| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. 17:46 - Jul 18 with 15079 views | Mercian |
So they jail five environment protestors for 4 and 5 years for a protest that disrupted motorway traffic. Rapists, violent muggers and those who commit GBH with intent get shorter sentences. Way to go.
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| I expect that most people.... on 20:50 - Jul 18 with 1024 views | Bloots |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:42 - Jul 18 by tcblue |
Way more disruption caused by the Queen's funeral shutting down roads in London.
GSTK or whatever folks say on here |
....knew when the Queens funeral was planned for and as a result made alternative arrangements.
I'm pretty sure I saw something or other about it happening on the news.
I may be wrong, but yeah actually we definitely had an idea when it was happening.
GSTK. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:50 - Jul 18 with 1025 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:48 - Jul 18 by NthQldITFC |
Stupid bewigged old wanchor. |
Is it possible he was applying the law and may even have nassice sympathy forthe cause?.... |  | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:53 - Jul 18 with 1016 views | EdwardStone |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:35 - Jul 18 by factual_blue |
Said the judge, parading his own views, with no sense of irony whatsoever. |
The crux of the issue is
How much disruption may a protestor cause to anyone whilst exercising their right to peacefully protest?
According to the Establishment, the answer to this is.... None
One may protest all you want until you are blue in the face, but heaven forbid you cause the slightest upset/ inconvenience, whether real or perceived, to anyone at all.... arrest and an appearance in front of the Beak awaits with the risk of Bail Conditions and Jail for any Breach thereof.
All protest must only be entirely ineffective in order to be legal..... |  | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:53 - Jul 18 with 1018 views | factual_blue |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:47 - Jul 18 by Crawfordsboot |
Now what if I happen to be a fundamentalist Christian believing that the Sabbath is sacred and that it is blasphemous for football matches to be staged on a Sunday.
I might stand outside the ground for the Town v Chelsea fixture holding a protest banner as is my right. You might all ignore me, or think I am a nutter, as is your right. If I then up the ante by taking direct action and call in a bomb threat to stop the game going ahead are you going to accept that I am just exercising my right to protest?
I would ask that before supporting the right to cause such disruption we ask ourselves what we as individuals have done in response to climate change. I suspect that many of the righteous have done very little.
P.S. For the avoidance of doubt I’m an atheist and I drive an electric car powered by solar. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 20:51]
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Now you're being silly. The analogy would be several of you gluing yourselves to the turnstiles at Stamford Bridge, as I'm sure you're well aware. |  |
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| I expect that most people.... on 20:53 - Jul 18 with 1015 views | tcblue |
| I expect that most people.... on 20:50 - Jul 18 by Bloots |
....knew when the Queens funeral was planned for and as a result made alternative arrangements.
I'm pretty sure I saw something or other about it happening on the news.
I may be wrong, but yeah actually we definitely had an idea when it was happening.
GSTK. |
Alternative heart attack arrangements?
It wasn't just missed meetings! | | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:54 - Jul 18 with 1013 views | WeWereZombies |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:47 - Jul 18 by Crawfordsboot |
Now what if I happen to be a fundamentalist Christian believing that the Sabbath is sacred and that it is blasphemous for football matches to be staged on a Sunday.
I might stand outside the ground for the Town v Chelsea fixture holding a protest banner as is my right. You might all ignore me, or think I am a nutter, as is your right. If I then up the ante by taking direct action and call in a bomb threat to stop the game going ahead are you going to accept that I am just exercising my right to protest?
I would ask that before supporting the right to cause such disruption we ask ourselves what we as individuals have done in response to climate change. I suspect that many of the righteous have done very little.
P.S. For the avoidance of doubt I’m an atheist and I drive an electric car powered by solar. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 20:51]
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But they haven't called in a bomb threat. The equivalent for your fervent Lord's Day Observer would be to glue themselves to a goalpost. Would you send someone down for five years if they did that ? |  |
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| Once again, for the "hard of reading"..... on 20:54 - Jul 18 with 1007 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Once again, for the "hard of reading"..... on 19:38 - Jul 18 by Bloots |
....I haven't commented on the sentence, merely the fact that it wasn't just "people attending meetings" that were affected.
Cheers, again. |
I get that commenting on substantive matters might not be your forté....enjoy your sound bites. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:55 - Jul 18 with 1011 views | NthQldITFC |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:50 - Jul 18 by redrickstuhaart |
Is it possible he was applying the law and may even have nassice sympathy forthe cause?.... |
'At last week’s trial, Judge Hehir ruled that climate issues were ‘irrelevant and inadmissible’, dismissing them as mere ‘political opinion and belief’. Although the legislation includes a defence of ‘reasonable excuse’ and despite the prosecution acknowledging the imminent catastrophic and irreversible harm from burning fossil fuels, the judge prevented the jury from considering whether the defendants had a reasonable excuse and directed them to ignore any evidence about the climate crisis.'
Not really. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:00 - Jul 18 with 962 views | Mercian |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:55 - Jul 18 by NthQldITFC |
'At last week’s trial, Judge Hehir ruled that climate issues were ‘irrelevant and inadmissible’, dismissing them as mere ‘political opinion and belief’. Although the legislation includes a defence of ‘reasonable excuse’ and despite the prosecution acknowledging the imminent catastrophic and irreversible harm from burning fossil fuels, the judge prevented the jury from considering whether the defendants had a reasonable excuse and directed them to ignore any evidence about the climate crisis.'
Not really. |
There "might" be something in that though. Not allowing the jury from considering reasonable excuse may result in a miss-trial. Fortunately the supreme court seem to be more reasonable than their subordinates. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 21:01]
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:01 - Jul 18 with 959 views | NthQldITFC |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:50 - Jul 18 by redrickstuhaart |
Is it possible he was applying the law and may even have nassice sympathy forthe cause?.... |
"The rules are that you must not interrupt the Captain when he is steering the ship."
"But the ship is heading for a massive iceberg."
"The rules are that you must not interrupt the Captain when he is steering the ship. Throw that man in the brig." | |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:02 - Jul 18 with 946 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:55 - Jul 18 by NthQldITFC |
'At last week’s trial, Judge Hehir ruled that climate issues were ‘irrelevant and inadmissible’, dismissing them as mere ‘political opinion and belief’. Although the legislation includes a defence of ‘reasonable excuse’ and despite the prosecution acknowledging the imminent catastrophic and irreversible harm from burning fossil fuels, the judge prevented the jury from considering whether the defendants had a reasonable excuse and directed them to ignore any evidence about the climate crisis.'
Not really. |
Looks like legal judgment to me. If he let them persuade a jury with legally irrelevant stuff, appeal would doubtless follow. So dangerous to base a view on cherry picked snippets. | | | |
| You're a very strange lad. (n/t) on 21:02 - Jul 18 with 943 views | Bloots |
| Once again, for the "hard of reading"..... on 20:54 - Jul 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I get that commenting on substantive matters might not be your forté....enjoy your sound bites. |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:02 - Jul 18 with 942 views | Crawfordsboot |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:53 - Jul 18 by factual_blue |
Now you're being silly. The analogy would be several of you gluing yourselves to the turnstiles at Stamford Bridge, as I'm sure you're well aware. |
It’s the principle that I highlight, it’s really quite simple. If, by whatever means, i stop a match going ahead because my personal views are not supported in a democratic society are my actions acceptable? |  | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:06 - Jul 18 with 923 views | Mercian |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:02 - Jul 18 by Crawfordsboot |
It’s the principle that I highlight, it’s really quite simple. If, by whatever means, i stop a match going ahead because my personal views are not supported in a democratic society are my actions acceptable? |
Perhaps not but there is a clear and huge difference to lying down in the centre circle and planting a nail bomb in one of the stands. Shoplifting a Mar's Bar and armed robbery are both theft. Should the punishment be the same for both offences? | | | |
| Have you been to London....? on 21:06 - Jul 18 with 922 views | Bloots |
| I expect that most people.... on 20:53 - Jul 18 by tcblue |
Alternative heart attack arrangements?
It wasn't just missed meetings! |
....there's more than one road you know.
It's not just "London High Street", with the only hospital being at the end of that road.
GSTK. | |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:10 - Jul 18 with 908 views | Buhrer |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:02 - Jul 18 by Crawfordsboot |
It’s the principle that I highlight, it’s really quite simple. If, by whatever means, i stop a match going ahead because my personal views are not supported in a democratic society are my actions acceptable? |
Would you be using non violent means intended in warning a cloth eared world heading towards existential ruin, hands tied by political greed and misinformation, and our grotesque troughing leaders, but with your cause intellectually supported by all good scientists? Crack on |  | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:14 - Jul 18 with 881 views | Crawfordsboot |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:53 - Jul 18 by EdwardStone |
The crux of the issue is
How much disruption may a protestor cause to anyone whilst exercising their right to peacefully protest?
According to the Establishment, the answer to this is.... None
One may protest all you want until you are blue in the face, but heaven forbid you cause the slightest upset/ inconvenience, whether real or perceived, to anyone at all.... arrest and an appearance in front of the Beak awaits with the risk of Bail Conditions and Jail for any Breach thereof.
All protest must only be entirely ineffective in order to be legal..... |
You confuse “protest” with “direct action”. To me protesting is an important democratic right to register opposition to something with the aim of changing opinion.
Direct action is acting to force one’s views on others. These terms are not interchangeable. | | | |
| Have you been to London....? on 21:17 - Jul 18 with 870 views | tcblue |
| Have you been to London....? on 21:06 - Jul 18 by Bloots |
....there's more than one road you know.
It's not just "London High Street", with the only hospital being at the end of that road.
GSTK. |
I guess you didn't live in London based on that comment.
But really my point is, there's no real difference here - both caused huge traffic disruption. One was to draw attention to the single biggest issue facing the planet and the other was an old lady died.
I'm sure there are punishments for such disruptive protests required. But the sentences today were egregiously unjust. | | | |
| I expect that most people.... on 21:21 - Jul 18 with 851 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I expect that most people.... on 20:53 - Jul 18 by tcblue |
Alternative heart attack arrangements?
It wasn't just missed meetings! |
The emergency services would have been provided details of the route in advance and alternative routes already made should an emergency happen.
You're being silly. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:22 - Jul 18 with 848 views | Crawfordsboot |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:10 - Jul 18 by Buhrer |
Would you be using non violent means intended in warning a cloth eared world heading towards existential ruin, hands tied by political greed and misinformation, and our grotesque troughing leaders, but with your cause intellectually supported by all good scientists? Crack on |
I wonder how many of the posters on here voted for the Green Party in the election. 🤔 | | | |
| Once again, for the "hard of reading"..... on 21:23 - Jul 18 with 838 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Once again, for the "hard of reading"..... on 20:54 - Jul 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I get that commenting on substantive matters might not be your forté....enjoy your sound bites. |
Blimey Banksy, you seem to have taken the recent election result far more badly than I have previously realised. You're taking swings at people for things they haven't said or done rather than what they have. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 21:25]
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| I expect that most people.... on 21:25 - Jul 18 with 829 views | tcblue |
| I expect that most people.... on 21:21 - Jul 18 by GlasgowBlue |
The emergency services would have been provided details of the route in advance and alternative routes already made should an emergency happen.
You're being silly. |
Perhaps a little. But it did cause pretty big disruptions here - I don't think there's much difference between the two, you can get to hospitals without using the M25, too | | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:25 - Jul 18 with 828 views | DJR |
Section 78 of the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 converted the common law offence of public nuisance into a statutory one but widened it.
This is what Doughty Chambers said about the change.
"The common law offence of public nuisance was traditionally, and frequently used to prosecute significant environmental offences. This included air pollution and the release of noxious substances by corporations or individuals that caused real harm to the general public.
There is no irony lost in the fact the same offence in statutory form is now being zealously deployed to prosecute environmental protestors." [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 21:27]
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| You have to be.... on 21:26 - Jul 18 with 812 views | Bloots |
| I expect that most people.... on 21:25 - Jul 18 by tcblue |
Perhaps a little. But it did cause pretty big disruptions here - I don't think there's much difference between the two, you can get to hospitals without using the M25, too |
...being deliberately obtuse here surely?!
Pointless carry on.
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:27 - Jul 18 with 812 views | Crawfordsboot |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 21:06 - Jul 18 by Mercian |
Perhaps not but there is a clear and huge difference to lying down in the centre circle and planting a nail bomb in one of the stands. Shoplifting a Mar's Bar and armed robbery are both theft. Should the punishment be the same for both offences? |
So you accept the principle and it’s just the length of the sentence that’s up for discussion? | | | |
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