| The 4th goal 22:14 - Oct 28 with 8532 views | FrimleyBlue |
As per the tweet made by someone. It's a good view which does indeed show that neither cb had a chance of heading it.
I have to ask an ex gks here. Why is muric looking at the Brentford player ahead of him rather than the ball...
Genuine question that one as it might be something normal in that situation which may look odd looking at it from the outside but as a keeper completely normal.
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| The 4th goal on 22:33 - Oct 28 with 5897 views | FromReuserWithLove |
should more be done to stop the cross in the first place? |  | | |
| The 4th goal on 22:35 - Oct 28 with 5867 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The 4th goal on 22:33 - Oct 28 by FromReuserWithLove |
should more be done to stop the cross in the first place? |
Probably but that's never really a strong point of ours the last couple years. But we were always strong in the box so it never really troubled us. | |
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| The 4th goal on 22:39 - Oct 28 with 5839 views | WicklowBlue |
| The 4th goal on 22:33 - Oct 28 by FromReuserWithLove |
should more be done to stop the cross in the first place? |
Yep most definitely! Leif gets turned on the inside but it isn't a strike on goal. Muric is looking at the CBs to deal with it and wasn't watching the flight of the ball. |  | | |
| The 4th goal on 22:46 - Oct 28 with 5787 views | Vic |
I'm trying to work out what OShea is saying when he puts his arms out.
Bit of a mess all round really. |  |
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| The 4th goal on 23:24 - Oct 28 with 5598 views | BLUEBEAT |
| The 4th goal on 22:33 - Oct 28 by FromReuserWithLove |
should more be done to stop the cross in the first place? |
Leif can do no wrong.
O’Shea indicated to Muric that it was going wide. |  |
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| The 4th goal on 23:30 - Oct 28 with 5573 views | WicklowBlue |
| The 4th goal on 23:24 - Oct 28 by BLUEBEAT |
Leif can do no wrong.
O’Shea indicated to Muric that it was going wide. |
Yes I thought the same re. going wide. Not sure that's what did Muric though, I think he expected the centre halves to deal with the cross if you look at his eyes
It's one of those goals where no one takes control of the situation unfortunately. | | | |
| The 4th goal on 23:41 - Oct 28 with 5536 views | tractorshark |
| The 4th goal on 23:24 - Oct 28 by BLUEBEAT |
Leif can do no wrong.
O’Shea indicated to Muric that it was going wide. |
Don’t think O’Shea was indicating it was going wide, I think he was making it clear he was leaving it for the keeper. Rightly or wrongly.
Muric had a clear line of sight throughout. If a striker had run across the flight of the ball, then fair enough, you could make an excuse for Muric being wrong footed.
You can dress it up any way you like and apportion percentages of blame to Davis and O’Shea but the fact remains it was another howler from Muric.
And they keep coming. Yes he makes some excellent saves but it means nothing if he keeps gifting goals.
And he’s got that in him every single game. There have been plenty of examples where his kicking and handling has been suspect and he’s got away with it.
Straight after Brentford’s fourth goal, we saw him scuff a clearance straight to the attacker.
Bottom line is we’ve seen enough to form some sort of judgement on Muric and while I won’t write him off just yet, I’m afraid it does look like we’ve had our pants pulled down by Burnley.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either lying or kidding themselves. And I guarantee there will be people inside the club who are thinking exactly the same. |  | | |
| The 4th goal on 23:47 - Oct 28 with 5512 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| The 4th goal on 23:41 - Oct 28 by tractorshark |
Don’t think O’Shea was indicating it was going wide, I think he was making it clear he was leaving it for the keeper. Rightly or wrongly.
Muric had a clear line of sight throughout. If a striker had run across the flight of the ball, then fair enough, you could make an excuse for Muric being wrong footed.
You can dress it up any way you like and apportion percentages of blame to Davis and O’Shea but the fact remains it was another howler from Muric.
And they keep coming. Yes he makes some excellent saves but it means nothing if he keeps gifting goals.
And he’s got that in him every single game. There have been plenty of examples where his kicking and handling has been suspect and he’s got away with it.
Straight after Brentford’s fourth goal, we saw him scuff a clearance straight to the attacker.
Bottom line is we’ve seen enough to form some sort of judgement on Muric and while I won’t write him off just yet, I’m afraid it does look like we’ve had our pants pulled down by Burnley.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either lying or kidding themselves. And I guarantee there will be people inside the club who are thinking exactly the same. |
I agree with you but the club were so delighted with acquisition that they signed a long-term contract with stat firm that recommended him. | | | |
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| The 4th goal on 00:02 - Oct 29 with 5481 views | tractorshark |
| The 4th goal on 23:47 - Oct 28 by FromReuserWithLove |
I agree with you but the club were so delighted with acquisition that they signed a long-term contract with stat firm that recommended him. |
Yep. I think we’ve now had to cut our links with the data company as they’re involved with Brighton.
I appreciate not every transfer will work and obviously the higher up the leagues you go, the more expensive those mistakes become.
Muric may well prove me wrong. He’s definitely capable of world-class saves but at the moment our defensive errors are going to relegate us.
And while others aren’t blameless, Muric is the biggest culprit in that.
The amazing thing with the data company is one of the biggest attributes we would have asked for is a keeper who’s comfortable with the ball at his feet and can pass accurately.
Muric doesn’t do either very well. It’s baffling. | | | |
| The 4th goal on 03:28 - Oct 29 with 5245 views | Illinoisblue |
It’s the best/worst kind of ball in; it’s not really a cross and not really a shot. So can understand a keeper being baffled by it. But ffs, he’s got to at least move and try and save it, surely? |  |
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| The 4th goal on 05:06 - Oct 29 with 5145 views | ibbleobble |
| The 4th goal on 03:28 - Oct 29 by Illinoisblue |
It’s the best/worst kind of ball in; it’s not really a cross and not really a shot. So can understand a keeper being baffled by it. But ffs, he’s got to at least move and try and save it, surely? |
The keeper needs to command the 6-yard box at all times, it’s their domain. If need be, they come through and absolutely clatter the CBs to take the ball. Waiting for a CB to make a decision there is lunacy. It’s a 101 goalkeeping failure. | | | |
| The 4th goal on 06:26 - Oct 29 with 4997 views | Horsham |
The point of whether O’Shea should or was able to head the ball away really isn’t relevant to whether Muric should keep the cross out of the net. Regardless of anything O’Shea did or didn’t do it was a mistake by Muric that enabled the goal. |  | | |
| The 4th goal on 06:29 - Oct 29 with 4985 views | Battersea_Blue |
| The 4th goal on 22:33 - Oct 28 by FromReuserWithLove |
should more be done to stop the cross in the first place? |
In my opinion, yes.
Mbeumo is left footed, Leif knows that, so should have forced him down the line. Leif's positioning is very poor, leaving the inside open, which is obviously far more dangerous in any case, especially with a left footer.
For me, Muric is just as culpable as there wasn't a Brentford player close enough to the flight of the ball to add any touch. Total miscalculation by Muric and appeared unaware of zero impending danger, apart from the flight of the ball. | | | |
| The 4th goal on 07:22 - Oct 29 with 4761 views | tcblue |
There's barely a week which goes by where a keeper isn't done by one of these. You get taught to anticipate a touch; you look even more foolish if you dive for the 'cross shot'.
Vilifying one person for all the woes isn't fair on the person, nor the team. There's plenty of criticism to be shared across our back seven this season. | | | |
| The 4th goal on 07:30 - Oct 29 with 4691 views | Europablue |
| The 4th goal on 22:46 - Oct 28 by Vic |
I'm trying to work out what OShea is saying when he puts his arms out.
Bit of a mess all round really. |
We have a huge problem in that we don't have a settled back 5. They will never understand how to play with each other if there isn't a consistent line up. Tuanzebe is a really calming influence. It is ridiculous how he got injured. We really aren't getting any luck with injuries and decisions in games, but we also need to make our own luck. We can't afford to give away goals so easily when we go in front. | | | |
| The 4th goal on 08:00 - Oct 29 with 4482 views | ITFCSG |
| The 4th goal on 07:22 - Oct 29 by tcblue |
There's barely a week which goes by where a keeper isn't done by one of these. You get taught to anticipate a touch; you look even more foolish if you dive for the 'cross shot'.
Vilifying one person for all the woes isn't fair on the person, nor the team. There's plenty of criticism to be shared across our back seven this season. |
Yes, but when the defence has no confidence in the keeper everytime a ball comes in they will be $hitting bricks and as a result become prone to making more errors than usual.
Its a chain of causation that starts from the keeper. | | | |
| The 4th goal on 08:15 - Oct 29 with 4321 views | OsmansCleanSheet |
| The 4th goal on 07:22 - Oct 29 by tcblue |
There's barely a week which goes by where a keeper isn't done by one of these. You get taught to anticipate a touch; you look even more foolish if you dive for the 'cross shot'.
Vilifying one person for all the woes isn't fair on the person, nor the team. There's plenty of criticism to be shared across our back seven this season. |
Maybe, but in this case there’s no one anywhere close to getting a touch on the ball. It was a complete misjudgment by Muric and just adds to an ever increasing list of errors. |  | | |
| The 4th goal on 08:23 - Oct 29 with 4276 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The 4th goal on 22:46 - Oct 28 by Vic |
I'm trying to work out what OShea is saying when he puts his arms out.
Bit of a mess all round really. |
He’s indicating to Muric that he’s leaving it. Any contact from O’Shea could likely end up as an own goal. |  |
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| The 4th goal on 08:42 - Oct 29 with 4162 views | homer_123 |
| The 4th goal on 22:33 - Oct 28 by FromReuserWithLove |
should more be done to stop the cross in the first place? |
Yup, but as you can see. Leif has a runner to contend with as well.
If he stays with Mbeuemo then the runner is open. |  |
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| I didn't like the signing on 08:49 - Oct 29 with 4081 views | Dyland |
| The 4th goal on 23:41 - Oct 28 by tractorshark |
Don’t think O’Shea was indicating it was going wide, I think he was making it clear he was leaving it for the keeper. Rightly or wrongly.
Muric had a clear line of sight throughout. If a striker had run across the flight of the ball, then fair enough, you could make an excuse for Muric being wrong footed.
You can dress it up any way you like and apportion percentages of blame to Davis and O’Shea but the fact remains it was another howler from Muric.
And they keep coming. Yes he makes some excellent saves but it means nothing if he keeps gifting goals.
And he’s got that in him every single game. There have been plenty of examples where his kicking and handling has been suspect and he’s got away with it.
Straight after Brentford’s fourth goal, we saw him scuff a clearance straight to the attacker.
Bottom line is we’ve seen enough to form some sort of judgement on Muric and while I won’t write him off just yet, I’m afraid it does look like we’ve had our pants pulled down by Burnley.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either lying or kidding themselves. And I guarantee there will be people inside the club who are thinking exactly the same. |
One of the only negative responses recently I may have got right. And I hope I am still proven wrong, but as you say it's been plenty of time to judge, added to last season's howlers (there were at least three in quick succession at the end of the Prem season).
Er, COYFB! |  |
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| The 4th goal on 08:54 - Oct 29 with 4062 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| The 4th goal on 07:22 - Oct 29 by tcblue |
There's barely a week which goes by where a keeper isn't done by one of these. You get taught to anticipate a touch; you look even more foolish if you dive for the 'cross shot'.
Vilifying one person for all the woes isn't fair on the person, nor the team. There's plenty of criticism to be shared across our back seven this season. |
I wish more people understood this view as you're spot on. It's a nightmare for a goalkeeper.
How many times do you see these type of crosses come into the box and they sweep just wide of the post with a goalkeeper scrambling to get across at the last second as they anticipate a touch.
It feels like Muric won't win at all now. After the first few games people weren't sure, then he made save after save at Brighton and you see the 'that's why we bought him' and 'don't judge aplayer too early' shouts only for this to be reversed already. He's made some really good saves this season. I think he's getting harshly treated. |  |
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| Fair comments and I hope you're right on 08:57 - Oct 29 with 4030 views | Dyland |
| The 4th goal on 08:54 - Oct 29 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
I wish more people understood this view as you're spot on. It's a nightmare for a goalkeeper.
How many times do you see these type of crosses come into the box and they sweep just wide of the post with a goalkeeper scrambling to get across at the last second as they anticipate a touch.
It feels like Muric won't win at all now. After the first few games people weren't sure, then he made save after save at Brighton and you see the 'that's why we bought him' and 'don't judge aplayer too early' shouts only for this to be reversed already. He's made some really good saves this season. I think he's getting harshly treated. |
And I agree the fourth goal yesterday wasn't THAT bad an error. It's the other stuff, especially distribution, that concerns me. As others have said there is culpability across the whole defence (and midfield) to an extent.
Absolute bum luck losing Greaves and Tuanzebe. | |
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| The 1st and 2nd goals were more troubling on 09:00 - Oct 29 with 4003 views | Guthrum |
How easily we were carved open and the missed tackles. |  |
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| The 4th goal on 09:01 - Oct 29 with 3986 views | Bellevue_Blue |
This view actually makes it look so much worse for Muric, this is simple keeping.
You see this all the time when it goes through bodies or a number of people challenge ... not one person even challenged for the ball.
The worst part is, as he comes into view he's not even looking at the ball! He's staring at O'Shea (who he should have a good relationship with) and the striker and as a result the ball goes in a few feet to his right (not even hitting the side netting!!!)
If this happened in League Two you'd think that was an amateur mistake.
I don't want to write Muric off, he's a quality shot-stopper and he actually ranks highly re his command of the box. Theses mad errors have to stop though. | | | |
| The 1st and 2nd goals were more troubling on 09:02 - Oct 29 with 3960 views | baxterbasics |
| The 1st and 2nd goals were more troubling on 09:00 - Oct 29 by Guthrum |
How easily we were carved open and the missed tackles. |
Exactly right, like KM said everyone a yard off the pace in dealing with the threats.
A list of problems before the ball gets anywhere near Muric's goal. |  |
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