| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. 17:46 - Jul 18 with 14910 views | Mercian |
So they jail five environment protestors for 4 and 5 years for a protest that disrupted motorway traffic. Rapists, violent muggers and those who commit GBH with intent get shorter sentences. Way to go.
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| Not to the "BanterBoyz" apparently. (n/t) on 19:36 - Jul 18 with 1804 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not to the "BanterBoyz" apparently. (n/t) on 18:39 - Jul 18 by DanTheMan |
Has anyone said it doesn't matter or have they just criticised the length of the sentences?
They seem harsh to me compared to violent crimes. |
"Yes, but some people were late for a meeting" is certainly trivialising missing funerals, hospital appointments and operations. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:36 - Jul 18 with 1796 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:07 - Jul 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Awful isn’t it. I’ve just read through a few of the linked articles and it beggars belief that (a) it was set up like that in the first place, and (b) that prisoners on those sentences were just left, even after IPPs were ruled a breach of human rights and scrapped.
You’d think (hope?) the justice system is something Starmer has a deep understanding of and is well placed to sort out. Presumably that’s why they’re starting with it as their main mission. Something’s got to happen with these poor sods. The film and media coverage will hopefully speed things up, much like for the PO scandal (but it shouldn’t need that). |
....but it's the red team! |  |
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| Once again, for the "hard of reading"..... on 19:38 - Jul 18 with 1793 views | Bloots |
| The inference was that.... on 19:34 - Jul 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Michel Forst, the UN’s special rapporteur on environmental defenders, who attended part of the trial, issued a statement at its conclusion.
“Today is a dark day for peaceful environmental protest” in the UK, he said. “This sentence should shock the conscience of any member of the public. It should also put all of us on high alert on the state of civic rights and freedoms in the United Kingdom. |
....I haven't commented on the sentence, merely the fact that it wasn't just "people attending meetings" that were affected.
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| The inference was that.... on 19:41 - Jul 18 with 1780 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The inference was that.... on 19:34 - Jul 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Michel Forst, the UN’s special rapporteur on environmental defenders, who attended part of the trial, issued a statement at its conclusion.
“Today is a dark day for peaceful environmental protest” in the UK, he said. “This sentence should shock the conscience of any member of the public. It should also put all of us on high alert on the state of civic rights and freedoms in the United Kingdom. |
Do you actually read the posts you reply to? | |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:48 - Jul 18 with 1758 views | Mercian |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:09 - Jul 18 by EdwardStone |
It isn't
It really isn't |
"Tory legislation hands down draconian sentences"
"True but what about Labour legislation decades ago which has also handed down draconian sentences?"
Sounds like whataboutism to me. | | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:51 - Jul 18 with 1743 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:48 - Jul 18 by Mercian |
"Tory legislation hands down draconian sentences"
"True but what about Labour legislation decades ago which has also handed down draconian sentences?"
Sounds like whataboutism to me. |
No. Because ES was replying to somebody who posted "Hopefully Labour will roll back some of the draconian laws". Therefore, not whatabouterry. | |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:51 - Jul 18 with 1745 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:54 - Jul 18 by Mercian |
The juridically is part of The Government. Not the executive and semi independent but they do what the executive allows them to do.. I am not saying they should not have been punished. Protesting on a motorway is both illegal and highly dangerous. Had they got a 1 year suspended sentence I would not have bat an eyelid. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 17:54]
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Not accurate. Judiciary are not part of the government and nit semi independent either. They do however seek to apply the law as voted on in parliament. Sentencing guidelines are part of that. As are statutes whicj set tariffs for partixular offences |  | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:53 - Jul 18 with 1735 views | EdwardStone |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:51 - Jul 18 by GlasgowBlue |
No. Because ES was replying to somebody who posted "Hopefully Labour will roll back some of the draconian laws". Therefore, not whatabouterry. |
Thank you Mr GB |  | | |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:54 - Jul 18 with 1721 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:53 - Jul 18 by EdwardStone |
Thank you Mr GB |
My pleasure Mr ES | |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:56 - Jul 18 with 1705 views | J2BLUE |
Very harsh sentences.
Not sure what people were expecting though? They must have known this was a possibility, maybe even likely? |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:56 - Jul 18 with 1705 views | Mercian |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:53 - Jul 18 by EdwardStone |
Thank you Mr GB |
But what about the Tories? They could have rolled back these laws. Oh look, I'm engaging in whataboutism now. | | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:02 - Jul 18 with 1665 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
The sentencing - and indeed the law - is nothing to do with this government. They've only been in power 2 weeks. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:07 - Jul 18 with 1637 views | Mercian |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:02 - Jul 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The sentencing - and indeed the law - is nothing to do with this government. They've only been in power 2 weeks. |
Not the current government but the law and sentences allowed were only passed in 2022 by the recent government. I was not criticising the current government but the sentences handed down. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 20:08]
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:12 - Jul 18 with 1608 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:07 - Jul 18 by Mercian |
Not the current government but the law and sentences allowed were only passed in 2022 by the recent government. I was not criticising the current government but the sentences handed down. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 20:08]
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Your subject title is "The government want to stop prison overcrowding". I assumed you meant the new government, given what they've said about prison overcrowding (and the fact that the previous government did nothing about it). | |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:19 - Jul 18 with 1587 views | Buhrer |
It's f ucking disgusting.
Judge Hehir ruled that climate issues were ‘irrelevant and inadmissible’, dismissing them as mere ‘political opinion and belief’. Although the legislation includes a defence of ‘reasonable excuse’ and despite the prosecution acknowledging the imminent catastrophic and irreversible harm from burning fossil fuels, the judge prevented the jury from considering whether the defendants had a reasonable excuse and directed them to ignore any evidence about the climate crisis.
When the defendants insisted on honouring their oaths to tell the jury the whole truth about their actions and refused to leave the witness box until they had done so, the judge repeatedly had them arrested and jailed throughout the trial.
https://juststopoil.org/2024/07/18/whole-truth-five-sentenced-to-4-5-years-at-so |  | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:20 - Jul 18 with 1584 views | jimmyvet |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:07 - Jul 18 by Mercian |
Not the current government but the law and sentences allowed were only passed in 2022 by the recent government. I was not criticising the current government but the sentences handed down. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 20:08]
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Sentences seem reasonable and I am a massive supporter of environmental change. These people believe they have the devine right to commit whatever act they desire without consequences. They do huge damage to the whole environmental movement because of their selfish actions. Hopefully we have a new government that will continue to do the great work the UK has done over many years in being a real leader in many areas of positive environmental change and these idiots don’t undo so much of the good work that has and continues to be done. They are despised by the vast majority of the general public and do absolutely nothing to push forward the change that is needed, they just push the cause backwards with their actions. | | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:21 - Jul 18 with 1576 views | jontysnut |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:52 - Jul 18 by MattinLondon |
The trouble being that this country seems almost addicted to punishment with rehabilitation or non-custodial sentences being viewed as soft - which is daft.
I was listening to the radio and a chap called in to say that he was sentenced to eighteen months imprisonment for mortgage fraud. I know that there is probably no victimless crime but that just seemed ridiculous. If the caller was telling the truth, then he owned his own business (which due to his sentencing closed down making a few people redundant).
He mentioned that his punishment would have been more beneficial to society if instead of prison he had to act as a mentor to young or new entrepreneurs as well as to recently released prisoners wishing to be self-employed.
This country needs to change direction on how we prevent people from a life of crime and how they can be reintegrated back into society. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 18:59]
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Absolutely. Surely we can come up with something non custodial with some wider community benefit more than just picking litter or painting walls for some of these types of crimes which absolutely has consequences for those individuals. You can deprive someone of 'liberty' without banging them up in the Scrubs. Mind you, having said that, Horrible Ives was in Slade Prison for fraud.. |  | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:24 - Jul 18 with 1554 views | Mercian |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:12 - Jul 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Your subject title is "The government want to stop prison overcrowding". I assumed you meant the new government, given what they've said about prison overcrowding (and the fact that the previous government did nothing about it). |
I should have been clearer. I assume that the judge in this case is sympathetic towards The Conservative Party and unhappy that Labour want to reduce the length of sentences and is being reactionary giving a middle finger to Starmer. I do not think this will be the last example either. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 20:25]
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:29 - Jul 18 with 1525 views | Crawfordsboot |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:20 - Jul 18 by jimmyvet |
Sentences seem reasonable and I am a massive supporter of environmental change. These people believe they have the devine right to commit whatever act they desire without consequences. They do huge damage to the whole environmental movement because of their selfish actions. Hopefully we have a new government that will continue to do the great work the UK has done over many years in being a real leader in many areas of positive environmental change and these idiots don’t undo so much of the good work that has and continues to be done. They are despised by the vast majority of the general public and do absolutely nothing to push forward the change that is needed, they just push the cause backwards with their actions. |
The judges comments sum it up quite well
“But the plain fact is that each of you has some time ago crossed the line from concerned campaigner to fanatic. You have appointed yourselves as the sole arbiters of what should be done about climate change, bound neither by the principles of democracy nor the rule of law.”
“And your fanaticism makes you entirely heedless of the rights of your fellow citizens. You have taken it upon yourselves to decide that your fellow citizens must suffer disruption and harm, and how much disruption and harm they must suffer, simply so that you may parade your views.” |  | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:35 - Jul 18 with 1508 views | factual_blue |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:29 - Jul 18 by Crawfordsboot |
The judges comments sum it up quite well
“But the plain fact is that each of you has some time ago crossed the line from concerned campaigner to fanatic. You have appointed yourselves as the sole arbiters of what should be done about climate change, bound neither by the principles of democracy nor the rule of law.”
“And your fanaticism makes you entirely heedless of the rights of your fellow citizens. You have taken it upon yourselves to decide that your fellow citizens must suffer disruption and harm, and how much disruption and harm they must suffer, simply so that you may parade your views.” |
Said the judge, parading his own views, with no sense of irony whatsoever. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:42 - Jul 18 with 1467 views | tcblue |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:13 - Jul 18 by gtsb1966 |
Yes some people missed hospital appointments and operations and there was even a case where a man missed his own father's funeral. That doesn't matter though does it. |
Way more disruption caused by the Queen's funeral shutting down roads in London.
GSTK or whatever folks say on here | | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:44 - Jul 18 with 1457 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:36 - Jul 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
....but it's the red team! |
It doesn’t matter who it is, does it? Don’t we all just want things to work and a fairer society? If any team does things that lead to injustices they should be criticised and challenged. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:45 - Jul 18 with 1455 views | Mercian |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:20 - Jul 18 by jimmyvet |
Sentences seem reasonable and I am a massive supporter of environmental change. These people believe they have the devine right to commit whatever act they desire without consequences. They do huge damage to the whole environmental movement because of their selfish actions. Hopefully we have a new government that will continue to do the great work the UK has done over many years in being a real leader in many areas of positive environmental change and these idiots don’t undo so much of the good work that has and continues to be done. They are despised by the vast majority of the general public and do absolutely nothing to push forward the change that is needed, they just push the cause backwards with their actions. |
Great work like banning no drive zones in cities. Trying to ban local shopping centres withing cities so people have to drive miles to the centre or outskirts of said cities. Delaying the carbon neutral date more than once. Planning to re-open coal mines. Planning to open more oil rigs in The North Sea. Great work like that? With respect you seem to be a massive supporter of environmental change as long as it does not cause any inconvenience. It will be more than an inconvenience in 100 years time when land that currently 1/3 of the world's population lives will be below sea level. You, I and nobody else who posts on this board will be alive to have to deal with that though. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 20:53]
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:47 - Jul 18 with 1451 views | Crawfordsboot |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:35 - Jul 18 by factual_blue |
Said the judge, parading his own views, with no sense of irony whatsoever. |
Now what if I happen to be a fundamentalist Christian believing that the Sabbath is sacred and that it is blasphemous for football matches to be staged on a Sunday.
I might stand outside the ground for the Town v Chelsea fixture holding a protest banner as is my right. You might all ignore me, or think I am a nutter, as is your right. If I then up the ante by taking direct action and call in a bomb threat to stop the game going ahead are you going to accept that I am just exercising my right to protest?
I would ask that before supporting the right to cause such disruption we ask ourselves what we as individuals have done in response to climate change. I suspect that many of the righteous have done very little.
P.S. For the avoidance of doubt I’m an atheist and I drive an electric car powered by solar. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 20:51]
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:48 - Jul 18 with 1440 views | NthQldITFC |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 20:19 - Jul 18 by Buhrer |
It's f ucking disgusting.
Judge Hehir ruled that climate issues were ‘irrelevant and inadmissible’, dismissing them as mere ‘political opinion and belief’. Although the legislation includes a defence of ‘reasonable excuse’ and despite the prosecution acknowledging the imminent catastrophic and irreversible harm from burning fossil fuels, the judge prevented the jury from considering whether the defendants had a reasonable excuse and directed them to ignore any evidence about the climate crisis.
When the defendants insisted on honouring their oaths to tell the jury the whole truth about their actions and refused to leave the witness box until they had done so, the judge repeatedly had them arrested and jailed throughout the trial.
https://juststopoil.org/2024/07/18/whole-truth-five-sentenced-to-4-5-years-at-so |
Stupid bewigged old wanchor. |  |
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