| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid 21:48 - Aug 21 with 17928 views | SitfcB |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:47 - Aug 21 with 3639 views | burnbudgiesburn |
I don't see us getting him for anything less than £20m + £5m in add ons. Whether we have that left in the budget remains to be seen. |  | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:49 - Aug 21 with 3620 views | itfcjoe |
Sunderland fans seem a bit deluded if believe that a player with basically zero PL experience from a club not in receipt of parachute payments is going to fetch £25m, or even £20m as a straight fee |  |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:50 - Aug 21 with 3566 views | PhilTWTD |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:40 - Aug 21 by portmanking |
Indeed. Several legit sources say the sell-on is between 25%-40%. |
Was reliably informed 25 per cent when the link first surfaced a month ago. |  | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:51 - Aug 21 with 3560 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:49 - Aug 21 by itfcjoe |
Sunderland fans seem a bit deluded if believe that a player with basically zero PL experience from a club not in receipt of parachute payments is going to fetch £25m, or even £20m as a straight fee |
Last year of his deal as well ? |  |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:51 - Aug 21 with 3555 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:25 - Aug 21 by ibbleobble |
If Kent is £3m and Sarmiento is £7m, how are Sunderland valuing Clarke at £20m + ??? |
Clarke is a vastly superior footballer to both of those. | |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:51 - Aug 21 with 3564 views | portmanking |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:49 - Aug 21 by itfcjoe |
Sunderland fans seem a bit deluded if believe that a player with basically zero PL experience from a club not in receipt of parachute payments is going to fetch £25m, or even £20m as a straight fee |
Agreed. The problem being he literally holds their entire team together. Hence why their fans have this mythical £25m figure in their head (which no-one at their club has ever confirmed).
I'm inclined to think they'll come back and say they want parity with what we offered Hull for Philogene (£18m upfront + add-ons) and I think that gets it done IMO.
EDIT: Also, interesting to read the Sunderland Echo say our £15m upfront bid is more substantial than *any* other bid the Mackems have had for Clarke. [Post edited 21 Aug 2024 22:54]
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:58 - Aug 21 with 3429 views | ReusersTown |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:47 - Aug 21 by burnbudgiesburn |
I don't see us getting him for anything less than £20m + £5m in add ons. Whether we have that left in the budget remains to be seen. |
Lol, you've got to be joking, or a mackem! | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 23:06 - Aug 21 with 3330 views | pointofblue |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:58 - Aug 21 by ReusersTown |
Lol, you've got to be joking, or a mackem! |
Let's be fair for a moment - he should cost more than Delap. If we get him for £15m plus add ons he's a relative steal. | |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 23:16 - Aug 21 with 3216 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:58 - Aug 21 by ReusersTown |
Lol, you've got to be joking, or a mackem! |
Got 2 years of his contract left, we offered 18m for Philogene. Don't think they'll accept our first offer.
I may have read Sunderlands forum too many times recently, and listened to too many Mackems yes! If someone offered £15m for Leif if we had not gone up, most of us would have wanted more. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 23:17 - Aug 21 with 3212 views | quirkie |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 23:06 - Aug 21 by pointofblue |
Let's be fair for a moment - he should cost more than Delap. If we get him for £15m plus add ons he's a relative steal. |
Just got to pinch yourself each evening as an Ipswich fan nowadays haven't you reading things like this.
What a transformation. |  |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 01:26 - Aug 22 with 2860 views | Illinoisblue |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:17 - Aug 21 by PhilTWTD |
I think there's something in it. I heard we were still keen on him yesterday, although not that there was a bid. Sunderland Echo appears to have had confirmation from their end. |
Good stuff so long as it doesn’t turn into a Szmodics-style saga. Edit: guess it can’t if the window slams shut in nine days time! |  |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 05:43 - Aug 22 with 2654 views | ibbleobble |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:51 - Aug 21 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Clarke is a vastly superior footballer to both of those. |
I’d like to hear your detailed analysis of why that’s the case. My suspicions are you don’t have one. I think others points about the selling clauses are more accurate. Calling Clarke vastly superior to Sarmiento needs some level of explanation…. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 05:58 - Aug 22 with 2625 views | ibbleobble |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:45 - Aug 21 by Wallingford_Boy |
Because he’s a much better player.
Just an idea. |
Are our representatives in Sunderland for the next two weeks working on the deal…? | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:21 - Aug 22 with 2376 views | itfcjoe |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 05:43 - Aug 22 by ibbleobble |
I’d like to hear your detailed analysis of why that’s the case. My suspicions are you don’t have one. I think others points about the selling clauses are more accurate. Calling Clarke vastly superior to Sarmiento needs some level of explanation…. |
Clarke has got 40+ goal contributions across the last 2 Champ seasons so no great claim to say he’s better than Kent and Sarmiento, he simply is | |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:25 - Aug 22 with 2313 views | Jon_456 |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 05:58 - Aug 22 by ibbleobble |
Are our representatives in Sunderland for the next two weeks working on the deal…? |
There’s a reason Sarmiento is available for £7m yet McKenna would still rather pay circa £20m for Clarke. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:27 - Aug 22 with 2297 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:51 - Aug 21 by portmanking |
Agreed. The problem being he literally holds their entire team together. Hence why their fans have this mythical £25m figure in their head (which no-one at their club has ever confirmed).
I'm inclined to think they'll come back and say they want parity with what we offered Hull for Philogene (£18m upfront + add-ons) and I think that gets it done IMO.
EDIT: Also, interesting to read the Sunderland Echo say our £15m upfront bid is more substantial than *any* other bid the Mackems have had for Clarke. [Post edited 21 Aug 2024 22:54]
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Agree with that. We've obviously gone in broadly around the kind of level we think they will accept at this stage of the window. No point going in and taking the p!ss. Will undoubtedly be a bit of negotiation but we must be in the right ballpark. If he's going to leave, I imagine Sunderland will want it done in the next few days so they have a few days to use the money before the window closes as well. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:43 - Aug 22 with 2163 views | SheffordBlue |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:40 - Aug 21 by portmanking |
Indeed. Several legit sources say the sell-on is between 25%-40%. |
They were reported to have paid £750k with no add ons. If they sell for around £20m then even with a 25% sell on fee they are clearing £15m profit on him. | |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:44 - Aug 22 with 2160 views | ibbleobble |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:21 - Aug 22 by itfcjoe |
Clarke has got 40+ goal contributions across the last 2 Champ seasons so no great claim to say he’s better than Kent and Sarmiento, he simply is |
Anyone can scrape the web and regurgitate stats. My question is, what makes him better and triple the value of Sarmiento? Apples and Oranges comparing Clarke’s stats to Sarmiento’s given he’s had several consistent seasons and game time at Sunderland. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:44 - Aug 22 with 2152 views | ibbleobble |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:25 - Aug 22 by Jon_456 |
There’s a reason Sarmiento is available for £7m yet McKenna would still rather pay circa £20m for Clarke. |
Agreed but what is it? | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:53 - Aug 22 with 2071 views | ITFCBlues |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:44 - Aug 22 by ibbleobble |
Anyone can scrape the web and regurgitate stats. My question is, what makes him better and triple the value of Sarmiento? Apples and Oranges comparing Clarke’s stats to Sarmiento’s given he’s had several consistent seasons and game time at Sunderland. |
Have you not just answered your own question? Sarmiento maybe a bargain at 7m, but we don't have time to give him "game time" - we need a player that can contribute NOW to give us the best opportunity of staying up |  |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:54 - Aug 22 with 2053 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:44 - Aug 22 by ibbleobble |
Anyone can scrape the web and regurgitate stats. My question is, what makes him better and triple the value of Sarmiento? Apples and Oranges comparing Clarke’s stats to Sarmiento’s given he’s had several consistent seasons and game time at Sunderland. |
I really like Sarmiento but I just think Clarke is more oven ready. He's a couple of years further on in his development and proven he is a top Championship player. You can't just dismiss the stats. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:55 - Aug 22 with 2047 views | tractordownsouth |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 23:06 - Aug 21 by pointofblue |
Let's be fair for a moment - he should cost more than Delap. If we get him for £15m plus add ons he's a relative steal. |
I agree with you that it will probably take £20m but I don’t think the Delap fee is relevant. Buying from Man City and Sunderland are completely different and Clarke is two years older. |  |
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| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 08:23 - Aug 22 with 1790 views | BloomBlue |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:47 - Aug 21 by burnbudgiesburn |
I don't see us getting him for anything less than £20m + £5m in add ons. Whether we have that left in the budget remains to be seen. |
£25m is too much for Clarke even with add ons. Dewsbury-Hall went for £30m and Dewsbury-Hall is far superior to Clarke, I would even go as far and say double the player, so £15m is about right for Clarke.
Seems to be different reports on Clarke's current contract but talk of him going into the final year of his contract. He also failed last time he was in the Prem, appreciate he was very young and has learnt/improved since then but £25m would be over the top. |  | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 08:25 - Aug 22 with 1770 views | ibbleobble |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 07:53 - Aug 22 by ITFCBlues |
Have you not just answered your own question? Sarmiento maybe a bargain at 7m, but we don't have time to give him "game time" - we need a player that can contribute NOW to give us the best opportunity of staying up |
I’m playing devils advocate, I like Clarke but the flip side to your argument could be that he doesn’t have PL experience and to be honest, Sarmiento did feature in 20 games last season and has had a pre-season so it’s probably a moot point.
If Sarmiento had 2 solid Championship seasons as a guaranteed starter like Clarke, I’d fancy him to get close to Clarke’s numbers. We’ve seen he can get by players, cut inside, comfortably link up play, play in tight spaces, take a shot on, work hard and come up with vital goals or assists. I think he could have done better in some of his starts but I fail to see how Clarke is valued at x 3 what Sarmiento is. IMO Clarke is over valued and Sarmiento is under valued. Our bid for Clarke is a reported £10m so I assume we’ll go as high as £12m or £15m, anything above that and get Sarmiento in for a big discount imo. | | | |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 08:28 - Aug 22 with 1716 views | Europablue |
| Ipswich make Jack Clarke bid on 22:51 - Aug 21 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Clarke is a vastly superior footballer to both of those. |
I'd rather have Sarmiento for 7 than Clarke for 20 plus. It really depends on how much room we have to spend more. I'm assuming that we must be fairly close to the limit, but deals like we did for Szmodics where we didn't pay the whole fee upfront will help. | | | |
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