| Kalvin 14:57 - Aug 12 with 8908 views | Blooos |
Anyone saying no to this needs their head banging on a wall. This man was voted englands player of the year 3 years ago, 28 years old so not at the end of his career. Yes he’s on a big wage but we wouldn’t be paying all of it.. 100k a week over 12 months is less than £5m, he’d cost at least £20m to buy so for me if possible, it’s a no brainer. |  | | |  |
| Kalvin on 16:09 - Aug 12 with 2194 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Kalvin on 15:56 - Aug 12 by Blooos |
Some people have obviously let the recent success go to their head, saying no to someone of his calibre is mental. Hamer is a good player but he’s 5ft 7, with Morsy not being the tallest either we need some more height in the middle. |
Some people have obviously let the recent success go to their head, saying yes to someone on 100k a week who has been described as unfit on the basis of what they did 3 years is mental. It's like they don't remember what happened when we brought in people like Serini on more money. Hamer is a good player and has demonstrated his height is no issue. Sheaf is 6ft 1 if height is truly a factor. |  |
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| Kalvin on 16:11 - Aug 12 with 2158 views | ITFCBlues |
| Kalvin on 16:04 - Aug 12 by NedPlimpton |
I didn't realise that Phillips was the only CM option
Our scouting network really has gone downhill!
Also, I said it's a gamble. Doesn't feel like too controversial an opinion?!? |
because if we're turning our noses up at England internationals, then it really is only down hill from there with regards to the quality we could attract isn't it? Unless we're happy to spend circa 30m+ on players.
Forget the West Ham stuff, if he's playing week in week out, he'd be an excellent addition. He didn't get that chance at West Ham. |  |
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| Kalvin on 16:15 - Aug 12 with 2125 views | NedPlimpton |
| Kalvin on 16:11 - Aug 12 by ITFCBlues |
because if we're turning our noses up at England internationals, then it really is only down hill from there with regards to the quality we could attract isn't it? Unless we're happy to spend circa 30m+ on players.
Forget the West Ham stuff, if he's playing week in week out, he'd be an excellent addition. He didn't get that chance at West Ham. |
Forget someone's most recent performances who's potentially going to become the club's highest ever earner?
Forgive my nerves about that! |  | | |
| Kalvin on 16:15 - Aug 12 with 2126 views | ITFCson |
No doubt it is a risk, but a risk very much worth taking. Pep bought him, Gareth Southgate blamed Englands poor performances on not having a peak Kalvin Phillips. If he reaches 80% of what he has shown at his peak would be a real asset. All that said I don't see us getting him. | | | |
| Kalvin on 16:24 - Aug 12 with 2048 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Don’t be ridiculous. He was embarrassingly inept at West Ham for £6 million a year - he’d be disastrous at a club like Ipswich for being inept AND destroying the pay structure (assuming McKenna hasn’t dropped by that already) | |
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| Kalvin on 16:27 - Aug 12 with 2065 views | Garv |
Everton probably said the same about Dele Alli.
I agree with you on the whole and I'd naturally be excited if he signs but it is a risk and doesn't particularly fit our usual recruitment strategy.
Anyone McKenna deems the right player is good enough for me to be honest. |  |
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| Kalvin on 16:29 - Aug 12 with 2042 views | ITFCBlues |
| Kalvin on 16:15 - Aug 12 by NedPlimpton |
Forget someone's most recent performances who's potentially going to become the club's highest ever earner?
Forgive my nerves about that! |
He's not going to be the clubs biggest earner is he? He'd very highly likely be a loan. Think of how many players we've signed the last couple of years who were out of favour at their clubs. Should we send Morsy, Hirst and Luongo back? Maybe Davis as well as he was deemed not good enough for Leeds. I think you need a reality check - if we're to improve the squad, wages will go up.
Do you think it's possible to add more quality and Premier League ready additions without increasing the wage structure that was in place last season? Do you think this summers signings are on the same level money as those already at the club? | |
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| Kalvin on 16:30 - Aug 12 with 2035 views | ITFCBlues |
| Kalvin on 16:27 - Aug 12 by Garv |
Everton probably said the same about Dele Alli.
I agree with you on the whole and I'd naturally be excited if he signs but it is a risk and doesn't particularly fit our usual recruitment strategy.
Anyone McKenna deems the right player is good enough for me to be honest. |
I'd say it fits our usual recruitment strategy to a tee. Signing underperforming players with good experience and turning their careers around.... | |
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| Kalvin on 16:39 - Aug 12 with 1983 views | NedPlimpton |
| Kalvin on 16:29 - Aug 12 by ITFCBlues |
He's not going to be the clubs biggest earner is he? He'd very highly likely be a loan. Think of how many players we've signed the last couple of years who were out of favour at their clubs. Should we send Morsy, Hirst and Luongo back? Maybe Davis as well as he was deemed not good enough for Leeds. I think you need a reality check - if we're to improve the squad, wages will go up.
Do you think it's possible to add more quality and Premier League ready additions without increasing the wage structure that was in place last season? Do you think this summers signings are on the same level money as those already at the club? |
You seem to automatically bounce to extreme scenarios like "let's not sign anyone then" or "are you expecting wages to stay the same"
There's a middle ground where people are feeling a bit cautious about it given his wages and performances for west ham. I think that's pretty reasonable, but you obviously don't | | | |
| Kalvin on 16:43 - Aug 12 with 1953 views | ITFCBlues |
| Kalvin on 16:39 - Aug 12 by NedPlimpton |
You seem to automatically bounce to extreme scenarios like "let's not sign anyone then" or "are you expecting wages to stay the same"
There's a middle ground where people are feeling a bit cautious about it given his wages and performances for west ham. I think that's pretty reasonable, but you obviously don't |
What about Kiefer Moores wages when he signed on loan? Suspect they were double what anyone in the current squad was on...
He's a loan, his wages aren't reflective of what the rest of the squad would be earning. | |
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| Kalvin on 16:45 - Aug 12 with 1929 views | MK1 |
Would be a fantastic, amazing addition. If KM reckons he can get a tune out of him, then hell yes. It didn't work out for him at West Ham, but we all know the magic of Super Kieran McKenna. What a signing it would be. Doubt it will happen, but fingers firmly crossed that it does. |  |
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| Kalvin on 16:47 - Aug 12 with 1917 views | homer_123 |
| Kalvin on 16:39 - Aug 12 by NedPlimpton |
You seem to automatically bounce to extreme scenarios like "let's not sign anyone then" or "are you expecting wages to stay the same"
There's a middle ground where people are feeling a bit cautious about it given his wages and performances for west ham. I think that's pretty reasonable, but you obviously don't |
His West Ham stint was a car crash - though somewhat predictable.
At Leeds under Bielsa, he was an integral player, nailed on starter and highly valued both as a player but also as person.
Going to City - he was never going to be that.
At West Ham - he was asked to play in a couple of positions and under a manager who has never really utilised a player of that type in the way Bielsa or Pep have.
Here, under KM, would be an environment much more akin to his time at Leeds where he thrived. Clearly there is no guarentee but we would be churlish not to be interested in such a player.
He is what we are looking for given Morsy and Luongo are getting towards the tail end of their career.
At 28, he has plenty of experience, knowledge and skills to bring. Comparing him to Dele Ali isn't fair at all, for lots of reasons. Also, a season or two of decent football here and he still has re-sale value but, moreover, if he rediscovers his form - he would be invaluable to a team like us.
I agree, he would be a risk but any signing is. It certainly isn't risk free but not as much a risk as many are making out. |  |
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| Kalvin on 16:51 - Aug 12 with 1866 views | ITFCBlues |
| Kalvin on 16:47 - Aug 12 by homer_123 |
His West Ham stint was a car crash - though somewhat predictable.
At Leeds under Bielsa, he was an integral player, nailed on starter and highly valued both as a player but also as person.
Going to City - he was never going to be that.
At West Ham - he was asked to play in a couple of positions and under a manager who has never really utilised a player of that type in the way Bielsa or Pep have.
Here, under KM, would be an environment much more akin to his time at Leeds where he thrived. Clearly there is no guarentee but we would be churlish not to be interested in such a player.
He is what we are looking for given Morsy and Luongo are getting towards the tail end of their career.
At 28, he has plenty of experience, knowledge and skills to bring. Comparing him to Dele Ali isn't fair at all, for lots of reasons. Also, a season or two of decent football here and he still has re-sale value but, moreover, if he rediscovers his form - he would be invaluable to a team like us.
I agree, he would be a risk but any signing is. It certainly isn't risk free but not as much a risk as many are making out. |
Quite, it's actually lazy to look at his West Ham spell and draw a conclusion without actually considering why he failed.
By all accounts, he's actually had a good pre-season at Man City as well. But he's clearly not at that level. | |
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| Kalvin on 16:56 - Aug 12 with 1841 views | NedPlimpton |
| Kalvin on 16:47 - Aug 12 by homer_123 |
His West Ham stint was a car crash - though somewhat predictable.
At Leeds under Bielsa, he was an integral player, nailed on starter and highly valued both as a player but also as person.
Going to City - he was never going to be that.
At West Ham - he was asked to play in a couple of positions and under a manager who has never really utilised a player of that type in the way Bielsa or Pep have.
Here, under KM, would be an environment much more akin to his time at Leeds where he thrived. Clearly there is no guarentee but we would be churlish not to be interested in such a player.
He is what we are looking for given Morsy and Luongo are getting towards the tail end of their career.
At 28, he has plenty of experience, knowledge and skills to bring. Comparing him to Dele Ali isn't fair at all, for lots of reasons. Also, a season or two of decent football here and he still has re-sale value but, moreover, if he rediscovers his form - he would be invaluable to a team like us.
I agree, he would be a risk but any signing is. It certainly isn't risk free but not as much a risk as many are making out. |
Agree that the Dele Ali comparison isn't fair, given Ali's struggles with mental health
There were noises about Phillip's attitude towards training at West Ham that would be a worry though
Let's see if it comes off. I'd definitely be excited to have him here but also nervous if it doesn't work out | | | |
| Kalvin on 16:56 - Aug 12 with 1833 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Kalvin on 16:51 - Aug 12 by ITFCBlues |
Quite, it's actually lazy to look at his West Ham spell and draw a conclusion without actually considering why he failed.
By all accounts, he's actually had a good pre-season at Man City as well. But he's clearly not at that level. |
Strangely. Some who say no to Phillips wanted Williams back. |  |
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| Kalvin on 17:01 - Aug 12 with 1812 views | homer_123 |
| Kalvin on 16:56 - Aug 12 by NedPlimpton |
Agree that the Dele Ali comparison isn't fair, given Ali's struggles with mental health
There were noises about Phillip's attitude towards training at West Ham that would be a worry though
Let's see if it comes off. I'd definitely be excited to have him here but also nervous if it doesn't work out |
Yeah, I get that. Isn't Pep on record as apologising for the way he handled KP?
West Ham was an awful fit for him. I see us as being a far better environment for him.
I care not about statement signings but he is the 'type' of player we need and it would be something if we got him. As I say, it's not risk free at all and I can completely understand being nervous about the downsides.
But he ticks so many boxes for us that we'd be silly not to have a good look and try and bring someone in of that calibre. | |
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| Kalvin on 17:07 - Aug 12 with 1742 views | Ryorry |
| Kalvin on 16:47 - Aug 12 by homer_123 |
His West Ham stint was a car crash - though somewhat predictable.
At Leeds under Bielsa, he was an integral player, nailed on starter and highly valued both as a player but also as person.
Going to City - he was never going to be that.
At West Ham - he was asked to play in a couple of positions and under a manager who has never really utilised a player of that type in the way Bielsa or Pep have.
Here, under KM, would be an environment much more akin to his time at Leeds where he thrived. Clearly there is no guarentee but we would be churlish not to be interested in such a player.
He is what we are looking for given Morsy and Luongo are getting towards the tail end of their career.
At 28, he has plenty of experience, knowledge and skills to bring. Comparing him to Dele Ali isn't fair at all, for lots of reasons. Also, a season or two of decent football here and he still has re-sale value but, moreover, if he rediscovers his form - he would be invaluable to a team like us.
I agree, he would be a risk but any signing is. It certainly isn't risk free but not as much a risk as many are making out. |
Good, well-balanced post 👍 |  |
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| Kalvin on 17:11 - Aug 12 with 1728 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Kalvin on 16:47 - Aug 12 by homer_123 |
His West Ham stint was a car crash - though somewhat predictable.
At Leeds under Bielsa, he was an integral player, nailed on starter and highly valued both as a player but also as person.
Going to City - he was never going to be that.
At West Ham - he was asked to play in a couple of positions and under a manager who has never really utilised a player of that type in the way Bielsa or Pep have.
Here, under KM, would be an environment much more akin to his time at Leeds where he thrived. Clearly there is no guarentee but we would be churlish not to be interested in such a player.
He is what we are looking for given Morsy and Luongo are getting towards the tail end of their career.
At 28, he has plenty of experience, knowledge and skills to bring. Comparing him to Dele Ali isn't fair at all, for lots of reasons. Also, a season or two of decent football here and he still has re-sale value but, moreover, if he rediscovers his form - he would be invaluable to a team like us.
I agree, he would be a risk but any signing is. It certainly isn't risk free but not as much a risk as many are making out. |
Permanent move just isn't going to happen. But if Man City are looking to get him out on loan, I can see why we would be appealing. As you say, environment akin to what he had at Leeds as the main man and a chance to get him in the shop window for next summer. We are going to have to financially compete on wage % and loan fee to get that opportunity though. | | | |
| Kalvin on 20:12 - Aug 12 with 1453 views | cressi |
A big no from me done absolutely nothing last 2 seasons awful at West ham massive wages has he got the desire I'm not so sure . | | | |
| Kalvin on 21:19 - Aug 12 with 1331 views | TractorJack |
I highly doubt he'll come here, but if he does I have no doubt KM would get the best out of him. He has all the attributes to be a perfect fit for us. |  | | |
| Kalvin on 21:21 - Aug 12 with 1316 views | WicklowBlue |
| Kalvin on 16:47 - Aug 12 by homer_123 |
His West Ham stint was a car crash - though somewhat predictable.
At Leeds under Bielsa, he was an integral player, nailed on starter and highly valued both as a player but also as person.
Going to City - he was never going to be that.
At West Ham - he was asked to play in a couple of positions and under a manager who has never really utilised a player of that type in the way Bielsa or Pep have.
Here, under KM, would be an environment much more akin to his time at Leeds where he thrived. Clearly there is no guarentee but we would be churlish not to be interested in such a player.
He is what we are looking for given Morsy and Luongo are getting towards the tail end of their career.
At 28, he has plenty of experience, knowledge and skills to bring. Comparing him to Dele Ali isn't fair at all, for lots of reasons. Also, a season or two of decent football here and he still has re-sale value but, moreover, if he rediscovers his form - he would be invaluable to a team like us.
I agree, he would be a risk but any signing is. It certainly isn't risk free but not as much a risk as many are making out. |
Good balanced post Homer!
I think we forget in these days of stats etc that all these players are young men with huge income and all the distractions that brings. So it's easy to dismiss someone who underperformed, whereas no one knows what their physical, emotional and family situations are.
KMck was our biggest signing this year, with a proven record to develop players to a level they have not played at before.
As a loan I'm all in on this, every player needs a home and to be loved and appreciated. Give them the support and environment they'll excel.
Tough deal to do as I suspect someone will fancy a permanent. But I'd love him in our midfield....it would be a big statement of our intention if he's had a good preseason and fit. |  | | |
| Kalvin on 21:25 - Aug 12 with 1293 views | Wakh |
| Kalvin on 15:33 - Aug 12 by Kropotkin123 |
Anyone saying yes to this needs their head banging on a wall. This man hasn't done anything since he was voted England's player of the year 3 years ago. He's 28 years old, so if we buy him and it doesn't work out we won't be able to move him on easily. Whilst 100k a week over 12 months is less than £5m, if we get him on a loan, we wouldn't be developing our own player and his wages may destabilise the team. Therefore buying a player like Hamer or Sheaf at around £20m is a no brainer. [Post edited 12 Aug 2024 15:33]
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Too many variables in that statement.
1) He might be on 100k per week but we are not likely to be paying that so it it is unlikely to destabilise the squad.
2) Don’t underestimate the positive effect that signing a player like Phillips potentially has on the rest of the squad. Yea, signings like this can also have an impact but I can’t see Phillips’s persona bringing that.
3) regarding the loan. Depends on the deal doesn’t it. If it’s a loan to perm then we are absolutely developing our own player.
Harmer or Sheaf a no brainer? Maybe but no guarantees Sheaf can perform at the top level )I personally think he can) but £20m also potentially buys a career threatening injury or a costly loss of form. Neither come with a guarantee.
We can’t compare only the positive potential of Sheat with only the negative potential of Phillips. Football comes with too many variables.
Personally think he would be a fantastic influence on a squad like ours. Maybe not so much on a squad of overpaid failures at some of the other clubs he has been linked with. | | | |
| Kalvin on 21:35 - Aug 12 with 1253 views | ipswichtillidie |
| Kalvin on 16:47 - Aug 12 by homer_123 |
His West Ham stint was a car crash - though somewhat predictable.
At Leeds under Bielsa, he was an integral player, nailed on starter and highly valued both as a player but also as person.
Going to City - he was never going to be that.
At West Ham - he was asked to play in a couple of positions and under a manager who has never really utilised a player of that type in the way Bielsa or Pep have.
Here, under KM, would be an environment much more akin to his time at Leeds where he thrived. Clearly there is no guarentee but we would be churlish not to be interested in such a player.
He is what we are looking for given Morsy and Luongo are getting towards the tail end of their career.
At 28, he has plenty of experience, knowledge and skills to bring. Comparing him to Dele Ali isn't fair at all, for lots of reasons. Also, a season or two of decent football here and he still has re-sale value but, moreover, if he rediscovers his form - he would be invaluable to a team like us.
I agree, he would be a risk but any signing is. It certainly isn't risk free but not as much a risk as many are making out. |
You only have to watch the recent interview with Kevin Nolan on talk sport to realise he is nothing like a say Dele Ali. He’s hungry to get back in and has all the attributes. It’s not a risk in terms of he has been injured either, he just hasn’t played much for lots of reasons. No shame no getting into the city side, one of the best if not the best team in Europe. Didn’t go well at West Ham but he never got a run and clearly wasn’t quite match fit and got caught out. He’s have time here and a fan base who would back him. Would be an incredible signing imo. Forget 150k a week as well we won’t be expected to pay near that. City will want him off the books this season and will cover some of the wages. |  |
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| Kalvin on 22:05 - Aug 12 with 1150 views | Help |
Would take him about 6 months to get to appropriate fitness levels. Not happening. Wrong attitude, overweight. |  |
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| Kalvin on 22:09 - Aug 12 with 1109 views | ipswichtillidie |
| Kalvin on 22:05 - Aug 12 by Help |
Would take him about 6 months to get to appropriate fitness levels. Not happening. Wrong attitude, overweight. |
He’s has a full pre season with City, went to America with them and impressed as a centre half so that would perhaps indicate otherwise. | |
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