| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? 16:44 - Jul 24 with 24827 views | giant_stow |
You lot are slipping. Could be serious social strife ahead. |  |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 10:53 - Jul 26 with 1669 views | NeedhamChris |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 10:13 - Jul 26 by yesjohn99 |
So strange. Man allegedly hits woman and breaks her nose. Man gets adequate punishment. People defend man. |
You're either incapable of understanding this or choosing not to. However I've not seen anyone on here defend the actions of the man concerned - would challenge you to find any examples that have.
Some of the more rabid members of our society on here seem to think that the police dishing out vigilante punishment is worth celebrating. Others think it's an unnecessary use of excessive force that wasn't needed in that instance.
It might be too complex a concept for you to comprehend, but it is possible to think both 1) what a despicable man for breaking the officers nose and 2) what a wholly inappropriate use of force it was |  |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 10:58 - Jul 26 with 1647 views | NeedhamChris |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 10:51 - Jul 26 by textbackup |
If someone punched and broke my nose when carry out my job id want to see my workmate fly in to my defence… does that make me wrong? Nope… are you wrong? Nope. Matter of opinions
I’ve been in many situations with police, but guess what, they’ve never felt the need to taser me, or kick me in the head.
Innocent bystanders don’t just get tasered.
Innocent people sitting on a bench don’t just get kicked in the head. |
Your workmates sole responsibility in his job isn't to uphold the laws of this country though, I assume?
Just adding some more ridiculous generalised assumptions to your last two lines.
Innocent people don't get shot at tube stations
Innocent people don't get maligned as responsible for Hillsborough
Innocent people don't need to worry about being raped and murdered by police officers
Innocent people don't get prosecuted and sent to prison
Innocent people have nothing to worry about from the police | |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:01 - Jul 26 with 1633 views | Zx1988 |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 10:51 - Jul 26 by textbackup |
If someone punched and broke my nose when carry out my job id want to see my workmate fly in to my defence… does that make me wrong? Nope… are you wrong? Nope. Matter of opinions
I’ve been in many situations with police, but guess what, they’ve never felt the need to taser me, or kick me in the head.
Innocent bystanders don’t just get tasered.
Innocent people sitting on a bench don’t just get kicked in the head. |
That's the nature of policing, though. You'll see some absolutely reprehensible stuff, and be expected to maintain a level head throughout.
Even if the chap on the bench had been involved in the alleged earlier fracas, he seemingly posed zero threat to the officers at the point at which he was kicked to the ground. He even had his hands up, for goodness sake.
Police officers use force in situations in which it cannot be avoided, not because someone lamped their mate earlier and has now surrendered. | |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:01 - Jul 26 with 1633 views | Ryorry |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 10:51 - Jul 26 by textbackup |
If someone punched and broke my nose when carry out my job id want to see my workmate fly in to my defence… does that make me wrong? Nope… are you wrong? Nope. Matter of opinions
I’ve been in many situations with police, but guess what, they’ve never felt the need to taser me, or kick me in the head.
Innocent bystanders don’t just get tasered.
Innocent people sitting on a bench don’t just get kicked in the head. |
“Flying to colleague’s defence” - baton to arm/ leg/restraint - great, thanks.
Kicking and stamping on head/s, especially when subject already down, incapacitated or obviously compliant = totally unnecessary, out of control, dangerous, out of order. Hence the suspension. |  |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:06 - Jul 26 with 1611 views | Zx1988 |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:01 - Jul 26 by Ryorry |
“Flying to colleague’s defence” - baton to arm/ leg/restraint - great, thanks.
Kicking and stamping on head/s, especially when subject already down, incapacitated or obviously compliant = totally unnecessary, out of control, dangerous, out of order. Hence the suspension. |
You'd like to think that proclivities such as this would be picked out during the psychological evaluation stage of the application process.
Then again, there are so many guides out there to snagging plum jobs such as this, that there's probably a whole manual on passing a psych evaluation without coming across as the sort of chap who'd kick a restrained prisoner in the head.
"When answering questions such as 'why do you want to be a police officer?' refrain from using words such as 'power', 'revenge', or 'untouchable'." | |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:11 - Jul 26 with 1586 views | Ryorry |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:06 - Jul 26 by Zx1988 |
You'd like to think that proclivities such as this would be picked out during the psychological evaluation stage of the application process.
Then again, there are so many guides out there to snagging plum jobs such as this, that there's probably a whole manual on passing a psych evaluation without coming across as the sort of chap who'd kick a restrained prisoner in the head.
"When answering questions such as 'why do you want to be a police officer?' refrain from using words such as 'power', 'revenge', or 'untouchable'." |
Might well be proved wrong and not just a one-off for that officer, but looks like he just completely lost it. | |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:24 - Jul 26 with 1535 views | yesjohn99 |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 10:53 - Jul 26 by NeedhamChris |
You're either incapable of understanding this or choosing not to. However I've not seen anyone on here defend the actions of the man concerned - would challenge you to find any examples that have.
Some of the more rabid members of our society on here seem to think that the police dishing out vigilante punishment is worth celebrating. Others think it's an unnecessary use of excessive force that wasn't needed in that instance.
It might be too complex a concept for you to comprehend, but it is possible to think both 1) what a despicable man for breaking the officers nose and 2) what a wholly inappropriate use of force it was |
Of course it’s possible to think both. It’s just that I don’t.
In my opinion, raise your hand to a lady, you lose all your rights. | | | |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:37 - Jul 26 with 1502 views | yesjohn99 |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 10:46 - Jul 26 by Ryorry |
As a female, the last thing I’d want to happen if someone punched and broke my nose, would be to see that person’s head get repeatedly kicked and then stamped on by a trained officer who’s supposed to be able to control themselves more than the general public, thus apparently demonstrating that lawless over-reaction, possibly resulting in a fatality, is somehow OK.
I’d also ask you and Texters whether you’d have been so magnanimous to the police if you’d been tasered just because you happened to be a bystander, or had your head kicked in because you’d been sitting inactively on a nearby bench with your hands on your head. |
Bystanders tasered is bang out of order. Pretty obvious that. Kicked/punched for sitting on a bench out of order. Pretty obvious that.
A man raising his hands to a lady though……. | | | |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:41 - Jul 26 with 1477 views | noggin |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 10:51 - Jul 26 by textbackup |
If someone punched and broke my nose when carry out my job id want to see my workmate fly in to my defence… does that make me wrong? Nope… are you wrong? Nope. Matter of opinions
I’ve been in many situations with police, but guess what, they’ve never felt the need to taser me, or kick me in the head.
Innocent bystanders don’t just get tasered.
Innocent people sitting on a bench don’t just get kicked in the head. |
What were your thoughts on the Dalian Atkinson killing? |  |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:45 - Jul 26 with 1468 views | textbackup |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 10:58 - Jul 26 by NeedhamChris |
Your workmates sole responsibility in his job isn't to uphold the laws of this country though, I assume?
Just adding some more ridiculous generalised assumptions to your last two lines.
Innocent people don't get shot at tube stations
Innocent people don't get maligned as responsible for Hillsborough
Innocent people don't need to worry about being raped and murdered by police officers
Innocent people don't get prosecuted and sent to prison
Innocent people have nothing to worry about from the police |
Yeah I’ll give you a couple of those examples, on the whole though, imagine trying to deal with the general public these days.
Camera stuck in face, giving zero fcks to the law. Can see why the police snap at times, they are only human. |  |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:47 - Jul 26 with 1437 views | noggin |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:45 - Jul 26 by textbackup |
Yeah I’ll give you a couple of those examples, on the whole though, imagine trying to deal with the general public these days.
Camera stuck in face, giving zero fcks to the law. Can see why the police snap at times, they are only human. |
"Can see why the police snap at times, they are only human."
Of course, I have lost my temper with public, in my job. I have never stamped on anyone's head though. | |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:48 - Jul 26 with 1444 views | BarcaBlue |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:37 - Jul 26 by yesjohn99 |
Bystanders tasered is bang out of order. Pretty obvious that. Kicked/punched for sitting on a bench out of order. Pretty obvious that.
A man raising his hands to a lady though……. |
A man raising his hands to a lady...
...doesn't warrant a violent stamp on the head. After just being kicked in the head. The potential consequences are potentially brain injuries and / or death. It's not up to the police or anyone else other than the courts to administer justice, retribution or whatever the conequences are. |  | | |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:53 - Jul 26 with 1433 views | yesjohn99 |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:48 - Jul 26 by BarcaBlue |
A man raising his hands to a lady...
...doesn't warrant a violent stamp on the head. After just being kicked in the head. The potential consequences are potentially brain injuries and / or death. It's not up to the police or anyone else other than the courts to administer justice, retribution or whatever the conequences are. |
Then get let out of prison nice and early. That’s even if they get a custodial sentence. | | | |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:11 - Jul 26 with 1385 views | Churchman |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:48 - Jul 26 by BarcaBlue |
A man raising his hands to a lady...
...doesn't warrant a violent stamp on the head. After just being kicked in the head. The potential consequences are potentially brain injuries and / or death. It's not up to the police or anyone else other than the courts to administer justice, retribution or whatever the conequences are. |
I thought he punched her in the face rather than ‘raising his hands’?
Assuming I’m right, that too can be fatal. As a little digression, in WW1 when they were improvising weapons for particularly trench raiding - maces, knuckle dusters, iron or wooden batons with barbed wire and / or nails, axes, knives, bayonets etc were used. But they found one of the best weapons was the butt of an SMLE rifle. Hit between the eyes, the recipient would die immediately or a few hours later. The hob nailed army boot was also a very effective weapon, ironically
Don’t underestimate the impact of a hit in the face done with intent and force.
No, I’m not justifying what happened, but nor am I diminishing what happened to that police officer. |  | | |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:19 - Jul 26 with 1362 views | BarcaBlue |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:11 - Jul 26 by Churchman |
I thought he punched her in the face rather than ‘raising his hands’?
Assuming I’m right, that too can be fatal. As a little digression, in WW1 when they were improvising weapons for particularly trench raiding - maces, knuckle dusters, iron or wooden batons with barbed wire and / or nails, axes, knives, bayonets etc were used. But they found one of the best weapons was the butt of an SMLE rifle. Hit between the eyes, the recipient would die immediately or a few hours later. The hob nailed army boot was also a very effective weapon, ironically
Don’t underestimate the impact of a hit in the face done with intent and force.
No, I’m not justifying what happened, but nor am I diminishing what happened to that police officer. |
That is irrelevant.
You can't have the police carrying out their own justice, revenge or retribution by stamping on people's heads.
I was quoting the previous poster and would have quoted had they said a punch in the face rather than raising hands. | | | |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:26 - Jul 26 with 1348 views | Churchman |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:19 - Jul 26 by BarcaBlue |
That is irrelevant.
You can't have the police carrying out their own justice, revenge or retribution by stamping on people's heads.
I was quoting the previous poster and would have quoted had they said a punch in the face rather than raising hands. |
Actually, I think it’s relevant. Reducing thumping somebody in the face to ‘raising hands’ implies that the bloke was really doing very little and was subjected to unprovoked attack.
With regard to your second paragraph I’ve not suggested police should carry out their own justice. I’ll repeat - justice system should apply to all. | | | |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:31 - Jul 26 with 1335 views | textbackup |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:48 - Jul 26 by BarcaBlue |
A man raising his hands to a lady...
...doesn't warrant a violent stamp on the head. After just being kicked in the head. The potential consequences are potentially brain injuries and / or death. It's not up to the police or anyone else other than the courts to administer justice, retribution or whatever the conequences are. |
Ok… man punch’s your wife in the face whilst in the airport before you go on holiday…
Do you,
A) stand and watch in the hope the courts deal with him in 6-9months
B) or be filled with rage and do something back | |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:39 - Jul 26 with 1316 views | BarcaBlue |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:31 - Jul 26 by textbackup |
Ok… man punch’s your wife in the face whilst in the airport before you go on holiday…
Do you,
A) stand and watch in the hope the courts deal with him in 6-9months
B) or be filled with rage and do something back |
I don't think the two police officers were husband and wife and about to go on holiday. I think they were public servants with training that should result in an arrest without a violent stamp on the head. | | | |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:43 - Jul 26 with 1295 views | NedPlimpton |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:31 - Jul 26 by textbackup |
Ok… man punch’s your wife in the face whilst in the airport before you go on holiday…
Do you,
A) stand and watch in the hope the courts deal with him in 6-9months
B) or be filled with rage and do something back |
Am I a police officer?
Is my wife my colleague in this scenario?
Am I carrying a gun?
Is the person who has supposedly struck my wife already restrained on the floor?
Did anything happen prior to my wife supposedly getting struck in the face that could add further context to the whole situation? |  | | |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:45 - Jul 26 with 1273 views | textbackup |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:43 - Jul 26 by NedPlimpton |
Am I a police officer?
Is my wife my colleague in this scenario?
Am I carrying a gun?
Is the person who has supposedly struck my wife already restrained on the floor?
Did anything happen prior to my wife supposedly getting struck in the face that could add further context to the whole situation? |
Youre a normal bloke.
Wife has been punched, nose broken.
Person is on the floor in cuffs.
Chance to boot him gifts itself…
You taking it or not? | |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:47 - Jul 26 with 1261 views | textbackup |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:39 - Jul 26 by BarcaBlue |
I don't think the two police officers were husband and wife and about to go on holiday. I think they were public servants with training that should result in an arrest without a violent stamp on the head. |
So that’s option A then? | |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:51 - Jul 26 with 1237 views | NedPlimpton |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:45 - Jul 26 by textbackup |
Youre a normal bloke.
Wife has been punched, nose broken.
Person is on the floor in cuffs.
Chance to boot him gifts itself…
You taking it or not? |
So what's the relevance to this scenario?
The guy is a police officer and the person who supposedly* has her nose broken isn't his wife
*I say supposedly as I've not seen any reports to confirm this and would welcome them. Also I have seen reports saying that the mother of the person being restrained was struck, so how do people feel about a guy defending his mother? | | | |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:58 - Jul 26 with 1203 views | Ryorry |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:45 - Jul 26 by textbackup |
Youre a normal bloke.
Wife has been punched, nose broken.
Person is on the floor in cuffs.
Chance to boot him gifts itself…
You taking it or not? |
If someone breaks into your home, you are expected to use no more than “reasonable force” in defending yourself/family - anything more than that is deemed illegal and you’d be prosecuted for it - as has actually happened irl. | |
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| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 13:22 - Jul 26 with 2295 views | Buhrer |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:31 - Jul 26 by textbackup |
Ok… man punch’s your wife in the face whilst in the airport before you go on holiday…
Do you,
A) stand and watch in the hope the courts deal with him in 6-9months
B) or be filled with rage and do something back |
I learnt in the playground; you don't hit girls, and you don't kick someone in the head once you've put them down. People that do are not "real men".
Do you think the lad on the ground might have said something about the coppers mum? Only way it could be justified shirley? |  | | |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 13:24 - Jul 26 with 2281 views | Zx1988 |
| Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 13:22 - Jul 26 by Buhrer |
I learnt in the playground; you don't hit girls, and you don't kick someone in the head once you've put them down. People that do are not "real men".
Do you think the lad on the ground might have said something about the coppers mum? Only way it could be justified shirley? |
Even then, the more rational response would be something along the lines of:
"Yes, my mother may be [insert slur here]. But I'm not the one who's going to be doing a few years at His Majesty's pleasure for assaulting a police officer. Swings and roundabouts, ain't it?"
Rather than using a restrained man's head as a football. | |
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