| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 12:55 - Sep 29 with 2922 views | Zapers |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 18:57 - Sep 28 by JammyDodgerrr |
Here is the bit that confuses me because it is different, imo. Boris handed out hundreds of millions to mates for contracts they never planned on fulfilling whilst breaking rules he was encouraging others to follow. Starmer is basically just accepting gifts from his rich mate, which is still fine in the rules. |
“Rich” people do not give £107,000 over the period of a few years without calling in favours.
To believe anything else is quite sweet, but extremely naive. |  | |  |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 19:13 - Sep 29 with 2833 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 12:55 - Sep 29 by Zapers |
“Rich” people do not give £107,000 over the period of a few years without calling in favours.
To believe anything else is quite sweet, but extremely naive. |
I bet you enjoyed all that fantastic PPE under your lot. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 02:25 - Sep 30 with 2741 views | mutters |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 19:13 - Sep 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I bet you enjoyed all that fantastic PPE under your lot. |
We need to judge him on his words and his actions
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:16 - Sep 30 with 2661 views | DJR |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:50 - Sep 29 by Zapers |
“But what does it really mean”
Now remind me who wrote this when I mentioned his approval ratings a couple of weeks ago.
Maybe just a flash in the pan🤣 |
I'm afraid you've lost me there. |  | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:26 - Sep 30 with 2641 views | DJR |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 02:25 - Sep 30 by mutters |
We need to judge him on his words and his actions
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To be fair to Starmer (and I have been critical of him when it comes to expenses), this seems to me to be a bit of a non-story.
If he had use of a car, it would have been a pooled car operated by the Government Car Service, which is described thus.
"The Government Car Service (GCS) provides a high-quality, secure car service for ministers in government departments.
Ministers and others senior officials can travel safely in their departmental pool cars, allowing them to concentrate on their work and make efficient use of their working day."
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/government-car-service/government-car
As it is, I knew people who worked for the Government Car Service in No.10, and they and the set up were nothing like as grand as the epithet "chauffeur-driven car" might suggest. [Post edited 30 Sep 2024 8:27]
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:41 - Sep 30 with 2612 views | Churchman |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 19:13 - Sep 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I bet you enjoyed all that fantastic PPE under your lot. |
I know what you are saying Flash and of course you cannot get lower than that bucket of scum. Unfortunately they’ll never be held accountable for the various stunts they pulled. They should be.
However, for me ‘this lot are not as bad as the last lot’ is not the measure. There is legal and illegal. There are rules adhered to and rules broken or circumvented. Most important of all, there is right and there is wrong. Each situation on its merits.
Without looking at it in this way, standards in public life will never improve and boy do they need to. |  | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:52 - Sep 30 with 2580 views | Zapers |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:16 - Sep 30 by DJR |
I'm afraid you've lost me there. |
Let me explain.
When i mentioned a couple of weeks ago, that in the latest poll, Starmers popularity/approval ratings were lower than Sunak, a certain poster, a labour fan boy replied, "But what does it really mean"
And then goes on to say it was probably the result of the up and coming budget. Completely ignoring the fact that normally happens after the bad news, not before;)))
I suspect that you now declaring the results of this particular poll, it has way more credibility than when i mentioned it. Funny that;))) | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:55 - Sep 30 with 2574 views | Zapers |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 19:13 - Sep 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I bet you enjoyed all that fantastic PPE under your lot. |
More whataboutery. | | | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:10 - Sep 30 with 2532 views | DJR |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:52 - Sep 30 by Zapers |
Let me explain.
When i mentioned a couple of weeks ago, that in the latest poll, Starmers popularity/approval ratings were lower than Sunak, a certain poster, a labour fan boy replied, "But what does it really mean"
And then goes on to say it was probably the result of the up and coming budget. Completely ignoring the fact that normally happens after the bad news, not before;)))
I suspect that you now declaring the results of this particular poll, it has way more credibility than when i mentioned it. Funny that;))) |
Still not sure why you aimed your post at me.
I was the first on TWTD to condemn the winter fuel payment change (on 29 July the day it was announced) and I posted the following on 22 September.
"You can't blame the left for all the mishaps these last few weeks, they're all self-inflicted.
And this is the impact.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/21/honeymoon-over-keir-starmer-now
Keir Starmer now less popular than Rishi Sunak, poll suggests
Opinium poll for the Observer finds a 45-point drop in the prime minister’s approval rating since he won the election
Keir Starmer has suffered a precipitous fall in his personal ratings since winning the election, according to a new poll for the Observer that comes before his first Labour conference as prime minister.
The latest Opinium poll reveals that Starmer’s approval rating has plunged below that of the Tory leader Rishi Sunak, suffering a huge 45-point drop since July. While 24% of voters approve of the job he is doing, 50% disapprove, giving him a net rating of -26%. Sunak’s net rating is one point better.
This article is also illuminating.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg03g4gxlyo [Post edited 30 Sep 2024 9:10]
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:10 - Sep 30 with 2528 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:55 - Sep 30 by Zapers |
More whataboutery. |
More hypocrisy from you. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:50 - Sep 30 with 2465 views | Ryorry |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:10 - Sep 30 by DJR |
Still not sure why you aimed your post at me.
I was the first on TWTD to condemn the winter fuel payment change (on 29 July the day it was announced) and I posted the following on 22 September.
"You can't blame the left for all the mishaps these last few weeks, they're all self-inflicted.
And this is the impact.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/21/honeymoon-over-keir-starmer-now
Keir Starmer now less popular than Rishi Sunak, poll suggests
Opinium poll for the Observer finds a 45-point drop in the prime minister’s approval rating since he won the election
Keir Starmer has suffered a precipitous fall in his personal ratings since winning the election, according to a new poll for the Observer that comes before his first Labour conference as prime minister.
The latest Opinium poll reveals that Starmer’s approval rating has plunged below that of the Tory leader Rishi Sunak, suffering a huge 45-point drop since July. While 24% of voters approve of the job he is doing, 50% disapprove, giving him a net rating of -26%. Sunak’s net rating is one point better.
This article is also illuminating.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg03g4gxlyo [Post edited 30 Sep 2024 9:10]
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In a way, I think they’ve been a victim of their determination to stick to their own principles of making unpopular decisions where they deem it necessary to drag the economy back from the rotten state the tories left it in.
Rayner’s been determined to show she’s ruthless rather than reckless (a cliche criticism always aimed at Labour), and certainly the WFA could be seen as a bit wasteful in some ways, ie millionaires got it as well as those in need, but in not setting the bar higher for the cut off and refusing to reconsider or be flexible, they’ve made a huge rod for their own backs, scored an own goal, and manager Starmer doesn’t want to be seen admonishing his (first time ever) female ‘keeper.
Sometimes, changing your stance is the strong thing to do. Too late now though. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:55 - Sep 30 with 2369 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:50 - Sep 30 by Ryorry |
In a way, I think they’ve been a victim of their determination to stick to their own principles of making unpopular decisions where they deem it necessary to drag the economy back from the rotten state the tories left it in.
Rayner’s been determined to show she’s ruthless rather than reckless (a cliche criticism always aimed at Labour), and certainly the WFA could be seen as a bit wasteful in some ways, ie millionaires got it as well as those in need, but in not setting the bar higher for the cut off and refusing to reconsider or be flexible, they’ve made a huge rod for their own backs, scored an own goal, and manager Starmer doesn’t want to be seen admonishing his (first time ever) female ‘keeper.
Sometimes, changing your stance is the strong thing to do. Too late now though. |
Unfortunately there doesn’t appear to be a quick fix , with regards to WFA, that offers an acceptable solution.
With hindsight would like to think that Reeves will back down come budget day. It would be better to pay it to people who don’t need it than withhold it from those who face serious choices as a result of it being withdrawn.
The number of pensioners who will be impacted, in my opinion, exceeds the number who could easily do without it.
This winter only, with time to come up with a better solution. The problem I feel is not being able to identify household income accurately . |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:24 - Sep 30 with 2329 views | DJR |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:55 - Sep 30 by Pinewoodblue |
Unfortunately there doesn’t appear to be a quick fix , with regards to WFA, that offers an acceptable solution.
With hindsight would like to think that Reeves will back down come budget day. It would be better to pay it to people who don’t need it than withhold it from those who face serious choices as a result of it being withdrawn.
The number of pensioners who will be impacted, in my opinion, exceeds the number who could easily do without it.
This winter only, with time to come up with a better solution. The problem I feel is not being able to identify household income accurately . |
My view is that if a tax/benefit change can't be done fairly, it shouldn't be done at all.
The child benefit changes a few years ago which meant a couple could earn between them nearly double that of a couple with only one earner before losing child benefit were a case in point, as were the changes that meant someone earning between £100,000 and £120,000 suffered very high marginal rates of tax.
I think the last budget did something to address the former, but I am not sure if the latter has been corrected. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:40 - Sep 30 with 2284 views | Kievthegreat |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:24 - Sep 30 by DJR |
My view is that if a tax/benefit change can't be done fairly, it shouldn't be done at all.
The child benefit changes a few years ago which meant a couple could earn between them nearly double that of a couple with only one earner before losing child benefit were a case in point, as were the changes that meant someone earning between £100,000 and £120,000 suffered very high marginal rates of tax.
I think the last budget did something to address the former, but I am not sure if the latter has been corrected. |
There is another outlier between £50-60k if you are in receipt of child benefit and theoretically gets worse the more kids you have. Have enough kids and you can hit an effective tax rate of over 100%
It also gets worse if you have a student loan which is effectively a 9% IIRC tax as well. 3 kids and one earner, the effective tax rate between £50k and £60k is nearly 80%.
There are a series of other graphs and scenarios, plus a calculator tool for yourself.
https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2022/10/04/marginal/ |  | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:43 - Sep 30 with 2265 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:24 - Sep 30 by DJR |
My view is that if a tax/benefit change can't be done fairly, it shouldn't be done at all.
The child benefit changes a few years ago which meant a couple could earn between them nearly double that of a couple with only one earner before losing child benefit were a case in point, as were the changes that meant someone earning between £100,000 and £120,000 suffered very high marginal rates of tax.
I think the last budget did something to address the former, but I am not sure if the latter has been corrected. |
Agree 100%, as for income tax there should be far more tax bands the jump from one, to the next, is excessive. Bring back 10% band , raise the point at which the higher tax band comes into play and introduce a band between standard & higher.
Most be easy to do , in a fair way, without changing the total revenue raised. All the raw data is readily available to tax authorities. Just needs political will, would be evidence of change towards the promised fairer society. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 12:04 - Sep 30 with 2201 views | DJR |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:40 - Sep 30 by Kievthegreat |
There is another outlier between £50-60k if you are in receipt of child benefit and theoretically gets worse the more kids you have. Have enough kids and you can hit an effective tax rate of over 100%
It also gets worse if you have a student loan which is effectively a 9% IIRC tax as well. 3 kids and one earner, the effective tax rate between £50k and £60k is nearly 80%.
There are a series of other graphs and scenarios, plus a calculator tool for yourself.
https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2022/10/04/marginal/ |
Yes that was an effect of the child benefit change I mentioned, if you chose to carry on receiving child benefit, because the High Income Child Benefit Charge would then kick in. And indeed, a higher marginal rate in such a case went beyond £60,000.
The other option was not to claim child benefit, but there were cash flow advantages in claiming it and suffering the charge in the next tax year.
But whatever the case, it was unfair because a couple with two earners could earn around £100,000 without suffering any consequences when it came to child benefit. [Post edited 30 Sep 2024 12:27]
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 13:40 - Oct 2 with 1887 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 12:55 - Sep 29 by Zapers |
“Rich” people do not give £107,000 over the period of a few years without calling in favours.
To believe anything else is quite sweet, but extremely naive. |
Clearly if that is happening, then I would naturally disagree with it and call it out. As far as we know, that hasn't been the case.
And it's also not naïve; in my world i quite regularly see high giving without calling in favours. It is quite possible for people to be just generous. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:17 - Oct 2 with 1829 views | Churchman |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 13:40 - Oct 2 by JammyDodgerrr |
Clearly if that is happening, then I would naturally disagree with it and call it out. As far as we know, that hasn't been the case.
And it's also not naïve; in my world i quite regularly see high giving without calling in favours. It is quite possible for people to be just generous. |
Sorry, there is nothing free in this life.
‘Being generous’, especially to politicians, may not take a direct form of say gaining in return a free pass into No 10 (it might be of course) but there will be a reason beyond thinking Angela Rayner’s teeth deserve a better business suit and Christmas is coming up.
Just my opinion. | | | |
| You couldn’t make it up on 15:06 - Oct 2 with 1756 views | Pinewoodblue |
Lord Alli under investigation for 'alleged non-registration of interests'
Labour peer Lord Alli is under investigation over "alleged non-registration of interests" leading to a possible breach of the members' code of conduct.
The UK parliament website notes that Lord Alli - who has been at the centre of a row over donations to Sir Keir Starmer - is under investigation by Lords' commissioners.
Lord Alli is one of the Labour Party's biggest donors, and the largest personal donor to Prime Minister Keir Starmer since December 2019.
According to data unveiled by Sky News's Westminster Accounts project, he has given Sir Keir upwards of £39,000 in gifts and hospitality since he became Labour leader. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:12 - Oct 2 with 1741 views | Zapers |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:17 - Oct 2 by Churchman |
Sorry, there is nothing free in this life.
‘Being generous’, especially to politicians, may not take a direct form of say gaining in return a free pass into No 10 (it might be of course) but there will be a reason beyond thinking Angela Rayner’s teeth deserve a better business suit and Christmas is coming up.
Just my opinion. |
Not just your opinion, I can assure you.
Anyone seeing it as acceptable, and just someone being kind and generous, is incredibly naive.
Business just doesn’t work that way. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 17:13 - Oct 2 with 1633 views | DJR |
This from the Guardian. Given that he is not as well known as the others on the list, wonder if you can guess who Liam Conlon is?
Here is a list of the donations and gifts from Lord Waheed Alli declared by MPs that appear in the latest version of the register of members’ financial interests, which was published on September 2 2024.
The latest register includes all donations and gifts declared in the previous 12 months.
1. Donations
19 October 2023: £10,000 to Sir Keir Starmer (Labour)
Description in register: “For the private office of the Leader of the Opposition.”
7 November 7 2023: £12,500 to David Lammy (Labour)
“Towards paying for additional staff for my office.”
16 November 2023: £8,500 to Angela Rayner (Labour)
“Donation to support me in my capacity as Deputy Leader of the Labour Party.”
8 December 8 2023: £10,000 to Bridget Phillipson (Labour)
“To host a number of events, including on behalf of the Shadow Education Team.”
11 December 2023: £4,000 to Bridget Phillipson
“To host a number of events, including on behalf of the Shadow Education Team.”
26 February 2024: £6,000 to Sir Keir Starmer
“For the private office of the Leader of the Opposition.”
15 April 2024: £8,250 to Angela Rayner
“To support me in my capacity as Deputy Leader of the Labour Party.”
26 April 2024: £900 to Angela Rayner
“To support me in my capacity as Deputy Leader of the Labour Party.”
29 July 2024: £3,550 to Angela Rayner
“Donation in kind for undertaking parliamentary duties.”
2 August 2024: £10,000 to Liam Conlon (Labour)
2. Gifts
22 March 2023 (published in register on December 3 2023): £1,200,000 to Dame Siobhain McDonagh (Labour)
“Interest free loan to be repaid on the sale of the home I share with a family member. The move was necessary to provide the family member with complete ground floor access.”
24 April 2024: £16,200 to Sir Keir Starmer
Work clothing
22 May 2024: £2,485 to Sir Keir Starmer
Multiple pairs of glasses
2 August 2024: £20,437.28 to Sir Keir Starmer
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 20:11 - Oct 2 with 1492 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 17:13 - Oct 2 by DJR |
This from the Guardian. Given that he is not as well known as the others on the list, wonder if you can guess who Liam Conlon is?
Here is a list of the donations and gifts from Lord Waheed Alli declared by MPs that appear in the latest version of the register of members’ financial interests, which was published on September 2 2024.
The latest register includes all donations and gifts declared in the previous 12 months.
1. Donations
19 October 2023: £10,000 to Sir Keir Starmer (Labour)
Description in register: “For the private office of the Leader of the Opposition.”
7 November 7 2023: £12,500 to David Lammy (Labour)
“Towards paying for additional staff for my office.”
16 November 2023: £8,500 to Angela Rayner (Labour)
“Donation to support me in my capacity as Deputy Leader of the Labour Party.”
8 December 8 2023: £10,000 to Bridget Phillipson (Labour)
“To host a number of events, including on behalf of the Shadow Education Team.”
11 December 2023: £4,000 to Bridget Phillipson
“To host a number of events, including on behalf of the Shadow Education Team.”
26 February 2024: £6,000 to Sir Keir Starmer
“For the private office of the Leader of the Opposition.”
15 April 2024: £8,250 to Angela Rayner
“To support me in my capacity as Deputy Leader of the Labour Party.”
26 April 2024: £900 to Angela Rayner
“To support me in my capacity as Deputy Leader of the Labour Party.”
29 July 2024: £3,550 to Angela Rayner
“Donation in kind for undertaking parliamentary duties.”
2 August 2024: £10,000 to Liam Conlon (Labour)
2. Gifts
22 March 2023 (published in register on December 3 2023): £1,200,000 to Dame Siobhain McDonagh (Labour)
“Interest free loan to be repaid on the sale of the home I share with a family member. The move was necessary to provide the family member with complete ground floor access.”
24 April 2024: £16,200 to Sir Keir Starmer
Work clothing
22 May 2024: £2,485 to Sir Keir Starmer
Multiple pairs of glasses
2 August 2024: £20,437.28 to Sir Keir Starmer
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googled it. Wasn't surprised. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 21:17 - Oct 2 with 1432 views | DJR |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 20:11 - Oct 2 by Pinewoodblue |
googled it. Wasn't surprised. |
The issue I have with this isn't that Lord Alli might be trying to gain influence, rather it is the nepotism that this appears to involve.
Her son stood in a seat which wasn't a certain Labour win when selected, and £10,000 was presumably given so that a lot of money could be put into campaigning in the seat before the restriction on campaign expenditure during an election campaign kicked in.
Of course, this would not have been an issue if Lord Alli had given the same amount to every prospective Labour candidate in a similar seat, but that wasn't the case, thus giving rise to the implication that Gray had managed to use her influence to increase the chances of her son getting elected.
EDIT: I speak as a former secretary of a constituency Labour Party where the idea of spending £10,000 (or even £2,000) to get an MP elected was unimaginable given the state of our finances. [Post edited 2 Oct 2024 21:28]
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 22:20 - Oct 2 with 1373 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 20:11 - Oct 2 by Pinewoodblue |
googled it. Wasn't surprised. |
Interesting to see that he didn’t just get tickets for one Taylor Swift concert. He seems to have had 4 tickets on 21 June, 2 on 15 August and 4 on 20 August. |  |
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