| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid 21:48 - Aug 21 with 18201 views | SitfcB |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 08:32 - Aug 22 with 2910 views | portmanking |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 08:23 - Aug 22 by BloomBlue |
£25m is too much for Clarke even with add ons. Dewsbury-Hall went for £30m and Dewsbury-Hall is far superior to Clarke, I would even go as far and say double the player, so £15m is about right for Clarke.
Seems to be different reports on Clarke's current contract but talk of him going into the final year of his contract. He also failed last time he was in the Prem, appreciate he was very young and has learnt/improved since then but £25m would be over the top. |
Looking at Clarke's output, I think you're being very harsh to say he's half the player of D-H.
Clarke is someone who contributes assists *and* goals, whereas D-H is very much a creator-in-chief (albeit a very strong year in second tier goal-wise last season). Gabriel Sara allegedly went for around £18m and Clarke's data is similar (and he's younger).
We also deemed Philogene worthy of £18m and Clarke's data surpasses Jaden's in the last couple of years, so it's easy to see why they'd want £18m-£20m up front IMO - and that's before you factor in his importance to the Sunderland team who'll lose their star man. [Post edited 22 Aug 2024 8:32]
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 08:52 - Aug 22 with 2743 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 05:43 - Aug 22 by ibbleobble |
I’d like to hear your detailed analysis of why that’s the case. My suspicions are you don’t have one. I think others points about the selling clauses are more accurate. Calling Clarke vastly superior to Sarmiento needs some level of explanation…. |
It doesn't really, not if you have seen them both play. |  |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 08:54 - Aug 22 with 2735 views | PhilTWTD |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 01:26 - Aug 22 by Illinoisblue |
Good stuff so long as it doesn’t turn into a Szmodics-style saga. Edit: guess it can’t if the window slams shut in nine days time! |
No, and I assume, if confirmed, Town will have made their move now with the aim of getting it over the line before the scramble in the last few days. |  | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 08:58 - Aug 22 with 2654 views | GavTWTD |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 08:54 - Aug 22 by PhilTWTD |
No, and I assume, if confirmed, Town will have made their move now with the aim of getting it over the line before the scramble in the last few days. |
Allows Sunderland to reinvest too. |  |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:05 - Aug 22 with 2561 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:44 - Aug 22 by ibbleobble |
Anyone can scrape the web and regurgitate stats. My question is, what makes him better and triple the value of Sarmiento? Apples and Oranges comparing Clarke’s stats to Sarmiento’s given he’s had several consistent seasons and game time at Sunderland. |
He’s a much better finisher than Sarmiento. Goals keep you up. Goals cost more. |  |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:07 - Aug 22 with 2530 views | Europablue |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 23:06 - Aug 21 by pointofblue |
Let's be fair for a moment - he should cost more than Delap. If we get him for £15m plus add ons he's a relative steal. |
Why is everyone so down on Delap? He was excellent in the first half against one of the 3 best teams in the league. Clarke is absolutely untested at Premier League level (unless you count the move to Tottenham when he was younger and totally failed).
15 m seems like a reasonable fee. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:08 - Aug 22 with 2503 views | PhilTWTD |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 08:58 - Aug 22 by GavTWTD |
Allows Sunderland to reinvest too. |
I suppose it puts them under pressure to make a decision and get it done quickly. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:08 - Aug 22 with 2499 views | chicoazul |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 08:54 - Aug 22 by PhilTWTD |
No, and I assume, if confirmed, Town will have made their move now with the aim of getting it over the line before the scramble in the last few days. |
Any tea you can spill on outgoings the next two weeks Pip? Amazed certain players are still here although I guess they’re on very good contracts now. |  |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:17 - Aug 22 with 2378 views | Bluemike31 |
Clarke has Two years left on his contract so for me 15 Million won't cut it, especially as Spurs have a 25% sell on clause, I think we are gonna have to be around the 20 Million plus 5 in add ons to stand a chance. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:22 - Aug 22 with 2305 views | tractorboy1978 |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:24 - Aug 22 with 2271 views | PhilTWTD |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:08 - Aug 22 by chicoazul |
Any tea you can spill on outgoings the next two weeks Pip? Amazed certain players are still here although I guess they’re on very good contracts now. |
I think there is definitely an element of that. Players have had contracts increase twice due to promotion and might find it a struggle to match those terms elsewhere. My guess with someone like Freddie Ladapo, who realistically isn't going to play, is that his terms will be settled so they can find somewhere else or Town will end up paying a large proportion of his wages while he spends his final year out on loan. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:25 - Aug 22 with 2248 views | PhilTWTD |
I'm not sure that's right that Town have made previous offers. They've consistently said that they'd not made an approach, despite there being interest. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:26 - Aug 22 with 2215 views | portmanking |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:25 - Aug 22 by PhilTWTD |
I'm not sure that's right that Town have made previous offers. They've consistently said that they'd not made an approach, despite there being interest. |
Perhaps we'd made 'verbal' bids and this is our first 'formal' bid? | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:27 - Aug 22 with 2204 views | PhilTWTD |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:26 - Aug 22 by portmanking |
Perhaps we'd made 'verbal' bids and this is our first 'formal' bid? |
Perhaps, although not as it was put to me, was more that there was interest but hadn't moved on it. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:42 - Aug 22 with 2017 views | pointofblue |
What stands out to me is Sunderland are considering the bid, rather than rejecting it out of hand, which suggests we can't be too far off what they want? | |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:50 - Aug 22 with 1944 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:24 - Aug 22 by PhilTWTD |
I think there is definitely an element of that. Players have had contracts increase twice due to promotion and might find it a struggle to match those terms elsewhere. My guess with someone like Freddie Ladapo, who realistically isn't going to play, is that his terms will be settled so they can find somewhere else or Town will end up paying a large proportion of his wages while he spends his final year out on loan. |
Some serious compounding on those type of % increases - if someone like Ladapo is in a L1 sort of market, that’s one hell of a pay cut needed. |  |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:53 - Aug 22 with 1907 views | baxterbasics |
Dude thinks he is Omari Hutchinson |  |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:55 - Aug 22 with 1868 views | portmanking |
Ipswich Star/EADT describing us as being in "advanced talks" for Clarke. Doesn't sound like this one's going away anytime soon! | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 10:07 - Aug 22 with 1726 views | Europablue |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:21 - Aug 22 by itfcjoe |
Clarke has got 40+ goal contributions across the last 2 Champ seasons so no great claim to say he’s better than Kent and Sarmiento, he simply is |
He has a better record, it doesn't necessarily make him a better player. It probably makes him more valuable. Sarmiento might have more value to us if he comes in as a finisher whereas maybe Clarke will be expecting to start. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 10:08 - Aug 22 with 1706 views | ReusersTown |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 23:16 - Aug 21 by burnbudgiesburn |
Got 2 years of his contract left, we offered 18m for Philogene. Don't think they'll accept our first offer.
I may have read Sunderlands forum too many times recently, and listened to too many Mackems yes! If someone offered £15m for Leif if we had not gone up, most of us would have wanted more. |
Just because we offered that for Philogene doesn't mean every player we're in for is worth that! They're different players. Philogene is almost 2 years younger too, so by that yardstick Clarke probably is only worth 15m max! Leif was also top of the assist charts from fullback with no real injury issues, so that would also be apples to oranges | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 10:10 - Aug 22 with 1681 views | ReusersTown |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 23:06 - Aug 21 by pointofblue |
Let's be fair for a moment - he should cost more than Delap. If we get him for £15m plus add ons he's a relative steal. |
Delap is 21 and has just left City. Clarke is nearly 24 and has already had one failed venture in the Prem. By what logic is should he be worth more than Delap? | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 10:10 - Aug 22 with 1664 views | Europablue |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:25 - Aug 22 by Jon_456 |
There’s a reason Sarmiento is available for £7m yet McKenna would still rather pay circa £20m for Clarke. |
KM has a track record of getting the best out of who he has available to him and bringing players in that were very good at a certain level, but not retained the following season (I'm thinking of John-Jules and Moore) especially with the loans.
Clearly Sarmiento was not the same priority as Hutchinson was for us. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 10:15 - Aug 22 with 1559 views | nrb1985 |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 09:24 - Aug 22 by PhilTWTD |
I think there is definitely an element of that. Players have had contracts increase twice due to promotion and might find it a struggle to match those terms elsewhere. My guess with someone like Freddie Ladapo, who realistically isn't going to play, is that his terms will be settled so they can find somewhere else or Town will end up paying a large proportion of his wages while he spends his final year out on loan. |
Ladapo - legend.
He came for free so I expect was signed on above average wages, then got a promotion bump and then despite barely featuring got another one!
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn he's on something like £15k pw now. Short career and good luck to him, seems a nice guy. Right place, right time. [Post edited 22 Aug 2024 10:17]
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 10:16 - Aug 22 with 1552 views | ibbleobble |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 08:52 - Aug 22 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
It doesn't really, not if you have seen them both play. |
Well, that's me told. I'll cancel my Athletic subscription then. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 10:17 - Aug 22 with 1525 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 10:07 - Aug 22 by Europablue |
He has a better record, it doesn't necessarily make him a better player. It probably makes him more valuable. Sarmiento might have more value to us if he comes in as a finisher whereas maybe Clarke will be expecting to start. |
I feel like I have been transported in to a different universe.
Clarke is clearly a better player than Sarmiento  | |
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