| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 04:42 - Sep 28 with 1908 views | Benters |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 18:35 - Sep 27 by redrickstuhaart |
Not really.
Are we really expecting the leader of the country to pitch up to world events in a suit from Burtons? |
Why can’t he buy his own clothes ? |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 04:53 - Sep 28 with 1893 views | Benters |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 18:41 - Sep 27 by SitfcB |
Such a big fuss over nothing.
Man in privileged position in getting freebies shocker, happens up and down the country every day ffs. |
It’s never happened to me. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 04:54 - Sep 28 with 1892 views | Benters |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 18:42 - Sep 27 by GlasgowBlue |
He has a net worth of nearly £8 million. I'm sure he can stretch to a couple of £1200 Armani suits and not be on the breadline. [Post edited 27 Sep 2024 18:42]
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This. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:15 - Sep 28 with 1857 views | jimmyvet |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 04:53 - Sep 28 by Benters |
It’s never happened to me. |
Couldn’t agree more it’s an absolute disgrace. In the professional world I work in any gift over 50 pound has to be declared accepting anything more and it’s deemed ‘bribery’ and your integrity is called into question.
How on earth the PM thinks it’s acceptable to have taken such lavish gifts is both incredibly stupid and smacks of zero integrity and a complete disregard for the millions in our society who are struggling daily to survive. It will cost him dearly every day now whilst he’s PM and based on this monumental lack of judgement that may not be very long. |  | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:17 - Sep 28 with 1851 views | Benters |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:15 - Sep 28 by jimmyvet |
Couldn’t agree more it’s an absolute disgrace. In the professional world I work in any gift over 50 pound has to be declared accepting anything more and it’s deemed ‘bribery’ and your integrity is called into question.
How on earth the PM thinks it’s acceptable to have taken such lavish gifts is both incredibly stupid and smacks of zero integrity and a complete disregard for the millions in our society who are struggling daily to survive. It will cost him dearly every day now whilst he’s PM and based on this monumental lack of judgement that may not be very long. |
I think you are spot on. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:18 - Sep 28 with 1851 views | BlueBoots |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 19:45 - Sep 27 by BloomBlue |
No different from what Boris did and Labour complained about that, they're both cut from the same cloth. |
With respect, big difference between accepting a gift (however large) from a friend which has no impact on public finances, and the type of "favours" Boris was doing (just one example below)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4nnq8q5depo
I'm also sure that if you dig there will be examples of the last lot accepting gifts too, but I wouldn't trust the majority of them to actually declare them so it becomes public (as these have done). |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:21 - Sep 28 with 1842 views | Benters |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:18 - Sep 28 by BlueBoots |
With respect, big difference between accepting a gift (however large) from a friend which has no impact on public finances, and the type of "favours" Boris was doing (just one example below)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4nnq8q5depo
I'm also sure that if you dig there will be examples of the last lot accepting gifts too, but I wouldn't trust the majority of them to actually declare them so it becomes public (as these have done). |
I think a lot of people want to know what this Lord Ali chap expected in return. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:23 - Sep 28 with 1845 views | BlueBadger |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 21:44 - Sep 27 by MattinLondon |
You weren’t hoping for better - you couldn’t wait to stick the boot in. |
Fair play to Banksy here, a lot of people would have wanted MONEY to turn out and defend the Russian and Iranian governments, his boy Jezza does it for nowt. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:38 - Sep 28 with 1798 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:18 - Sep 28 by BlueBoots |
With respect, big difference between accepting a gift (however large) from a friend which has no impact on public finances, and the type of "favours" Boris was doing (just one example below)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4nnq8q5depo
I'm also sure that if you dig there will be examples of the last lot accepting gifts too, but I wouldn't trust the majority of them to actually declare them so it becomes public (as these have done). |
Again. Why are we comparing Starmer to Johnson?
Johnson was a vile grifter who was in it for himself and not to make the country a better place. He was a corrupt and incompetent buffoon. Let’s just deal with Starmer without the need for comparing him to the previous regime.
Starmer is a wealthy man worth £8 million. Why should another wealthy Labour donor be buying his clothes?
When pensioners are facing a winter where the choice is heat or eat, this looks awful. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:54 - Sep 28 with 1768 views | BlueBoots |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:38 - Sep 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Again. Why are we comparing Starmer to Johnson?
Johnson was a vile grifter who was in it for himself and not to make the country a better place. He was a corrupt and incompetent buffoon. Let’s just deal with Starmer without the need for comparing him to the previous regime.
Starmer is a wealthy man worth £8 million. Why should another wealthy Labour donor be buying his clothes?
When pensioners are facing a winter where the choice is heat or eat, this looks awful. |
"Again. Why are we comparing Starmer to Johnson?"
Errr...maybe because my reply was in response to a poster who claimed there was no difference between the actions of Boris and Starmer? | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:56 - Sep 28 with 1758 views | jimmyvet |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:38 - Sep 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Again. Why are we comparing Starmer to Johnson?
Johnson was a vile grifter who was in it for himself and not to make the country a better place. He was a corrupt and incompetent buffoon. Let’s just deal with Starmer without the need for comparing him to the previous regime.
Starmer is a wealthy man worth £8 million. Why should another wealthy Labour donor be buying his clothes?
When pensioners are facing a winter where the choice is heat or eat, this looks awful. |
It looks awful, because it is awful. Terrible judgement and sense of entitlement that this is ok. It’s not, the PM should be setting an example not taking a ‘bung’ from the highest bidder.
My overriding concern is how can the PM be so detached from reality to think this is ok? | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:36 - Sep 28 with 1683 views | Churchman |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:56 - Sep 28 by jimmyvet |
It looks awful, because it is awful. Terrible judgement and sense of entitlement that this is ok. It’s not, the PM should be setting an example not taking a ‘bung’ from the highest bidder.
My overriding concern is how can the PM be so detached from reality to think this is ok? |
Agree with you. I think the other element to this is one I alluded to in my earlier post. There’s no such thing as a free lunch. What do people want for their …..’gifts’? Have they been promised anything now free gear Kier is in No 10?? Do they any leverage over him? Is he compromised in any way?
Hopefully the answer is none and no. But that means people have given him stuff/tickets etc because they love him? Think he needs it? To the level he’s taken it to?
For me this isn’t about whataboutery, convention, ah wells, it’s only this or that, Johnson etc etc. it’s about right and wrong. |  | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:13 - Sep 28 with 1608 views | DJR |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 18:35 - Sep 27 by redrickstuhaart |
Not really.
Are we really expecting the leader of the country to pitch up to world events in a suit from Burtons? |
Unlike Rishi Sunak who is much slimmer, I don't think Starmer has the physique to look good in expensive suits.
That being the case, why couldn't he have just bought 10 M&S suits at £200 each, and got them regularly dry cleaned? |  | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:13 - Sep 28 with 1608 views | Zapers |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:36 - Sep 28 by Churchman |
Agree with you. I think the other element to this is one I alluded to in my earlier post. There’s no such thing as a free lunch. What do people want for their …..’gifts’? Have they been promised anything now free gear Kier is in No 10?? Do they any leverage over him? Is he compromised in any way?
Hopefully the answer is none and no. But that means people have given him stuff/tickets etc because they love him? Think he needs it? To the level he’s taken it to?
For me this isn’t about whataboutery, convention, ah wells, it’s only this or that, Johnson etc etc. it’s about right and wrong. |
Correct, no one gives away gifts, without expecting something in return. Politicians are no exception.
All politicians who receive gifts know their is a bill to pay somewhere down the line. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:14 - Sep 28 with 1600 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 04:30 - Sep 28 by Zapers |
A thief is a thief, doesn't matter how big the haul is. |
Starmer's not a thief though. These were gifts, allowed in the rules. Very different to the Tories stealing our tax payer money and funnelling it to their mates for dodgy PPE contracts. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:15 - Sep 28 with 1593 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 04:53 - Sep 28 by Benters |
It’s never happened to me. |
Weren't you a gardener? | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:17 - Sep 28 with 1573 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 07:15 - Sep 28 by jimmyvet |
Couldn’t agree more it’s an absolute disgrace. In the professional world I work in any gift over 50 pound has to be declared accepting anything more and it’s deemed ‘bribery’ and your integrity is called into question.
How on earth the PM thinks it’s acceptable to have taken such lavish gifts is both incredibly stupid and smacks of zero integrity and a complete disregard for the millions in our society who are struggling daily to survive. It will cost him dearly every day now whilst he’s PM and based on this monumental lack of judgement that may not be very long. |
IT'S IN THE BLOODY RULES!!
It HAS been declared.
I think you (and probably quite a few annoyed by this) are just jealous that Starmer's gifts are bigger than yours! | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:21 - Sep 28 with 1537 views | Zapers |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:17 - Sep 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
IT'S IN THE BLOODY RULES!!
It HAS been declared.
I think you (and probably quite a few annoyed by this) are just jealous that Starmer's gifts are bigger than yours! |
Time to wake up and smell that coffee, there is no such thing as a free gift. | | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:29 - Sep 28 with 1489 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:13 - Sep 28 by DJR |
Unlike Rishi Sunak who is much slimmer, I don't think Starmer has the physique to look good in expensive suits.
That being the case, why couldn't he have just bought 10 M&S suits at £200 each, and got them regularly dry cleaned? |
Same with his glasses, should have gone to Specsaver. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:34 - Sep 28 with 1472 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:21 - Sep 28 by Zapers |
Time to wake up and smell that coffee, there is no such thing as a free gift. |
Why weren't you complaining when the Tories were doing it? | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:38 - Sep 28 with 1466 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:17 - Sep 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
IT'S IN THE BLOODY RULES!!
It HAS been declared.
I think you (and probably quite a few annoyed by this) are just jealous that Starmer's gifts are bigger than yours! |
Not correctly declared but apparently has been now.
This is an important issue and nothing to do with the previous lot & PPE. It was clear from day one what was going to happen, Hunt openly invited suppliers to name their price and it would be paid.
Let’s focus on the current issue. It is worrying that Starmer seems to genuinely believe his actions are acceptable. They are not. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:42 - Sep 28 with 1458 views | Ryorry |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 08:36 - Sep 28 by Churchman |
Agree with you. I think the other element to this is one I alluded to in my earlier post. There’s no such thing as a free lunch. What do people want for their …..’gifts’? Have they been promised anything now free gear Kier is in No 10?? Do they any leverage over him? Is he compromised in any way?
Hopefully the answer is none and no. But that means people have given him stuff/tickets etc because they love him? Think he needs it? To the level he’s taken it to?
For me this isn’t about whataboutery, convention, ah wells, it’s only this or that, Johnson etc etc. it’s about right and wrong. |
You’d have turned down an instant solution, in the form of borrowing the flat of a FRIEND & fellow LP MEMBER, to your child’s revision for GCSEs being disrupted by clamouring hordes of journalists then, since organising a rental would have taken time?
It’s the criticism he’s getting for that which really annoys me, he was doing the best he could to keep his promise to his son in pressing circumstances where time was of the essence; I think 99% of the population would have done the same in that situation and there’s a lot of convenient hypocrisy going on.
Can at least understand the criticism for the clothes thing, though as others have said it was declared and within the rules. |  |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:01 - Sep 28 with 1411 views | bsw72 |
I just want to check whether you understand the difference between accepting a gift/donation, subsequently declaring at as per guidelines versus signing contracts with donors and paying for those contracts, which prove to subsequently be worthless, with tax payers money.
Can you explain how accepting gifts is a kick in the teeth for hardworking families? If he was using tax payers money to purchase his clothing I would get it, but that is not what he has done.
In the last few months I have been to several football matches, attended a number of dinners and been flown out to San Jose and San Fran for conferences all paid for by vendors I have contracts with, all declared and above board with work.
I genuinely do not understand the fuss about declared donations, it is not a new phenomenon and has been done in business and politics forever. |  | | |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:18 - Sep 28 with 1384 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:01 - Sep 28 by bsw72 |
I just want to check whether you understand the difference between accepting a gift/donation, subsequently declaring at as per guidelines versus signing contracts with donors and paying for those contracts, which prove to subsequently be worthless, with tax payers money.
Can you explain how accepting gifts is a kick in the teeth for hardworking families? If he was using tax payers money to purchase his clothing I would get it, but that is not what he has done.
In the last few months I have been to several football matches, attended a number of dinners and been flown out to San Jose and San Fran for conferences all paid for by vendors I have contracts with, all declared and above board with work.
I genuinely do not understand the fuss about declared donations, it is not a new phenomenon and has been done in business and politics forever. |
The only fuss is coming from the hypocritical right and a butt-hurt Corbynite. | |
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| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 10:21 - Sep 28 with 1358 views | DJR |
| Just the odd £32,000 on clothes then on 09:42 - Sep 28 by Ryorry |
You’d have turned down an instant solution, in the form of borrowing the flat of a FRIEND & fellow LP MEMBER, to your child’s revision for GCSEs being disrupted by clamouring hordes of journalists then, since organising a rental would have taken time?
It’s the criticism he’s getting for that which really annoys me, he was doing the best he could to keep his promise to his son in pressing circumstances where time was of the essence; I think 99% of the population would have done the same in that situation and there’s a lot of convenient hypocrisy going on.
Can at least understand the criticism for the clothes thing, though as others have said it was declared and within the rules. |
Interesting to note that my MP, Tom Tugendhat, who is standing for the Tory leadership has received a lot in the way of donations.
This one sticks out, but is rather vague.
Name of donor: Blue WV Ltd
Address of donor: 103 Cronin Street, London SE15 6JD
Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: £41,000
Date received: 6 August 2024
Date accepted: 6 August 2024
Donor status: company, registration 15311615
(Registered 2 September 2024)
Indeed, the various candidates are pulling in the cash if this is anything to go by.
https://bylinetimes.com/2024/09/05/conservative-tycoons-splash-the-cash-leadersh
I suppose running to be leader, and being opposition leader, do involve the need for financial help for certain things, and the lending of property is not uncommon to run campaigns etc, but in the case of Starmer, it seems to me that he ought to have shown better judgment when it comes to things like Taylor Swift tickets which can't really be justified on the basis that it is necessary for his role as opposition leader.
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