| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR 18:43 - Sep 3 with 16415 views | ArnieM |
Just to warn people who travel in to was Town from afar. The IBC have a reported, predicted, £22m + shortfall in funding and are planning a raft of cuts to save money.
But one of their planned items to claw in money that caught my eye is their plans to raise car parking fees in the the car parks around Portman Rd on match days, from the reported £6 to a whopping £15!!!!!
How the hell can they justify that? I don't think ITFC will be very impressed. |  |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 09:39 - Sep 4 with 3431 views | Swansea_Blue |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 08:58 - Sep 4 by bluelagos |
I kind of agree for most of us. Park and walk or use public transport is quite doable.
Bit for the elderly/disabled the car park offers a really helpful place to park. Perhaps if they were offered cheaper options it would at least sweeten the bitter pill. |
I don't know about Ippy, but blue badge parking is cheaper in this neck of the woods. We've had a big increase in the last 12 months as well. Used to be a couple of quid in a council car park if we went down to the Liberty. Now about £7-8. Still not anywhere near as bad as these proposed hikes in Ipswich though.
Cheltenham was one of the most expensive I've been to lately. I'm sure I paid around about the £12-15 mark when we were there last in L1. And they certainly weren't investing that back into fixing potholes. The roads were like the surface of the moon! |  |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 09:40 - Sep 4 with 3431 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 08:38 - Sep 4 by Swansea_Blue |
A lot of councils are turning to property development to try and cover the shortfall in central government funding. Some of these will fail, so I agree it is a risk. On the other hand, part of the reason they’re going down this route is because private developers with no ambition for improvements have left our town centres tired and half empty. Council’s investing is a possible route to the regeneration of our town centres (although, annoyingly, the rules around this were changed last year which restricts their access to borrowing for acquiring new properties). |
But councils have had a big part in the death of the high street - I think there seems to be an element of think because they are in theory working for public benefit they can’t possibly be greedy and incompetent. Expensive parking is one of the reasons people have fled to out of town shopping (and online), it’s self destructive by the councils. In my town there is free parking at the weekend and the high street is thriving - not a single empty premise.
Business rates too have crippled small businesses in some towns leading to empty commercial property, I know several small business owners that shifted their business to home for that reason. If that council has invested in commercial premises, whilst charging unviable rates to small business, then that’s just incompetence. There’s also an irony that council staff are back to the office than in the private sector, so they are part of the reason why commercial property occupancy is so low (that’s not an argument against hybrid/wfh I’m all for it, just pointing out the short-sightedness of Councils). |  | | |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 09:44 - Sep 4 with 3420 views | blueasfook |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 09:39 - Sep 4 by Swansea_Blue |
I don't know about Ippy, but blue badge parking is cheaper in this neck of the woods. We've had a big increase in the last 12 months as well. Used to be a couple of quid in a council car park if we went down to the Liberty. Now about £7-8. Still not anywhere near as bad as these proposed hikes in Ipswich though.
Cheltenham was one of the most expensive I've been to lately. I'm sure I paid around about the £12-15 mark when we were there last in L1. And they certainly weren't investing that back into fixing potholes. The roads were like the surface of the moon! |
I thought you were entitled to free parking if you're a blue badge holder? Not sure of the rules personally so feel free to put me right. |  |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 09:54 - Sep 4 with 3371 views | ArnieM |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 09:44 - Sep 4 by blueasfook |
I thought you were entitled to free parking if you're a blue badge holder? Not sure of the rules personally so feel free to put me right. |
No, BB holders still have to pay. They just have dedicated spaces to use.
Most of the brown site land was sold off by IBC to NCP’s so this is why parking is so expensive in this town. The IBC couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery, and have mismanaged the development and running of this town for decades. They’ve allowed it to go down the pan, literally. | |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 10:02 - Sep 4 with 3334 views | portmanroadblue |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 09:54 - Sep 4 by ArnieM |
No, BB holders still have to pay. They just have dedicated spaces to use.
Most of the brown site land was sold off by IBC to NCP’s so this is why parking is so expensive in this town. The IBC couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery, and have mismanaged the development and running of this town for decades. They’ve allowed it to go down the pan, literally. |
Nail on head - Mismanagement and not just by the local councils. |  | | |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 10:13 - Sep 4 with 3287 views | Pinewoodblue |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 08:38 - Sep 4 by Swansea_Blue |
A lot of councils are turning to property development to try and cover the shortfall in central government funding. Some of these will fail, so I agree it is a risk. On the other hand, part of the reason they’re going down this route is because private developers with no ambition for improvements have left our town centres tired and half empty. Council’s investing is a possible route to the regeneration of our town centres (although, annoyingly, the rules around this were changed last year which restricts their access to borrowing for acquiring new properties). |
Ipswich Borough Council however don’t just invest locally they own a business park in Peterborough. Locally thry own Anglia Retail park and the one at Martlesham. They also own the ToysR us property at Copdock which they purchased after ToysR Us closed and it is still empty.
Suppose we should blame the Tories for lending the money, to make the purchases, at a good rate. |  |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 10:24 - Sep 4 with 3266 views | itfcjoe |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 09:54 - Sep 4 by ArnieM |
No, BB holders still have to pay. They just have dedicated spaces to use.
Most of the brown site land was sold off by IBC to NCP’s so this is why parking is so expensive in this town. The IBC couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery, and have mismanaged the development and running of this town for decades. They’ve allowed it to go down the pan, literally. |
IBC have every other council building right on the edge of it, both houses and retail parks and utilising their services at no cost to them.
There needs to be an overarching authourity that deals with the county as a whole because as things stand East Suffolk, Babergh, etc just hammer IBC by building on it's boundary |  |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 10:27 - Sep 4 with 3241 views | Pinewoodblue |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 08:38 - Sep 4 by Swansea_Blue |
A lot of councils are turning to property development to try and cover the shortfall in central government funding. Some of these will fail, so I agree it is a risk. On the other hand, part of the reason they’re going down this route is because private developers with no ambition for improvements have left our town centres tired and half empty. Council’s investing is a possible route to the regeneration of our town centres (although, annoyingly, the rules around this were changed last year which restricts their access to borrowing for acquiring new properties). |
Ipswich Borough Council however don’t just invest locally they own a business park in Peterborough. Locally thry own Anglia Retail park and the one at Martlesham. They also own the ToysR us property at Copdock which they purchased after ToysR Us closed and it is still empty.
Suppose we should blame the Tories for lending the money, to make the purchases, at a good rate. | |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 10:46 - Sep 4 with 3201 views | OldFart71 |
I don't know what the exact figure is now hut two or three years ago at least two members of IBC were paid £250,000 a year. Just as with Governmental departments nobody is responsible for waste. We all remember the situation around Cornhill where they moved the market and pedestrianised the area, putting in seating and strange monoliths. Then some poor old gentleman had a fall and the area was again revamped. In Needham Market, probably 4-5 years ago they did away with the Council offices, a huge building with two car parks. I suggested they tun it into a new surgery as the one we have cannot cope with the numbers of patients. I got a thanks you letter. The building was knocked down and the site still empty. The second car park is a new development with a Co-op. The surgery becomes more and more overloaded with the taking blood tests now being sent to Ipswich. Yet another case of money grabbing, going totally against the Governments need to cut pollution by sending patients far and wide to get treatment they could do close by. | | | |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 11:50 - Sep 4 with 3134 views | ArnieM |
Yes you are correct Oldfart, re the salaries. These people are merely fund holders, distributing the money. They don't generate anything and I'm struggling to see what justification there is for these individuals to be paid such ridiculous salaries for being merely financial administrators. | |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 12:24 - Sep 4 with 3069 views | Dubtractor |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 10:46 - Sep 4 by OldFart71 |
I don't know what the exact figure is now hut two or three years ago at least two members of IBC were paid £250,000 a year. Just as with Governmental departments nobody is responsible for waste. We all remember the situation around Cornhill where they moved the market and pedestrianised the area, putting in seating and strange monoliths. Then some poor old gentleman had a fall and the area was again revamped. In Needham Market, probably 4-5 years ago they did away with the Council offices, a huge building with two car parks. I suggested they tun it into a new surgery as the one we have cannot cope with the numbers of patients. I got a thanks you letter. The building was knocked down and the site still empty. The second car park is a new development with a Co-op. The surgery becomes more and more overloaded with the taking blood tests now being sent to Ipswich. Yet another case of money grabbing, going totally against the Governments need to cut pollution by sending patients far and wide to get treatment they could do close by. |
The chief executive at IBC is on £132k. Next highest earner is £89k.
Edit: this info is published online by all councils. [Post edited 4 Sep 2024 18:25]
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 12:27 - Sep 4 with 3061 views | Clapham_Junction |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 07:26 - Sep 4 by SheffordBlue |
Double the time and more than double the cost for the people who come in my car to go via public transport. I go out of my way to car share with others.
Walking would also be 'viable' but totally unpractical. |
I really doubt it would be double the time if you drove part way and got the train for the rest. I used to commute into Ipswich and did just that - it was quicker doing that because I avoided sitting in traffic in Ipswich for ages. |  | | |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 12:53 - Sep 4 with 2970 views | monty_radio |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 21:27 - Sep 3 by Zx1988 |
Are there, perhaps, two angles to this?
1) Trying to boost revenue
2) Trying to discourage driving to the ground on matchdays, and the gridlock in town after matches |
That's all fine and dandy, like so many shibboleths, but what of the reality for our very large number of out of town fans? Buses are great when regular, and if you live on the route. But some would likely find that they had to come in on a Thursday and return at 4.15pm on a Saturday. And taking the train from the Framlingham, Hadleigh or Debenham areas would involve being around in 1951 or so.
Sacrificing real people for fine ideas is never a good tone to set. [Post edited 4 Sep 2024 14:49]
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 13:03 - Sep 4 with 2957 views | Tonytown |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 20:06 - Sep 3 by SheffordBlue |
Irrespective it's some fairly blatant price gouging and for a party that loves to go on about the moral high ground is a really bad look.
It's over a 100% price increase for a match day. |
The council has a shortfall because of years of underfunding by the Tories.
They have to find extra money somehow. I suppose trying to squeeze a bit more out of people who are prepared to pay £50 or more for a football ticket is one way to do it. It may encourage people to car share or use public transport too | | | |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 13:47 - Sep 4 with 2898 views | Swansea_Blue |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 10:27 - Sep 4 by Pinewoodblue |
Ipswich Borough Council however don’t just invest locally they own a business park in Peterborough. Locally thry own Anglia Retail park and the one at Martlesham. They also own the ToysR us property at Copdock which they purchased after ToysR Us closed and it is still empty.
Suppose we should blame the Tories for lending the money, to make the purchases, at a good rate. |
The Tories share some of the blame, as it was Osborne’s cuts that put the Councils in the position where they started trying to raise funds in other ways, including property development. This is fairly widely known. IBC formed Ipswich Borough Assets in 2016, for example. They did have access to private loans to fund ‘debt for yield’ investments, but that was stopped in 2021. I’m not sure why, but presumably it had something to do with rising debts.
I don’t know what the answer is, as the budget black hole and debt levels in local authorities are eye-watering. Some of that is from cuts, some from mismanagement, some from rising customer needs. Someone’s going to have to get a grip on it at some point though. I doubt whacking up parking charges will be the answer! | |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 16:26 - Sep 4 with 2732 views | ArnieM |
The IBC need to pep up the P&R facilties on match days . If it can work well in Cambridge why not here too?
The other thing that many of you won't perhaps know / remember, is when I started going to games in 1969, after the game there was a fleet of local buses parked all along Portman Road, to the various estates. Even for night games. It was great. I'd come out of the North Stand ,straight onto a bus,which would go off once full ( didn't take long), and another bud came in behind.
Councils try and price people off the roads but fail time and again to provide viable options.
This car parking hike, is hitting fans who come from much farther afield than just Ipswich, such is our fan base now. The least the council could do is review the P&R. | |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 16:46 - Sep 4 with 2701 views | bluelagos |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 16:26 - Sep 4 by ArnieM |
The IBC need to pep up the P&R facilties on match days . If it can work well in Cambridge why not here too?
The other thing that many of you won't perhaps know / remember, is when I started going to games in 1969, after the game there was a fleet of local buses parked all along Portman Road, to the various estates. Even for night games. It was great. I'd come out of the North Stand ,straight onto a bus,which would go off once full ( didn't take long), and another bud came in behind.
Councils try and price people off the roads but fail time and again to provide viable options.
This car parking hike, is hitting fans who come from much farther afield than just Ipswich, such is our fan base now. The least the council could do is review the P&R. |
Agree with the need to sort out a decent P&R scheme - could have a load of buses ready to take the punters to the car parks and would defo be a good way to help those driving long distances.
Was thinking earlier about some of the parking spots that have disappeared over the years (like by the docks) - my personal favourite was a shop garage that was basically right where Staples met Princes St - about 50 yards from the Churchmans turnstiles.
They was a "no parking" sign - but the shop was only open in the daytime. For evening games I'd reverse on the drive and then after the match be guaranteed a quick getaway. Twtd. |  |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 16:57 - Sep 4 with 2672 views | Zx1988 |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 16:26 - Sep 4 by ArnieM |
The IBC need to pep up the P&R facilties on match days . If it can work well in Cambridge why not here too?
The other thing that many of you won't perhaps know / remember, is when I started going to games in 1969, after the game there was a fleet of local buses parked all along Portman Road, to the various estates. Even for night games. It was great. I'd come out of the North Stand ,straight onto a bus,which would go off once full ( didn't take long), and another bud came in behind.
Councils try and price people off the roads but fail time and again to provide viable options.
This car parking hike, is hitting fans who come from much farther afield than just Ipswich, such is our fan base now. The least the council could do is review the P&R. |
The P&R definitely needs overhauling and helping.
The service itself is shockingly bad, especially trying to get back again after a match. It's okay getting in, but falls over under the slightest pressure.
The traffic around Town after a match doesn't help, given that there are precious few bus lanes for the services to use. You can get on the bus (once it arrives...) outside the Willis building, and then spend the next half hour crawling from there to the station.
Even if the operator made the service more frequent/reliable/cheaper, it won't get significant uptake unless/until the infrastructure can be improved. | |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 17:14 - Sep 4 with 2626 views | baxterbasics |
Here's my top tip for matchday parking.
Get a Cineworld unlimited card. £16.99 a month.
Whatever film is starting close to kick off time, book it. Park at Cardinal Park, head in as if to watch your film, put your reg into the touchscreen thingy, walk straight out and go to the match.
And when you actually want to see a film, it's good for that too!
Only potential pitt fall is you may need to get there pretty early to be guaranteed a parking spot. But that's the same everywhere.
I honestly did this regularly a few years back, when I had a Cineworld card and went to most home games. |  |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 17:20 - Sep 4 with 2615 views | bournemouthblue |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 16:26 - Sep 4 by ArnieM |
The IBC need to pep up the P&R facilties on match days . If it can work well in Cambridge why not here too?
The other thing that many of you won't perhaps know / remember, is when I started going to games in 1969, after the game there was a fleet of local buses parked all along Portman Road, to the various estates. Even for night games. It was great. I'd come out of the North Stand ,straight onto a bus,which would go off once full ( didn't take long), and another bud came in behind.
Councils try and price people off the roads but fail time and again to provide viable options.
This car parking hike, is hitting fans who come from much farther afield than just Ipswich, such is our fan base now. The least the council could do is review the P&R. |
The Park and Ride is run by Suffolk County Council, I think IBC may have managed it on there behalf at one stage, it's now someone like Waveney Norse?
The Borough Council seem to be getting flack for things that aren't really their fault, business rates a classic example which are decided by National Government |  |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 17:45 - Sep 4 with 2561 views | Pinewoodblue |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 16:26 - Sep 4 by ArnieM |
The IBC need to pep up the P&R facilties on match days . If it can work well in Cambridge why not here too?
The other thing that many of you won't perhaps know / remember, is when I started going to games in 1969, after the game there was a fleet of local buses parked all along Portman Road, to the various estates. Even for night games. It was great. I'd come out of the North Stand ,straight onto a bus,which would go off once full ( didn't take long), and another bud came in behind.
Councils try and price people off the roads but fail time and again to provide viable options.
This car parking hike, is hitting fans who come from much farther afield than just Ipswich, such is our fan base now. The least the council could do is review the P&R. |
Park & Ride is run by Suffolk County Council, not IBC, so you can blame Tories. | |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 18:24 - Sep 4 with 2511 views | Dubtractor |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 17:20 - Sep 4 by bournemouthblue |
The Park and Ride is run by Suffolk County Council, I think IBC may have managed it on there behalf at one stage, it's now someone like Waveney Norse?
The Borough Council seem to be getting flack for things that aren't really their fault, business rates a classic example which are decided by National Government |
I defended IBC earlier in the thread, but that's not quite right on business rates.
Government sets the multiplier for the rates, but councils set the rateable value for properties to use against that multiplier.
All suffolk councils seem to have done a lot of revaluation exercises in the last 2 years, which has seen business rates increase a fair bit.
Just adding this because, as referenced by you, there is a lot of duff information in this thread and I'm in fact checker mode! [Post edited 4 Sep 2024 18:27]
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 18:37 - Sep 4 with 2480 views | bournemouthblue |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 18:24 - Sep 4 by Dubtractor |
I defended IBC earlier in the thread, but that's not quite right on business rates.
Government sets the multiplier for the rates, but councils set the rateable value for properties to use against that multiplier.
All suffolk councils seem to have done a lot of revaluation exercises in the last 2 years, which has seen business rates increase a fair bit.
Just adding this because, as referenced by you, there is a lot of duff information in this thread and I'm in fact checker mode! [Post edited 4 Sep 2024 18:27]
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This is totally unrelated to your post above.
You have people claiming the Council haven't invested in the Town despite the Cornhill controversial as that is, for whatever reason
The Buttermarket getting a complete refurbishment and overhaul etc
I can see others berating the ownership of out of Town retail parks, which incidentally are both thriving
The Council certainly don't do everything right but they don't half get a lot of flack unnecessarily | |
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| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 18:55 - Sep 4 with 2451 views | backwaywhen |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 19:08 - Sep 3 by Mullet |
This is what happens when people vote Tory.
Parking is one area they can make money and with the massive attendances the club is ripe for it. Would you rather they added the revenue into tax payers? |
But it’s a Labour council and some how a Labour government (god help us ) at this moment in time ….please explain my friend ? | | | |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 19:45 - Sep 4 with 2393 views | bournemouthblue |
| IBC's outrageous plans to hike car parking fees in car parks around PR on 18:55 - Sep 4 by backwaywhen |
But it’s a Labour council and some how a Labour government (god help us ) at this moment in time ….please explain my friend ? |
14 years of austerity, leading to Council's having been cut to the hilt? | |
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