| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:39 - Sep 28 with 2083 views | textbackup |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:57 - Sep 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
They can and do buy their own clothes. And also, like most normal people, they accept gifts when offered. |
He’s not going to shag you mate.
Blokes buying one another such lavish gifts, I don’t know, smells fishy… |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:56 - Sep 28 with 2049 views | Zapers |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:39 - Sep 28 by textbackup |
He’s not going to shag you mate.
Blokes buying one another such lavish gifts, I don’t know, smells fishy… |
Haha, funny! |  | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 16:09 - Sep 28 with 2020 views | Churchman |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:13 - Sep 28 by Vegtablue |
I agree, he's put his head needlessly above the parapet when he claimed to hold the highest standards. It would appear the long-pervading culture in politics is for MPs to receive plentiful gifts, to declare these gifts to avoid charges of corruption, much like MPs must declare their financial interests, and those in higher positions generally receive more and better gifts.
Gifts are often not contractual in nature (most of mine are given freely and without expectation or obligation) and I think it would be naive of donors to trust that their gifts would amount to favour being bought, especially when this is is seemingly such normal practice and competing factions are presumably at times donating to the same recipient. I have no doubt that some unscrupulous MPs still operate on the exchange of gifts for influence though and it seems high time we have a look at this normalised stuff.
I don't disagree with your last paragraph but the analogy / sentiment may not clearly carry over to this discussion, given the practice isn't currently deemed improper. |
Indeed, a poor analogy |  | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 16:32 - Sep 28 with 1993 views | Churchman |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:24 - Sep 28 by Ryorry |
So, other than a soulless, depressing hotel room, how would you have sorted out a suitable, peaceful study space for your kid by the next day? |
Was it by the next day? Not much future planning there by the sound of it.
Without being facetious, are we saying Starmer’s only alternative with all the means at his disposal without imperilling his son’s GCSE chances was a donor’s swanky flat in Covent Garden? Was that the same donor who then got a free pass to no 10?
I don’t know the details of this, but if that’s the case, fine. He’s not broken any rules any more than claiming more than the next 5 or 6 MPs put together (if those stats are true). I just doesn't sit right with me.
Maybe it’s all made up. Maybe it’s all Tories on a smear campaign because Boris gave a dodgy Russian bloke (within the rules) a peerage, maybe everyone else is a mug for not rinsing the system for all its worth, maybe the rest should take what they can.
That’s a different set of questions about what has been a contentious and what I believe to be corrupt and open to abuse system for decades. ‘It’s always been that way’ isn’t good enough for me. But back to the point in hand, as long as the rules are the same for all and these people abide by them, fine. But nobody should be beyond scrutiny and I’ll say it one last time - nothing is free in this life. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 16:56 - Sep 28 with 1971 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:24 - Sep 28 by Ryorry |
So, other than a soulless, depressing hotel room, how would you have sorted out a suitable, peaceful study space for your kid by the next day? |
I don't think many people take issue with what SKS did for his son. It's whose apartment that was used. Because once again Lord Ali seems to have his finger in every pie. Pays for Starmer's clothes. Pays for Starmer's wife's clothes. Pays for Rayner's clothes. Pays for Reeves clothes. Pays for a Labour MP'S 40TH birthday party.
Lord Ali is all over this. And he has access to the Prime Minister, so he is getting his money's worth.
Now Starmer hasn't done anything wrong. He's just jumped on the gravy train and milked the system to its max. The highest clim in expenses since the 2019 general election. Dollers was often fond of reminding us how Jeremy Corbyn claimed the least amount of expenses of any MP. He would hold this up as proof of Jezza's virtue. Jezza didn't jump on the gravy train even though he could have. (although let's not hold him up to highly as a paragon of virtue. After all he did take 20k from the homophobic, anti semitic, terrorist sponsoring Iranian state)
And before you accuse me of being a bitter old Tory, I'm on record as leaving the Tory party because of their grubby little deal with the DUP. I consistently called out Johnson and other members of his cabinet for their cronyism and corruption. And as a lifelong Tory, I voted for Starmer and Labour for the first time in my life because I thought they would bring more honesty and decency to government.
I haven't given up on them yet but so far they do not pass the sniff test. [Post edited 29 Sep 2024 8:17]
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 17:21 - Sep 28 with 1933 views | Clutch |
I don't care if he gets given free clothes by other rich people.
I did really care about Truss costing the public millions personally on mortgages and bills in general. |  | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 18:57 - Sep 28 with 1844 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 18:45 - Sep 27 by GlasgowBlue |
That's not the point. He ran a campaign on his pubic service and duty vs Boris Johnson's cronyism and freebies. |
Here is the bit that confuses me because it is different, imo. Boris handed out hundreds of millions to mates for contracts they never planned on fulfilling whilst breaking rules he was encouraging others to follow. Starmer is basically just accepting gifts from his rich mate, which is still fine in the rules. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 19:08 - Sep 28 with 1832 views | Blueschev |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 18:57 - Sep 28 by JammyDodgerrr |
Here is the bit that confuses me because it is different, imo. Boris handed out hundreds of millions to mates for contracts they never planned on fulfilling whilst breaking rules he was encouraging others to follow. Starmer is basically just accepting gifts from his rich mate, which is still fine in the rules. |
Maybe the rules need to change? What do people expect back from these gifts? The tories were way worse I agree, but maybe none of it should happen at all. |  | | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 19:35 - Sep 28 with 1777 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:01 - Sep 28 by bsw72 |
I just want to check whether you understand the difference between accepting a gift/donation, subsequently declaring at as per guidelines versus signing contracts with donors and paying for those contracts, which prove to subsequently be worthless, with tax payers money.
Can you explain how accepting gifts is a kick in the teeth for hardworking families? If he was using tax payers money to purchase his clothing I would get it, but that is not what he has done.
In the last few months I have been to several football matches, attended a number of dinners and been flown out to San Jose and San Fran for conferences all paid for by vendors I have contracts with, all declared and above board with work.
I genuinely do not understand the fuss about declared donations, it is not a new phenomenon and has been done in business and politics forever. |
Fair enough , I can see how 32k on clothes in a year is like water off a duck's back to you. There are others for whom it will feel like taking the piss. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 19:37 - Sep 28 with 1774 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:18 - Sep 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The only fuss is coming from the hypocritical right and a butt-hurt Corbynite. |
Not a nice way to talk about DJR and other lefties. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 19:40 - Sep 28 with 1771 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 12:16 - Sep 28 by GlasgowBlue |
I was alluding to the leaders of Hezbollah being strategically taken out actually.
If you are going to have a pop at me then at least get the correct genocidal Islamic death cult correct. |
Was that with the strategic precision strike that took out 6 tower blocks...other death cults and religions are available in the region if you care to look. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:58 - Sep 29 with 1568 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/sep/29/labour-water-industry-analysis-
'Feargal Sharkey, the clean water campaigner and Undertones frontman, said: “Who should the government believe? A sham of a report commissioned by four water companies or a report written by one of the world’s market analysts and credit rating agencies whose whole business model is predicated on the robustness and accuracy of their data? Surely the government wouldn’t make that mistake, would they?”
'Matthew Topham, the lead campaigner at We Own It, said: “Keir Starmer’s government is at a crossroads: it can protect households and our waterways or it can protect shareholders.'
'It was also recently revealed that Reed accepted almost £2,000 in tickets and hospitality for a football match from bosses linked to Northumbrian Water. He went to a Chelsea v Crystal Palace football match at the invitation of Hutchison 3G UK Limited, which is ultimately wholly owned by CK Hutchison Holdings. CK Hutchison Holdings owns 75% of Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings, which is the owner of Northumbrian Water.' | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:43 - Sep 29 with 1512 views | Zapers |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:58 - Sep 29 by BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/sep/29/labour-water-industry-analysis-
'Feargal Sharkey, the clean water campaigner and Undertones frontman, said: “Who should the government believe? A sham of a report commissioned by four water companies or a report written by one of the world’s market analysts and credit rating agencies whose whole business model is predicated on the robustness and accuracy of their data? Surely the government wouldn’t make that mistake, would they?”
'Matthew Topham, the lead campaigner at We Own It, said: “Keir Starmer’s government is at a crossroads: it can protect households and our waterways or it can protect shareholders.'
'It was also recently revealed that Reed accepted almost £2,000 in tickets and hospitality for a football match from bosses linked to Northumbrian Water. He went to a Chelsea v Crystal Palace football match at the invitation of Hutchison 3G UK Limited, which is ultimately wholly owned by CK Hutchison Holdings. CK Hutchison Holdings owns 75% of Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings, which is the owner of Northumbrian Water.' |
You could knock me down with a feather.
Who would have predicted that we would have another corrupt bunch governing UK PLC. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:02 - Sep 29 with 1473 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:43 - Sep 29 by Zapers |
You could knock me down with a feather.
Who would have predicted that we would have another corrupt bunch governing UK PLC. |
We are governed by big business and the City. All this voting business is a charade. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:07 - Sep 29 with 1461 views | Benters |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:39 - Sep 28 by textbackup |
He’s not going to shag you mate.
Blokes buying one another such lavish gifts, I don’t know, smells fishy… |
Now that’s funny😂 |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:09 - Sep 29 with 1445 views | Benters |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:15 - Sep 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Weren't you a gardener? |
I had a packet of doughnuts bought for me once. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:50 - Sep 29 with 1364 views | Zapers |
“But what does it really mean”
Now remind me who wrote this when I mentioned his approval ratings a couple of weeks ago.
Maybe just a flash in the pan🤣 | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:18 - Sep 29 with 1309 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:43 - Sep 29 by Zapers |
You could knock me down with a feather.
Who would have predicted that we would have another corrupt bunch governing UK PLC. |
They maybe playing the system and putting themselves first but they are not corrupt, not yet anyway. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:39 - Sep 29 with 1275 views | Churchman |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:18 - Sep 29 by Pinewoodblue |
They maybe playing the system and putting themselves first but they are not corrupt, not yet anyway. |
Nothing illegal or against the rules has been done, so no, not corrupt.
The great news for Sir Kier is that when his time in office ends, with his track record since DPP, maybe even before, he’ll be able to write a best seller on how to rinse the system.
https://www.declassifieduk.org/revealed-keir-starmer-billed-taxpayer-nearly-2500
It reminds me a little of the great Ealing film School for Scoundrels with Alastair Sim, Ian Carmichael and Terry Thomas. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:46 - Sep 29 with 1244 views | chicoazul |
Lads im very confused. I thought the bad politics and sleaze were all over now the goodies in red won their huge victory? |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:24 - Sep 29 with 1167 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:39 - Sep 29 by Churchman |
Nothing illegal or against the rules has been done, so no, not corrupt.
The great news for Sir Kier is that when his time in office ends, with his track record since DPP, maybe even before, he’ll be able to write a best seller on how to rinse the system.
https://www.declassifieduk.org/revealed-keir-starmer-billed-taxpayer-nearly-2500
It reminds me a little of the great Ealing film School for Scoundrels with Alastair Sim, Ian Carmichael and Terry Thomas. |
You have to admit he is good at working the system. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:33 - Sep 29 with 1146 views | Churchman |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:24 - Sep 29 by Pinewoodblue |
You have to admit he is good at working the system. |
Absolutely he is. As I said in an earlier post a good fiend of mine managed to travel the world in the lap of luxury on yours and my taxes and was so on it he made virtually a career of it. I ripped the p£ss out of him for years and still do, but he was the one in first class, champagne and happiness all the way along with enough air miles to last him till he’s 120..
Mind you, when in London he did have to organise copious amounts of booze (orange juice, obviously!) and ‘ladies of the night’ for Arab sheiks and like.
His successor tried it and was fired within a year. There’s a lot of skill, diligence and dedication in milking the system to the max and staying within ‘the rules’. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:42 - Sep 29 with 1130 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:33 - Sep 29 by Churchman |
Absolutely he is. As I said in an earlier post a good fiend of mine managed to travel the world in the lap of luxury on yours and my taxes and was so on it he made virtually a career of it. I ripped the p£ss out of him for years and still do, but he was the one in first class, champagne and happiness all the way along with enough air miles to last him till he’s 120..
Mind you, when in London he did have to organise copious amounts of booze (orange juice, obviously!) and ‘ladies of the night’ for Arab sheiks and like.
His successor tried it and was fired within a year. There’s a lot of skill, diligence and dedication in milking the system to the max and staying within ‘the rules’. |
Leave Facters out of this. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 12:26 - Sep 29 with 1064 views | Ryorry |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 18:57 - Sep 28 by JammyDodgerrr |
Here is the bit that confuses me because it is different, imo. Boris handed out hundreds of millions to mates for contracts they never planned on fulfilling whilst breaking rules he was encouraging others to follow. Starmer is basically just accepting gifts from his rich mate, which is still fine in the rules. |
I said earlier that there was a helluva lot of ‘both-sides-ing’ going on here,which many of those doing it have been hugely critical of in the recent past. Plenty of convenient hypocrisy going on if we’re talking of standards. |  |
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