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PGMOL and the refs that get trotted out to pontificate on these things are worthless.
It reminds me of cop dramas when a cop has killed someone and no matter how corrupt or guilty they are, the union and fellow officers rally round to protect their own. You can argue that's what a Union should do, but then you wouldn't treat them as impartial and neither should PGMOL and the patsies they roll out to toe the line.
At least to start he tries to fob it away and say "oh I would never be a VAR", but he ends up with the ludicrous assertion that Fatawu doesn't run into Chaplin at all and is merely standing his ground! It's incredulous. You can bet he's handsomely rewarded for making an idiot of himself on TV though.
Talking of refs, I saw that Peterborough scored against Newport and were given a corner not a goal...the ref in charge was Steve Martin, the same fella that disallowed a perfectly good Marcus Harness goal against Barnsley the season before last. There was me thinking the days of sh!t referees were behind us...
The point they're all missing it that it's all about opinions.
Yes, clearly most people think it was a foul. The referee didn't, and he's the one that matters.
You either want referees to make their own decisions or you don't. Like Dermot says if he goes to the screen he's basically going to have to overturn his decision, meaning the game is now being ref'd by someone else.
Do we want the game re-refereed or not? (I suspect the answer is yes if the decision has affected your team.) If you can't see why the referee, in real time, has seen it as a natural coming together and perhaps that Chaplin wasn't strong enough, I think you're refusing to look properly. Sorry.
The Phillips one is the we should be incensed by. Their player goes flying in, he wins the ball but he goes flying in to do it, Phillips barely does anything. It's completely their player's momentum that causes the collision.
Dermot is talking gobbledegook. It's totally nonsensical.
Sure, we can't only blame VAR and refs for our frustrating season so far and let's not get completely sidetracked, but man does it suck. When you can't adequately explain a system when you should be an expert then the system is clearly useless. We can all see it, so sort it out refs and Prem.
The point they're all missing it that it's all about opinions.
Yes, clearly most people think it was a foul. The referee didn't, and he's the one that matters.
You either want referees to make their own decisions or you don't. Like Dermot says if he goes to the screen he's basically going to have to overturn his decision, meaning the game is now being ref'd by someone else.
Do we want the game re-refereed or not? (I suspect the answer is yes if the decision has affected your team.) If you can't see why the referee, in real time, has seen it as a natural coming together and perhaps that Chaplin wasn't strong enough, I think you're refusing to look properly. Sorry.
The Phillips one is the we should be incensed by. Their player goes flying in, he wins the ball but he goes flying in to do it, Phillips barely does anything. It's completely their player's momentum that causes the collision.
"Do we want the game re-refereed or not?"
Re big, game changing decisions, surely that is the whole purpose of VAR? You've got another PL official watching the incident with the benefit of numerous camera angles and with a benefit of hindsight that the referee on the pitch doesn't have.
I like to think I am pretty fair and avoid letting bias creep in. I was arguing on here last week why the decision to give a penalty against Clarke (after VAR intervention) was correct. But for the life of me, I can't see how anyone can argue against that being a penalty on Saturday after VAR have looked at it. Chaplin is in complete control of the ball and does Fatuwu by shifting the ball. His whole bodyweight goes through Chaplin's chest whilst he is trying to evade him. It is stonewall. I would say that roles reversed at the other end too.
The point they're all missing it that it's all about opinions.
Yes, clearly most people think it was a foul. The referee didn't, and he's the one that matters.
You either want referees to make their own decisions or you don't. Like Dermot says if he goes to the screen he's basically going to have to overturn his decision, meaning the game is now being ref'd by someone else.
Do we want the game re-refereed or not? (I suspect the answer is yes if the decision has affected your team.) If you can't see why the referee, in real time, has seen it as a natural coming together and perhaps that Chaplin wasn't strong enough, I think you're refusing to look properly. Sorry.
The Phillips one is the we should be incensed by. Their player goes flying in, he wins the ball but he goes flying in to do it, Phillips barely does anything. It's completely their player's momentum that causes the collision.
But if we have to have VAR (and I don't want it) it needs to be applied consistently. It's total nonsense, as we are seeing.
Listen to Gallagher. He talks utter skippage!
Dermot: He didn't run into him.
Warnock: So why does he (Chaplin) fall over?
Dermot: They collide.
Actual lollers!
And yeh, the sending off is more an issue and it's now happened in consecutive games.
The point they're all missing it that it's all about opinions.
Yes, clearly most people think it was a foul. The referee didn't, and he's the one that matters.
You either want referees to make their own decisions or you don't. Like Dermot says if he goes to the screen he's basically going to have to overturn his decision, meaning the game is now being ref'd by someone else.
Do we want the game re-refereed or not? (I suspect the answer is yes if the decision has affected your team.) If you can't see why the referee, in real time, has seen it as a natural coming together and perhaps that Chaplin wasn't strong enough, I think you're refusing to look properly. Sorry.
The Phillips one is the we should be incensed by. Their player goes flying in, he wins the ball but he goes flying in to do it, Phillips barely does anything. It's completely their player's momentum that causes the collision.
But this is what VAR is here for. If we're saying there's no VAR for anything other than offsides, then fair... but we're not. They've overturned far more marginal calls against us multiple times this season. You're either having VAR, in which case, you have to be prepared to tell the referee he has made a mistake, or you're only going for line decisions, in which case, Man City don't get their penalty against us, and Brentford don't get theirs.
Sending off wouldnt have happened if the pen was given, so the pen decision is the most important. If VAR is run by Referees, then it cant be policed properly, it has to be done by independent judicators.
How any ref in hindsight cannot see that as a penalty, should not be a ref, its as simple as that.
The point they're all missing it that it's all about opinions.
Yes, clearly most people think it was a foul. The referee didn't, and he's the one that matters.
You either want referees to make their own decisions or you don't. Like Dermot says if he goes to the screen he's basically going to have to overturn his decision, meaning the game is now being ref'd by someone else.
Do we want the game re-refereed or not? (I suspect the answer is yes if the decision has affected your team.) If you can't see why the referee, in real time, has seen it as a natural coming together and perhaps that Chaplin wasn't strong enough, I think you're refusing to look properly. Sorry.
The Phillips one is the we should be incensed by. Their player goes flying in, he wins the ball but he goes flying in to do it, Phillips barely does anything. It's completely their player's momentum that causes the collision.
This is why the current implementation of VAR is totally wrong.
The on field ref's opinion is the most important thing so why an earth does he not get to have another look at it?! Why are we not using the 46 cameras to allow a referee to change his original decision based on new angles.
This 'clear and obvious error' stuff is a nightmare because it's allowing errors which are not complete howlers.
I think anyone who has ever watched a game of rugby union can see this is the way which the tech should be implemented. Ref makes a decision, video allows a second look paired with open and transparent communication. Ref makes final decision having had an additional look.
Sending off wouldnt have happened if the pen was given, so the pen decision is the most important. If VAR is run by Referees, then it cant be policed properly, it has to be done by independent judicators.
How any ref in hindsight cannot see that as a penalty, should not be a ref, its as simple as that.
What is the point of him on this program if he can’t answer the question. It’s Like listening to number 10 party gate all over again. Oh it wasn’t a party - we just had a few friends round for some social drinking. Absolute b end
Talking of refs, I saw that Peterborough scored against Newport and were given a corner not a goal...the ref in charge was Steve Martin, the same fella that disallowed a perfectly good Marcus Harness goal against Barnsley the season before last. There was me thinking the days of sh!t referees were behind us...
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From my poor memory of that match, Steve Martin was the absolute embodiment of a ref that wants to be the star of the show. Not just Harness's effort, but right through it. Not to be compared with current stupidity though.
What is the point of him on this program if he can’t answer the question. It’s Like listening to number 10 party gate all over again. Oh it wasn’t a party - we just had a few friends round for some social drinking. Absolute b end
Was like a refs spin doctor. Utterly pointless output
After Gallagher finally answered the question, stating that it wasn't a penalty and then opining that it was a collision, Stephen Warnock should have slowly removed his glasses, offered them to Gallagher with the words, "I think you might need these more than me!"
The point they're all missing it that it's all about opinions.
Yes, clearly most people think it was a foul. The referee didn't, and he's the one that matters.
You either want referees to make their own decisions or you don't. Like Dermot says if he goes to the screen he's basically going to have to overturn his decision, meaning the game is now being ref'd by someone else.
Do we want the game re-refereed or not? (I suspect the answer is yes if the decision has affected your team.) If you can't see why the referee, in real time, has seen it as a natural coming together and perhaps that Chaplin wasn't strong enough, I think you're refusing to look properly. Sorry.
The Phillips one is the we should be incensed by. Their player goes flying in, he wins the ball but he goes flying in to do it, Phillips barely does anything. It's completely their player's momentum that causes the collision.
Let's not defend the people who have systematically ruined the game. This Premier League stuff is absolute crap. I have no idea why Premier League teams have put up with it for all this time. I don't really think you can have a more blatant penalty than that, and if his name was Salah, Saka, Foden, Gordon etc. The penalty would be given. There has to be a market for a seperate league altogether with a mixture of mid to lower end prem teams and consistently higher end Championship teams. Get rid of the nonsense that currently ruins the game. I would imagine it would be the most popular League in this country, let the 'Super League' teams go off and continue to ruin the game.
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