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I’m struggling to see the problem. The Promenade Concerts last a couple of months and showcase music old and new from all round the world. The Last Night is just the winding down event and has been going for donkeys years. Henry Wood n all that.
Yes, it features Rule Britannia, that dates back to the 18c, sea songs, Parry, Elgar and other stuff. Lots of people all around the world enjoy it, so what’s the problem? It does no harm.
Not really my thing, so not bothered about seeing it (abroad at the moment anyway), but I’d never equate it to Hitler rallies in any way shape or form.
I’m struggling to see the problem. The Promenade Concerts last a couple of months and showcase music old and new from all round the world. The Last Night is just the winding down event and has been going for donkeys years. Henry Wood n all that.
Yes, it features Rule Britannia, that dates back to the 18c, sea songs, Parry, Elgar and other stuff. Lots of people all around the world enjoy it, so what’s the problem? It does no harm.
Not really my thing, so not bothered about seeing it (abroad at the moment anyway), but I’d never equate it to Hitler rallies in any way shape or form.
The two songs in question have some uncomfortable colonial vibes, and its right to be aware of that. But that audience singing along is probably 90% bleeding heart liberal wokies. No malice there.
No idea when I began here, was a very long time ago. Previously known as Spirit_of_81. Love cheese, hate the colour of it, this is why it requires some blue in it.
The two songs in question have some uncomfortable colonial vibes, and its right to be aware of that. But that audience singing along is probably 90% bleeding heart liberal wokies. No malice there.
those songs are probably more patriotic rather than having colonial vibes. it's cocky ruling the waves stuff rather than oppressing the colonies.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
The two songs in question have some uncomfortable colonial vibes, and its right to be aware of that. But that audience singing along is probably 90% bleeding heart liberal wokies. No malice there.
With regard to Rule Britannia, it depends on your interpretation of something written getting on for 300 years ago for King George 1st.
When all is said and done, they’re just songs, most of them dating back a heck of a time to be ignored or enjoyed.
As for the composition of the Proms’ audiences, I wouldn’t know not having attended one.
Indeed - re the second, it's in the title - Elgar's 'Pomp & Circumstance March no.1' - used at the coronation of Edward VII.
Also in the second half of the programme tonight, a new composition by Iain Farrington based on sporting themes including MotD - Extra Time(4 mins)'
Henry Mancini The Pink Panther(3 mins)
In His Hands: Two Spirituals(4 mins)
Songs by Spanish & Italian composers.
And as well as England & Union Jack flags waved by the audience there were too many EU flags to count, plus others from around the world.
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even rule britannia has mixed messages. it originated in the mid 1700s, and from 1807 one of the things that britannia ruling the waves assisted in was the suppression of the slave trade. the blockade of africa was the royal navy.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
With regard to Rule Britannia, it depends on your interpretation of something written getting on for 300 years ago for King George 1st.
When all is said and done, they’re just songs, most of them dating back a heck of a time to be ignored or enjoyed.
As for the composition of the Proms’ audiences, I wouldn’t know not having attended one.
Been to first (1982(?) night & last (camped out on the street overnight to get tickets up in the gods, 1968 iirc) + a few inbetween.
Audiences are young, middle-aged, old, multinational, multicultural, from all backgrounds, jobs & none. The only thing they have in common is that they all love music.
Indeed - re the second, it's in the title - Elgar's 'Pomp & Circumstance March no.1' - used at the coronation of Edward VII.
Also in the second half of the programme tonight, a new composition by Iain Farrington based on sporting themes including MotD - Extra Time(4 mins)'
Henry Mancini The Pink Panther(3 mins)
In His Hands: Two Spirituals(4 mins)
Songs by Spanish & Italian composers.
And as well as England & Union Jack flags waved by the audience there were too many EU flags to count, plus others from around the world.
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I take your point on other compositions and songs, I have to say I always associate Last Night.... with those 2 songs as they save them until toward the end when I 'm looking for Match of the Day - because those seem to be the favourites that everyone is waiting for, and it's those i take umbrage with.
Any wokies, admitting to being comfortable with those 2 songs would probably get their woke membership cards torn up and face being banished.
I have no problem with it from an ethical point of view. I do think it highlights that British composers from the classical period were not a patch on some of their continental counterparts.
I have no problem with it from an ethical point of view. I do think it highlights that British composers from the classical period were not a patch on some of their continental counterparts.
I disagree with that. Each has their merits to like or dislike. I don’t know anything like enough to critically appraise classical music, but my personal faves are British composers Edward Elgar and Gustav Holst. A big influence on Holst was Richard Wagner, Hitler’s favourite composer, ironically.
I’m struggling to see the problem. The Promenade Concerts last a couple of months and showcase music old and new from all round the world. The Last Night is just the winding down event and has been going for donkeys years. Henry Wood n all that.
Yes, it features Rule Britannia, that dates back to the 18c, sea songs, Parry, Elgar and other stuff. Lots of people all around the world enjoy it, so what’s the problem? It does no harm.
Not really my thing, so not bothered about seeing it (abroad at the moment anyway), but I’d never equate it to Hitler rallies in any way shape or form.
My parents used to love watching it,I haven’t watched it for years mind.
I take your point on other compositions and songs, I have to say I always associate Last Night.... with those 2 songs as they save them until toward the end when I 'm looking for Match of the Day - because those seem to be the favourites that everyone is waiting for, and it's those i take umbrage with.
Any wokies, admitting to being comfortable with those 2 songs would probably get their woke membership cards torn up and face being banished.
The author of "Land of Hope and Glory", A.C. Benson, was later very uncomfortable about what he had written - and he died almost a century ago. I remember one of his colleagues, then in his 80's, refusing to sing it in the 1960's. It is now dreadfully out of date and inappropriate.