| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:42 - Sep 28 with 1785 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:23 - Sep 28 by BlueBadger |
Fair play to Banksy here, a lot of people would have wanted MONEY to turn out and defend the Russian and Iranian governments, his boy Jezza does it for nowt. |
In fairness - Dear Leader earned a tidy 20k to shill for Iran. Definitely could have bought a better suit. |  | |  |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:44 - Sep 28 with 1709 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:42 - Sep 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
In fairness - Dear Leader earned a tidy 20k to shill for Iran. Definitely could have bought a better suit. |
Be kind to Jezza. He's been losing an awful lot of friends lately. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:51 - Sep 28 with 1697 views | MattinLondon |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:44 - Sep 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Be kind to Jezza. He's been losing an awful lot of friends lately. |
I know that you’re alluding to a lot of Hamas leaders being targeted and killed. But your remark does kind of show you making light of hundreds of innocent Palestinians being killed as well. |  | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 12:16 - Sep 28 with 1649 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 11:51 - Sep 28 by MattinLondon |
I know that you’re alluding to a lot of Hamas leaders being targeted and killed. But your remark does kind of show you making light of hundreds of innocent Palestinians being killed as well. |
I was alluding to the leaders of Hezbollah being strategically taken out actually.
If you are going to have a pop at me then at least get the correct genocidal Islamic death cult correct. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 12:18 - Sep 28 with 1638 views | giant_stow |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:01 - Sep 28 by bsw72 |
I just want to check whether you understand the difference between accepting a gift/donation, subsequently declaring at as per guidelines versus signing contracts with donors and paying for those contracts, which prove to subsequently be worthless, with tax payers money.
Can you explain how accepting gifts is a kick in the teeth for hardworking families? If he was using tax payers money to purchase his clothing I would get it, but that is not what he has done.
In the last few months I have been to several football matches, attended a number of dinners and been flown out to San Jose and San Fran for conferences all paid for by vendors I have contracts with, all declared and above board with work.
I genuinely do not understand the fuss about declared donations, it is not a new phenomenon and has been done in business and politics forever. |
Bang on. More than anything, it shows how desperate the left and right wings are, each in their own ways. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 12:21 - Sep 28 with 1625 views | mutters |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:18 - Sep 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The only fuss is coming from the hypocritical right and a butt-hurt Corbynite. |
I am neither and I am criticising.
It's not a great look, it's just some people can't see beyond their tribe. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 12:21 - Sep 28 with 1624 views | MattinLondon |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 12:16 - Sep 28 by GlasgowBlue |
I was alluding to the leaders of Hezbollah being strategically taken out actually.
If you are going to have a pop at me then at least get the correct genocidal Islamic death cult correct. |
Wasn’t having a pop at you at all and I would have said the same if any other poster had posted what you did.
I got Hamas and Hezbollah mixed up - apologies. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 12:34 - Sep 28 with 1579 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:18 - Sep 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The only fuss is coming from the hypocritical right and a butt-hurt Corbynite. |
Whether it's all done within the rules or above board isn't really the issue. When you espouse moral virtue and portray yourself as a man of the people, they will feel let down when you've taken tens of thousands of pounds of 'luxury' freebies whilst they struggle to put food in their mouths and heat their homes. Oh and when you've taken their winter fuel allowance.
It is an awful look. [Post edited 28 Sep 2024 12:34]
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 13:03 - Sep 28 with 1526 views | Swansea_Blue |
Nice if you can get it! Although I’d have no idea how I’d spend £32k on clothes. That’s over 4,200 pairs of M&S pants. [Post edited 28 Sep 2024 13:03]
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 13:03 - Sep 28 with 1523 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 12:34 - Sep 28 by tractorboy1978 |
Whether it's all done within the rules or above board isn't really the issue. When you espouse moral virtue and portray yourself as a man of the people, they will feel let down when you've taken tens of thousands of pounds of 'luxury' freebies whilst they struggle to put food in their mouths and heat their homes. Oh and when you've taken their winter fuel allowance.
It is an awful look. [Post edited 28 Sep 2024 12:34]
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Starmer's gifts have nothing to do with the economy (which is what the removal of winter fuel allowance for some is in part trying to address). But people are easily fooled by headlines and smears.
I think when you're comparing it with the previous government (and in many cases it's Tories in glass houses throwing the stones) then being within the rules and above board IS really the issue IMO. One could argue that the rules should be changed... but then I didn't hear many calls for that during the last 14 years.
I agree it's not a good look, knowing how the press will jump on it. But at the end of the day, what this is really about is finding a stick to beat the new government with. If this is the best they can come up with then we're really in a much better place than we were. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 13:21 - Sep 28 with 1472 views | Zapers |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 13:03 - Sep 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Starmer's gifts have nothing to do with the economy (which is what the removal of winter fuel allowance for some is in part trying to address). But people are easily fooled by headlines and smears.
I think when you're comparing it with the previous government (and in many cases it's Tories in glass houses throwing the stones) then being within the rules and above board IS really the issue IMO. One could argue that the rules should be changed... but then I didn't hear many calls for that during the last 14 years.
I agree it's not a good look, knowing how the press will jump on it. But at the end of the day, what this is really about is finding a stick to beat the new government with. If this is the best they can come up with then we're really in a much better place than we were. |
You just don't get it do you, either because you are naive, or you just stick your head in the sand. Either way is not a good look.
And yes you are right, I never mentioned the tories because plenty of people on here tore into them day after day, and rightly so.
You on the other hand stick to labour under whatever circumstance. You might think it's right, but if I had supported the tories when they were in government, you would have been all over me like a rash, as witnessed by the way you treat GB | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 13:24 - Sep 28 with 1468 views | Vegtablue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:36 - Sep 28 by Churchman |
Agree with you. I think the other element to this is one I alluded to in my earlier post. There’s no such thing as a free lunch. What do people want for their …..’gifts’? Have they been promised anything now free gear Kier is in No 10?? Do they any leverage over him? Is he compromised in any way?
Hopefully the answer is none and no. But that means people have given him stuff/tickets etc because they love him? Think he needs it? To the level he’s taken it to?
For me this isn’t about whataboutery, convention, ah wells, it’s only this or that, Johnson etc etc. it’s about right and wrong. |
Tbf I've received plenty of free lunches for my sins. In declaring Labour Lord (since 1998) Alli's generosity on the books, will it be difficult to unduly favour him without creating a scandal? It would be interesting to know if the man is similarly lavish with other friends, or if this is indeed a targeted attempt to keep or win the ear of Labour's top team in policy matters.
That a (very) wealthy friend and colleague would offer Angela a swanky place to stay or Kier's son a quiet space to study seems quite normal to me, providing the relationship is built on genuine friendship and friendship alone. £32K on clothes would be enough to make most people blush, but if your income last year was over £400k and if your net worth is reportedly around £8m, maybe such gifts do feel less lavish for that recipient. If framed in terms of 'the leader and chief representative of the country must look their best', I can see how an extremely wealthy man may come to accept such a donation from an unfathomably wealthy colleague and friend, without considering that it would later result in media uproar.
I understand it's poor politics in the midst of economic hardship for many and 'difficult decisions' for the country, and that Keir appears to have been enjoying himself too much with his footy and Swifty freebies too, but honestly I don't see the above as evidence that his integrity has been compromised - that policy matters will be shaped or steered by his declared free lunches. I fully expect the magnifying glasses are readied to see if such influences may be identified or manufactured. Crony gov contracts, siphoning off millions and billions of our money to feather nests in exchange for worthless products at ridiculously inflated prices, that is a genuine public scandal.
I don't hold sympathy for Starmer though I should add; it was he who drew so heavily on his unimpeachable character in the election campaign and so I would have expected him to be irrationally cautious about this stuff if anything, not a bit careless in places, or even wilfully opaque, and not indulged to the point that he looks a pampered PM in the eyes of many/most. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:00 - Sep 28 with 1404 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 13:21 - Sep 28 by Zapers |
You just don't get it do you, either because you are naive, or you just stick your head in the sand. Either way is not a good look.
And yes you are right, I never mentioned the tories because plenty of people on here tore into them day after day, and rightly so.
You on the other hand stick to labour under whatever circumstance. You might think it's right, but if I had supported the tories when they were in government, you would have been all over me like a rash, as witnessed by the way you treat GB |
I have completely explained my position and why I think there's a huge difference between gifts and billion pound corruption. It's neither naive or head stuck in the sand, it's just a different opinion to yours. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:28 - Sep 28 with 1340 views | Zapers |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:00 - Sep 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I have completely explained my position and why I think there's a huge difference between gifts and billion pound corruption. It's neither naive or head stuck in the sand, it's just a different opinion to yours. |
So I’ll put you down as naive. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:32 - Sep 28 with 1326 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:28 - Sep 28 by Zapers |
So I’ll put you down as naive. |
I've already put you down as stupid. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:34 - Sep 28 with 1321 views | Churchman |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 13:24 - Sep 28 by Vegtablue |
Tbf I've received plenty of free lunches for my sins. In declaring Labour Lord (since 1998) Alli's generosity on the books, will it be difficult to unduly favour him without creating a scandal? It would be interesting to know if the man is similarly lavish with other friends, or if this is indeed a targeted attempt to keep or win the ear of Labour's top team in policy matters.
That a (very) wealthy friend and colleague would offer Angela a swanky place to stay or Kier's son a quiet space to study seems quite normal to me, providing the relationship is built on genuine friendship and friendship alone. £32K on clothes would be enough to make most people blush, but if your income last year was over £400k and if your net worth is reportedly around £8m, maybe such gifts do feel less lavish for that recipient. If framed in terms of 'the leader and chief representative of the country must look their best', I can see how an extremely wealthy man may come to accept such a donation from an unfathomably wealthy colleague and friend, without considering that it would later result in media uproar.
I understand it's poor politics in the midst of economic hardship for many and 'difficult decisions' for the country, and that Keir appears to have been enjoying himself too much with his footy and Swifty freebies too, but honestly I don't see the above as evidence that his integrity has been compromised - that policy matters will be shaped or steered by his declared free lunches. I fully expect the magnifying glasses are readied to see if such influences may be identified or manufactured. Crony gov contracts, siphoning off millions and billions of our money to feather nests in exchange for worthless products at ridiculously inflated prices, that is a genuine public scandal.
I don't hold sympathy for Starmer though I should add; it was he who drew so heavily on his unimpeachable character in the election campaign and so I would have expected him to be irrationally cautious about this stuff if anything, not a bit careless in places, or even wilfully opaque, and not indulged to the point that he looks a pampered PM in the eyes of many/most. |
With your point:
‘That a (very) wealthy friend and colleague would offer Angela a swanky place to stay or Kier's son a quiet space to study seems quite normal to me, providing the relationship is built on genuine friendship and friendship alone. ‘
If that’s the case, I cannot disagree with that. But is it? Only the donator of such largess to a multi millionaire and the multi millionaire reciever can answer that question.
With regards to Ryorry’s point about doing right finding a quiet place for his son to study, I get that. However given his spending power he could have done that a number of different ways.
I repeat, as it stands, he’s done nothing illegal, nothing against the rules. My question is really around why do it with the potential to use that against you and what do these donors want?
I know I’m a bit black and white on this, but the same questions apply to whoever is in power. That the tories were slimy, grasping, some of them criminal scumbags does not stop questions being asked of anyone in any form of power or in my somewhat puritanical way, walk of life.
I always held the view that if you are going to steal a few quid off expenses or from a till if you are a bank or shop cashier, steal a million. You are over the line and scale of theft has nothing to do with it. You are toast. But maybe that’s just me. |  | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:35 - Sep 28 with 1314 views | textbackup |
I just don’t understand why they don’t buy their own clothes.
Sports people are sponsored so get given clobber to wear, surely MPs aren’t sponsored… are they?!
(I know the other lot were just as bad, actually, far worse, but two wrongs don’t make a right) [Post edited 28 Sep 2024 14:41]
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:57 - Sep 28 with 1278 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:35 - Sep 28 by textbackup |
I just don’t understand why they don’t buy their own clothes.
Sports people are sponsored so get given clobber to wear, surely MPs aren’t sponsored… are they?!
(I know the other lot were just as bad, actually, far worse, but two wrongs don’t make a right) [Post edited 28 Sep 2024 14:41]
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They can and do buy their own clothes. And also, like most normal people, they accept gifts when offered. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:04 - Sep 28 with 1229 views | Zapers |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:32 - Sep 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've already put you down as stupid. |
Temper, temper.
Have a great day;) | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:12 - Sep 28 with 1221 views | Zapers |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:57 - Sep 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
They can and do buy their own clothes. And also, like most normal people, they accept gifts when offered. |
Funny that! I’ve never been given GBP107,000 worth of free gifts.
I was obviously in the wrong business, I wasn’t in a position to scratch someone’s back in return, certainly not to that amount.
You’re right, I must be stupid, but I guess I’m not alone. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:13 - Sep 28 with 1216 views | Vegtablue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:34 - Sep 28 by Churchman |
With your point:
‘That a (very) wealthy friend and colleague would offer Angela a swanky place to stay or Kier's son a quiet space to study seems quite normal to me, providing the relationship is built on genuine friendship and friendship alone. ‘
If that’s the case, I cannot disagree with that. But is it? Only the donator of such largess to a multi millionaire and the multi millionaire reciever can answer that question.
With regards to Ryorry’s point about doing right finding a quiet place for his son to study, I get that. However given his spending power he could have done that a number of different ways.
I repeat, as it stands, he’s done nothing illegal, nothing against the rules. My question is really around why do it with the potential to use that against you and what do these donors want?
I know I’m a bit black and white on this, but the same questions apply to whoever is in power. That the tories were slimy, grasping, some of them criminal scumbags does not stop questions being asked of anyone in any form of power or in my somewhat puritanical way, walk of life.
I always held the view that if you are going to steal a few quid off expenses or from a till if you are a bank or shop cashier, steal a million. You are over the line and scale of theft has nothing to do with it. You are toast. But maybe that’s just me. |
I agree, he's put his head needlessly above the parapet when he claimed to hold the highest standards. It would appear the long-pervading culture in politics is for MPs to receive plentiful gifts, to declare these gifts to avoid charges of corruption, much like MPs must declare their financial interests, and those in higher positions generally receive more and better gifts.
Gifts are often not contractual in nature (most of mine are given freely and without expectation or obligation) and I think it would be naive of donors to trust that their gifts would amount to favour being bought, especially when this is is seemingly such normal practice and competing factions are presumably at times donating to the same recipient. I have no doubt that some unscrupulous MPs still operate on the exchange of gifts for influence though and it seems high time we have a look at this normalised stuff.
I don't disagree with your last paragraph but the analogy / sentiment may not clearly carry over to this discussion, given the practice isn't currently deemed improper. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:17 - Sep 28 with 1191 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:04 - Sep 28 by Zapers |
Temper, temper.
Have a great day;) |
No temper, you were rude to me so I was rude back. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:24 - Sep 28 with 1155 views | Ryorry |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 14:34 - Sep 28 by Churchman |
With your point:
‘That a (very) wealthy friend and colleague would offer Angela a swanky place to stay or Kier's son a quiet space to study seems quite normal to me, providing the relationship is built on genuine friendship and friendship alone. ‘
If that’s the case, I cannot disagree with that. But is it? Only the donator of such largess to a multi millionaire and the multi millionaire reciever can answer that question.
With regards to Ryorry’s point about doing right finding a quiet place for his son to study, I get that. However given his spending power he could have done that a number of different ways.
I repeat, as it stands, he’s done nothing illegal, nothing against the rules. My question is really around why do it with the potential to use that against you and what do these donors want?
I know I’m a bit black and white on this, but the same questions apply to whoever is in power. That the tories were slimy, grasping, some of them criminal scumbags does not stop questions being asked of anyone in any form of power or in my somewhat puritanical way, walk of life.
I always held the view that if you are going to steal a few quid off expenses or from a till if you are a bank or shop cashier, steal a million. You are over the line and scale of theft has nothing to do with it. You are toast. But maybe that’s just me. |
So, other than a soulless, depressing hotel room, how would you have sorted out a suitable, peaceful study space for your kid by the next day? |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:30 - Sep 28 with 1133 views | Zapers |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:17 - Sep 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No temper, you were rude to me so I was rude back. |
Calling someone naive is hardly being rude.
However calling someone stupid, is rude. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:35 - Sep 28 with 1122 views | mutters |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 15:24 - Sep 28 by Ryorry |
So, other than a soulless, depressing hotel room, how would you have sorted out a suitable, peaceful study space for your kid by the next day? |
He knew he was running for the biggest job in the land, he knew that unless there was a complete miracle he was going to be PM, the fact he didn't plan or see this coming is incredibly naive. The lack of planning and foresight I hope isn't indicative of how he plans to run the country. | |
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