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Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 10:14 - Jul 27 by BarcaBlue
What have you got against them peacefully protesting outside a police station. Were you also complaining about the protest in a public space following the murder of Sarah Everard? If not, what's the difference?
Again I will ask,protesting about what? The officer is going to face criminal charges for what he done does a protest make any difference? Holding up trams and such was pointless don’t you agree? What has Sarah Everard got to do with it do we also have a protest about Army officers and soldiers being stabbed on our streets?
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Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:38 - Jul 27 with 1612 views
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:17 - Jul 27 by bluejacko
Again I will ask,protesting about what? The officer is going to face criminal charges for what he done does a protest make any difference? Holding up trams and such was pointless don’t you agree? What has Sarah Everard got to do with it do we also have a protest about Army officers and soldiers being stabbed on our streets?
I don't believe you can be that naive to not know what they were protesting against. What were the women protesting about if the murderer had been caught, or can't you work that out either?
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Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:43 - Jul 27 with 1573 views
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:17 - Jul 27 by bluejacko
Again I will ask,protesting about what? The officer is going to face criminal charges for what he done does a protest make any difference? Holding up trams and such was pointless don’t you agree? What has Sarah Everard got to do with it do we also have a protest about Army officers and soldiers being stabbed on our streets?
Protesting about police brutality, whether racially motivated or not. Surely you can understand that is worthy of protest?
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 11:17 - Jul 27 by bluejacko
Again I will ask,protesting about what? The officer is going to face criminal charges for what he done does a protest make any difference? Holding up trams and such was pointless don’t you agree? What has Sarah Everard got to do with it do we also have a protest about Army officers and soldiers being stabbed on our streets?
Out of interest what would you be protesting against in regards to the army officer being stabbed?
All knife crime? All violence against public officials?
Or is there something else about this particular crime that you are angling at but aren't saying
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Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:11 - Jul 27 with 1524 views
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 13:24 - Jul 26 by Zx1988
Even then, the more rational response would be something along the lines of:
"Yes, my mother may be [insert slur here]. But I'm not the one who's going to be doing a few years at His Majesty's pleasure for assaulting a police officer. Swings and roundabouts, ain't it?"
Rather than using a restrained man's head as a football.
Only mention this because I've seen it mentioned multiple times in this thread and elsewhere. Not that it makes it any better, but he was not restrained at all. He was just lying there.
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:11 - Jul 27 by Cheltenham_Blue
Only mention this because I've seen it mentioned multiple times in this thread and elsewhere. Not that it makes it any better, but he was not restrained at all. He was just lying there.
After being tasered, right? Presumably still with the tasery things still in him! I'd say that's pretty restrained
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Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 14:02 - Jul 27 with 1412 views
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 12:39 - Jul 26 by BarcaBlue
I don't think the two police officers were husband and wife and about to go on holiday. I think they were public servants with training that should result in an arrest without a violent stamp on the head.
You don't know the full story, as to why the police officer acted in that way though do you?!
You only know what the person who has posted that particular interaction with the police wants you to know... And that's the issue.. the police have a difficult job to do... Yes they received training and in particular, officer safety training and the appropriate use of force etc. but they are still also human!
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Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 14:12 - Jul 27 with 1393 views
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 14:02 - Jul 27 by Jimmy86
You don't know the full story, as to why the police officer acted in that way though do you?!
You only know what the person who has posted that particular interaction with the police wants you to know... And that's the issue.. the police have a difficult job to do... Yes they received training and in particular, officer safety training and the appropriate use of force etc. but they are still also human!
Like some others on this thread, I am struggling to understand what possible back story could justify the officer's actions in that moment.
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 14:02 - Jul 27 by Jimmy86
You don't know the full story, as to why the police officer acted in that way though do you?!
You only know what the person who has posted that particular interaction with the police wants you to know... And that's the issue.. the police have a difficult job to do... Yes they received training and in particular, officer safety training and the appropriate use of force etc. but they are still also human!
The video is very clear. The guy was no threat to the officer who stamped on his head. Whatever happened prior to that is pretty irrelevant to the assault. We all know what happened to Dalian Atkinson after he had been tasered, and I'm guessing that you were as disgusted by that attack as I was?
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 14:02 - Jul 27 by Jimmy86
You don't know the full story, as to why the police officer acted in that way though do you?!
You only know what the person who has posted that particular interaction with the police wants you to know... And that's the issue.. the police have a difficult job to do... Yes they received training and in particular, officer safety training and the appropriate use of force etc. but they are still also human!
Just a guess, but I'm going to say the kick and the stamp was completely inappropriate use of force, irrespective of what the full story is, the kid was prone, albeit not restrained, but there was no threat from him to any officer, that would have necessitated the officers actions.
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 14:02 - Jul 27 by Jimmy86
You don't know the full story, as to why the police officer acted in that way though do you?!
You only know what the person who has posted that particular interaction with the police wants you to know... And that's the issue.. the police have a difficult job to do... Yes they received training and in particular, officer safety training and the appropriate use of force etc. but they are still also human!
Go on then, give me a hypothetical situation where it would be acceptable for a trained police officer to violently stamp on a person's head, a person who is sprawled on the floor who has just received a kick to the head and is already motionless.
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Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 15:45 - Jul 27 with 1282 views
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 14:34 - Jul 27 by BarcaBlue
Go on then, give me a hypothetical situation where it would be acceptable for a trained police officer to violently stamp on a person's head, a person who is sprawled on the floor who has just received a kick to the head and is already motionless.
Read back through this thread... At no point have I ever said that the actions of the police officer were justified... He has been suspended and rightfully so.. he will be subject of any disciplinary action or criminal prosecution.. again 100% correct.. that use of force was unjustified, but the video posted only shows the reprehensible actions of that officer.. not what went on before it, that could have led to that kind of action taken..
What I have aluded to, which you and others have failed to acknowledge is that context is everything...
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Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 15:51 - Jul 27 with 1259 views
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 14:17 - Jul 27 by noggin
The video is very clear. The guy was no threat to the officer who stamped on his head. Whatever happened prior to that is pretty irrelevant to the assault. We all know what happened to Dalian Atkinson after he had been tasered, and I'm guessing that you were as disgusted by that attack as I was?
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Your naive to think that whatever happened prior to this video is irrelevant as to the actions of this police officer..
If he did punch a female officer and break her nose, that would be enough to rile the officer...
If he did attempt to dispossess the firearms officer of his weapon, as has been reported in some circles (again, not confirmed and speculation) then that would cause heightened response from said officer..
None of it justifies kicking a prone individual on the floor in the head though.. but a lot of people on this thread appear unable to acknowledge that there could be extenuating circumstances regarding the victim..
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Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 16:02 - Jul 27 with 1234 views
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 15:51 - Jul 27 by Jimmy86
Your naive to think that whatever happened prior to this video is irrelevant as to the actions of this police officer..
If he did punch a female officer and break her nose, that would be enough to rile the officer...
If he did attempt to dispossess the firearms officer of his weapon, as has been reported in some circles (again, not confirmed and speculation) then that would cause heightened response from said officer..
None of it justifies kicking a prone individual on the floor in the head though.. but a lot of people on this thread appear unable to acknowledge that there could be extenuating circumstances regarding the victim..
But this is my point.
My dictionary has the definition of extenuating as "tending to lessen the real or apparent seriousness of something (such as a crime, offense, or fault) : providing a partial justification or excuse for something."
IMO there can be NO extenuating circumstances in this case.
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 15:51 - Jul 27 by Jimmy86
Your naive to think that whatever happened prior to this video is irrelevant as to the actions of this police officer..
If he did punch a female officer and break her nose, that would be enough to rile the officer...
If he did attempt to dispossess the firearms officer of his weapon, as has been reported in some circles (again, not confirmed and speculation) then that would cause heightened response from said officer..
None of it justifies kicking a prone individual on the floor in the head though.. but a lot of people on this thread appear unable to acknowledge that there could be extenuating circumstances regarding the victim..
"If he did attempt to dispossess the firearms officer of his weapon, as has been reported in some circles (again, not confirmed and speculation) then that would cause heightened response from said officer.."
Let's be serious here, if that were the case, he would have been shot dead.
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 15:51 - Jul 27 by Jimmy86
Your naive to think that whatever happened prior to this video is irrelevant as to the actions of this police officer..
If he did punch a female officer and break her nose, that would be enough to rile the officer...
If he did attempt to dispossess the firearms officer of his weapon, as has been reported in some circles (again, not confirmed and speculation) then that would cause heightened response from said officer..
None of it justifies kicking a prone individual on the floor in the head though.. but a lot of people on this thread appear unable to acknowledge that there could be extenuating circumstances regarding the victim..
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 18:43 - Jul 27 by NedPlimpton
Absolutely looks like he has been tasered to me
And looking at that video, which will have been CCTV footage of the area concerned, available to law enforcement via a GDPR request, the suspect deserved to be tasered for what he did... That should have then stopped there and was enough to detain him safely... Reasonable force has been used up until this point..
What followed by the firearms officer was not reasonable force and is rightly under investigation
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Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 18:55 - Jul 27 with 1011 views
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 17:54 - Jul 27 by Cheltenham_Blue
Here's the context..
[Post edited 27 Jul 2024 18:07]
This changes everything for me.
My brother is a police officer. If he had acted the way the original footage showed I’d be utterly ashamed. Had he been subject to what the new video shows then to be honest I’d be commending him for not caving the guy’s head in entirely.
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Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 18:57 - Jul 27 with 990 views
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 18:55 - Jul 27 by Sarge
This changes everything for me.
My brother is a police officer. If he had acted the way the original footage showed I’d be utterly ashamed. Had he been subject to what the new video shows then to be honest I’d be commending him for not caving the guy’s head in entirely.
Yeah because kicking and stamping on a guys head who has just been tasered is well hard
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Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 19:34 - Jul 27 with 1714 views
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 09:45 - Jul 25 by textbackup
Punching a women started all the airport drama, so I’m hugely against that sort of behaviour.
But to answer your question - I’m a person of extreme dark humour
Texters, can you verify that the female police officer was actually punched? Genuine question. I've only seen articles that state 'a female officer had her nose broken'.
Thing is, that could happen in a struggle with a stray elbow, for example. I find it interesting that so much supposition is at play on both sides, ie "racially motivated attack", and "punched a woman". This kind of rhetoric is not helpful before facts are fully understood, and is the kind of thing that allows protests to get out of hand. (See the Leeds riots recently)
As a woman myself, I echo Ryorry's sentiment that even if I was punched by a man, I certainly would not want anyone to retaliate with the level of violence that was inflicted on that young man. Violence is not the right response to violence. That's how wars start and cause so much tragedy and devastation.
I would, however, want to press charges against anyone who assaulted me and let them face the courts and be punished appropriately.
Nothing on the manchester airport thing yet? on 19:34 - Jul 27 by Hugoagogo_Reborn
Texters, can you verify that the female police officer was actually punched? Genuine question. I've only seen articles that state 'a female officer had her nose broken'.
Thing is, that could happen in a struggle with a stray elbow, for example. I find it interesting that so much supposition is at play on both sides, ie "racially motivated attack", and "punched a woman". This kind of rhetoric is not helpful before facts are fully understood, and is the kind of thing that allows protests to get out of hand. (See the Leeds riots recently)
As a woman myself, I echo Ryorry's sentiment that even if I was punched by a man, I certainly would not want anyone to retaliate with the level of violence that was inflicted on that young man. Violence is not the right response to violence. That's how wars start and cause so much tragedy and devastation.
I would, however, want to press charges against anyone who assaulted me and let them face the courts and be punished appropriately.
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