan and Nsiala had good seasons but were just decent L1 players. Jackson and Roberts were league two players.
Greaves, Hutchinson, Delap etc are much more stand outs in my opinion and McKenna really knows what it takes and can develop players. | |
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| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 02:06 - Jul 13 with 4324 views | Vic |
I know what you mean, I have had those thoughts come into my head. But there’s a couple of things that I think are very different. First, Unlike Hurst, KM has worked at the higher level and knows exactly what’s required of the players, so is much better able to judge what’s needed than Hurst ever was. Second, Hurst didn’t actually buy the best of the league below, where KM is. And then there’s the fact that so far KM has given ample evidence that he can actually coach the players to become better.
It might all go wrong, but I think the evidence so far warrants us not worrying about it to much. And if it does and we get relegated the players we’re buying have decent resale value. |  |
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| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 02:22 - Jul 13 with 4297 views | Tampa_Florida_Blue |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 00:14 - Jul 13 by Nutkins_Return |
Hurst didn't buy the best players from lower divisions though. Nolan and Nsiala had good seasons but were just decent L1 players. Jackson and Roberts were league two players.
Greaves, Hutchinson, Delap etc are much more stand outs in my opinion and McKenna really knows what it takes and can develop players. |
Add onto that list of devloping players, just remember the Omar at the start of last season, and the Omar we just paid 20 mil for |  | | |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 04:53 - Jul 13 with 4070 views | itfcsuth |
I think we do need to add a little bit more PL experience.
What I would say is the players we are buying are the very top end Championship players, regardless of transfer fees, these players are very very good and were going to make the step up to PL whether with us or someone else.
I’m not sure Paul Hurst signings were the very best League 1 had to offer when they were asked to step up to Championship. |  | | |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 05:51 - Jul 13 with 3953 views | Xatticus |
Didn’t mean to downvote.
The question is fair as long as there are no implications attached. Hurst’s failure here goes far beyond recruitment. I thought he paid too much for those that were brought in, but I’m certain that a more capable manager could’ve crafted a more competitive side with those players. | | | |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 07:20 - Jul 13 with 3700 views | Churchman |
The differences are:
1. McKenna’s worked at the highest level and knows what’s required. Hurst had not, never will and did not know a team from a teapot
2. Hurst had not managed a club like ITFC and was out of his depth. Stank the place out, as did his coach Lurch.
3. The club’s ambition was mediocrity. It was rotten to the core, a mess and didn’t so much need a manager as a man with a magic wand
4. Hurst promised Evans the moon on a stick (according to and paraphrasing Alan Lee) and had no chance delivering even the stick
5. McKenna is working with an established, successful team and enhancing it. The best players Hurst inherited were flogged off, including all the goals. The mostly Poundland replacements were always going to struggle
6. There is a compromise to be had in who we bring in - we are not competing on level terms with most of the PL
7. We competed with two of last season’s relegated clubs (less so Leeds) and Wolves. Fulham, less so but these matches have given us a clue as to what’s required
In conclusion whatever we do we are not going to have too many better players than our opponents. The key to the season is being the best, most cohesive team we can be, just as we were from Feb 2023 on. PL experience in the squad, beyond Tuanzebe would help, but I’d have thought finding the right player at the right price, attitude etc who can provide that is difficult.
In our situation, I believe McKenna has the best chance of getting it right. Unlike Hurst’s time, the club appears to be giving it a real go. You can’t ask for more than that, beyond hoping that it doesn’t financially ruin itself in the attempt. [Post edited 13 Jul 2024 7:41]
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| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 07:24 - Jul 13 with 3644 views | ibbleobble |
Omari, Johnson and Delap are all from PL clubs. Rubbish post mate. | | | |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 07:35 - Jul 13 with 3593 views | itfcjoe |
I did touch on this on the podcast last night m, but the players we signed were worse than what we had in reality.
Nsiala was a good L1 defender but was replacing Webster
Nolan was a top L1 midfielder, can’t remember who he replaced
Eli’s Harrison was a mid range L1 attacker, Kayden Jackson was a good L2 striker - they replaced McGoldrick and Waghorn and Garner
Donacien was a decent L2 defender
As it is the players signed/linked - Greaves, Phil O’Jean, Delap, Szmodics etc are players who will go straight into the starting XI ahead of players here who have been very good. They are the genuine cream of the crop from the level we were at last season and wouldn’t be obtainable without promotion
I would like to get some experience in there, but these guys are high floor players and at the top end of ability within our squad when they come in |  |
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| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 07:51 - Jul 13 with 3432 views | Wickets |
No of course not as Hurst was working for an owner who was peed off with having to put money into the club now well the difference is rather obvious! |  | | |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 08:45 - Jul 13 with 3099 views | MK1 |
At the moment, the majority of our squad was playing league one a few years ago, so no, every signing will be an upgrade on our current squad. The best Championship players can step up and add a bit of Prem experience (Johnson, Axel etc) and we will be fine. I would like a couple of Prem experienced midfielders if possible, but we only need a couple more signings in my opinion. I hope the majority of our squad stay and play, as they deserve their chance. Obviously, we need a bit more quality, but the squad must be preserved. |  |
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| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 08:52 - Jul 13 with 3070 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
It's a decent point that we might need a bit more premiership know-how, but you go and spoil it with such a silly subject title! |  |
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| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 08:54 - Jul 13 with 3037 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 02:22 - Jul 13 by Tampa_Florida_Blue |
Add onto that list of devloping players, just remember the Omar at the start of last season, and the Omar we just paid 20 mil for |
I think the thought most of us had was "There's nothing like this." | |
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| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 09:36 - Jul 13 with 2891 views | cressi |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 07:24 - Jul 13 by ibbleobble |
Omari, Johnson and Delap are all from PL clubs. Rubbish post mate. |
If your brains were dynamite they wouldn't blow ur hat off. Only Ben Johnson has played any games to talk off in the Premiership the rest playing championship football irrespective of parent clubs. Most other posters at least have valid points. | | | |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 09:37 - Jul 13 with 2878 views | cressi |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 08:52 - Jul 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's a decent point that we might need a bit more premiership know-how, but you go and spoil it with such a silly subject title! |
Got your attention to reply | | | |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 09:50 - Jul 13 with 2746 views | BlueBadger |
Christ alive. |  |
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| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 09:51 - Jul 13 with 2750 views | PhilTWTD |
That has been my concern. Kieran himself talked about a lack of big match experience in the squad last season, I think when we were at Elland Road, so I was expecting more Premier League experience to come in. That's not to say the players we've brought in aren't going to cut it, and so far he has a very good record in the transfer market, but it is a question mark. Perhaps we'll add a bit more Premier League savvy with later additions. |  | | |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 09:59 - Jul 13 with 2690 views | tonybied |
Axel has premier league experience too, I don't think we need too much more PL experience, what will it really bring us at the level that we can afford? If we can get a couple of freebies with a bit of experience I think it'll be enough.
I'm not of the belief that premier league experience will bring that much to the table anyway. What is going to be that different? Obviously, the level of skill, fitness and technique will be higher (which signing the best of the championship should help to negate) and the "glitz and glamour" will be a while new level but if you have a team of bright, compassionate, sensible players, with a sense of pride and community, with their feet firmly planted on the ground then I think you've won most of the battle. |  | | |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 10:02 - Jul 13 with 2670 views | blueasfook |
That earned you a DaveU downvote. Ouch. |  |
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| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 10:09 - Jul 13 with 2622 views | tonybied |
| Are we doing a Paul Hurst on 10:02 - Jul 13 by blueasfook |
That earned you a DaveU downvote. Ouch. |
I thought that was a badge of honour? | | | |
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