| Delap clause from the Citeh end 22:13 - Nov 11 with 15245 views | Mullet |
Not sure what this does for us in the summer when we sell him |  |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 11:40 - Nov 12 with 1774 views | Vegtablue |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 11:31 - Nov 12 by ReusersTown |
Lol you can't see why they aren't relevant? No point being snippy as you've not got evidence of comparable cases. These situations aren't as common in the Prem as they are in Europe. Obviously assumed the Xavi Simons move was from Barca (maybe you didn't know he was there). |
I've listed multiple examples of its presence in English football too in fairness. It is becoming more common and with good reason, born out of both financial prudence and PSR considerations. The latter may well be driving the otherwise premature sale of a number of young stars, whom clubs like Man City may otherwise have chosen to hoard. I'm confident it explains Villa's Philogene exercise. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 11:45]
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| Nope, not if…. on 11:44 - Nov 12 with 1745 views | Bloots |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 10:03 - Nov 12 by ArnoldMoorhen |
20% sell on clauses are usually of profit over the original price.
For simplicity of maths:
Say Delap was bought for £15 million, and the clauses for the other £5 million are triggered before he leaves.
He will have cost Town £20 million.
If we sell him for £70 million to Atletico Madrid then the profit is £50 million.
City get £10 million (if the 20% figure is correct)
Town receive £60 million, a £40 million profit.
Alternatively City could match Atletico's bid and pay £60 million, giving Town a £40 million profit. |
….its a buy back clause (for about the 50th time) as reported.
The buyback could be set at £30m and as long as City make the offer within the agreed timescales then he’d go back to City and we would make £10m profit.
You are talking about a matching clause, which has only been mentioned by Ipswich fans. |  |
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| Nope, not if…. on 12:01 - Nov 12 with 1646 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Nope, not if…. on 11:44 - Nov 12 by Bloots |
….its a buy back clause (for about the 50th time) as reported.
The buyback could be set at £30m and as long as City make the offer within the agreed timescales then he’d go back to City and we would make £10m profit.
You are talking about a matching clause, which has only been mentioned by Ipswich fans. |
You may be right, but then again you may be basing your assertion on conjecture....
Neither Town nor City published the details of the deal. The information about any sell-on and buyback clauses come from media report with the well worn phrase 'it is understood'.
We will probably not know the intricate detail of the original agreement until Liam is sold, and even them we might never know the exact details of the contract. | | | |
| Totally agree. (n/t) on 12:32 - Nov 12 with 1573 views | Bloots |
| Nope, not if…. on 12:01 - Nov 12 by SuffolkPunchFC |
You may be right, but then again you may be basing your assertion on conjecture....
Neither Town nor City published the details of the deal. The information about any sell-on and buyback clauses come from media report with the well worn phrase 'it is understood'.
We will probably not know the intricate detail of the original agreement until Liam is sold, and even them we might never know the exact details of the contract. |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 12:49 - Nov 12 with 1479 views | cressi |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 10:07 - Nov 12 by Churchman |
The other thing to remember is that clubs are no longer dealing with amateur night flog at first whiff of a pound note Evans and Clegg. There’s no way I see Ashton or the Americans being mugged off by City or anyone else.
Little Ipswich are in a different place now and even if we are financially outmuscled by the rest of the PL, we don’t have to be dictated to in quite the same way as once we were. |
We can't spend it but are the 6th richest club in the Premiership. | | | |
| That may well have been the case…. on 13:08 - Nov 12 with 1426 views | farkenhell |
| That may well have been the case…. on 10:09 - Nov 12 by Chris_ITFC |
A lot of confusion on this thread.
Lavia is the perfect example.
A buyback is the ability for City to buy Delap back at a likely predetermined fee.
A 20% sell-on gives City 20% of whatever we sell him for, to whoever we sell him too.
i.e. If we sell to Tottenham, this gives City 20% of that fee, effectively them investing in his development into a more valuable player.
OR… City effectively get a 20% discount on rebuying him.
Matching rights allows City to match any bid we accept, effectively giving them inside information on what we are willing to sell Delap for - but that isn’t the clause reported in the OP.
As good as Delap has been, much like Lavia, I can’t see City buying him back at this point. Sure, he’s brilliant, but City can buy practically any striker in the world, so let’s keep it in context.
Again, much like Lavia, the most relevant cause is the 20% sell on. This sounds a lot, but it’s standard practice these days, and enables us to buy him cheaper to start with. If we’re selling him, even for 80% of his value, we’ll still be making significant profit if he continues at this trajectory, and he might have even helped us to stay up (£££). |
That's a good, helpful summary. Although if there is a buy-back clause and if this is activated, then I don't think City would get a 20% discount on rebuying him. Otherwise, what would be the point of setting a buy-back price in the contract (eg - if it is agreed that City may buy him back at, say, £40 million, then they would pay £40 million and not £32 million)? In other words, a 20% sell on would apply if we were to sell him to another club. | | | |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 13:09 - Nov 12 with 1417 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:53 - Nov 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
We'll end up paying £20m for Delap.
£35m is less than double. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 9:53]
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£40m is.
If he goes in the summer for example, we would be unlikely to have reached all the milestones for the full additional £5m. |  |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 13:10 - Nov 12 with 1411 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:59 - Nov 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
It won't be 40. |
Whatever suits your narrative hey. | |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 13:15 - Nov 12 with 1372 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 10:47 - Nov 12 by Churchman |
All well and fine, but since we have no idea of the terms of the deal for Delap, all we can say is:
If he has a great season, it may help us stay up which is worth £££
If we don’t, we have bought him for x on y terms. Given how he’s developing and that we paid £15m for him, if he moves on at seasons end we are not going to make a loss on the deal, regardless of how it’s structured.
Delap looks happy and to have settled quickly. His face at the end of Sundays game told you all you needed to know on that score. It may be that the player decides, like Hutchinson did, it’s in his interest career wise to stay here for another season - depending on KM of course.
Archie Gray is a good example. Ok I’ve no doubt he’s paid phenomenally well and Leeds got over £40m for him. He’s a cracking player with enormous potential, but is only playing in tinpot games or a few mins as sub. A player developing as he is needs to be playing week in week out and for his career would have done well to stay at Leeds in my opinion.
All in all, we are a long way from Connor Salmon and Oli Hawkins, thank goodness. It’s all good. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 13:41]
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Exactly...and who's to say he'd definitely want to go to a club like Man City anyway? If he's all about getting Man City money for a couple of seasons to set himself up for life regardless of how it works out for the rest of his career then fair enough, but if ever a reminder were needed of how going there can work out to be a terrible move for a player at the top of their game, he's got one playing in midfield right behind him. | | | |
| The other option, which I hope Ashton is working on... on 13:29 - Nov 12 with 1333 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
....is to negotiate a deal with City to pay them an additional fee to remove the clause. | |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 15:03 - Nov 12 with 1212 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 06:56 - Nov 12 by PrideOfTheEast |
The buy back clause will be 3 times the original fee and will expire after a couple of years I reckon. Obviously every deal differs but think that’s how it typically works.
Think he’ll end up at Spurs personally. |
Buyouts generally seem to be 2-2.5 x the original fee.
Would be nice if its 3x though. | |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 15:06 - Nov 12 with 1210 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:07 - Nov 12 by badadski |
Man city will not use a Buy back to risk buying a player to sell on. As soon as this occurs the player will already start depreciating and it will usually be commonly known what was the buy back amount. No way would a team then pay over the odds for a player sold within a last few months at a vastly increased amount.
Also Delap would not risk going back to city without guarantees of starting as will end up like Phillips and this again instantly devalues his value and pulling attraction to other clubs as he will just be a bit part player or not playing in the first team at all.
Same thing will happen to Philogene, ok he got inured but thats the risk of buying back a player purely for speculative profiteering.
Delap is going no where unless we get relegated. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 9:08]
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Nonsense.
City could easily flip a player on.
All parties involved are intelligent enough to differentiate between marker value and the pre-agreed buy back cost.
If the buy back is significantly below market value, there is profit to be made.
Rest assured there would be zero financial risk to City, they would have their sale tied up even before they bought him back. | |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 20:00 - Nov 12 with 919 views | Mullet |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 07:59 - Nov 12 by Pinewoodblue |
Ask yourself why would we want to sell him?
Only answer I can see is because of relegation. Not going to happen. End of story |
Think that’s incredibly naieve.
If he carries on like this, he’s off to a top six club this summer. The only thing we can look forward to is who we reinvest the money in. | |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 20:06 - Nov 12 with 889 views | bluejacko |
Have I missed that city can make us sell LD? | | | |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 20:14 - Nov 12 with 868 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I think the key takeaways are that none of us know what the detail of this is.
If a fee has been preset, it could be anything. Man City would only really be keen to sign him if he became a top striker so they could easily have agreed a clause that they would expect to be good value for a top player.
If Man City did make a bid that activated a clause, Delap does not have to accept the offer and if he did not expect to play or knew they were buying simply to loan or sell, maybe he would not agree (depending on overall circumstances).
I would imagine that in all likelihood, for the clause to be activated he will have to be among the top few scorers in the Premier League. That will leave us in a very healthy position. I am sure the club will be looking for the next hot prospect that fits our system as disappointing as it would be to see someone like him go.
Plus, don't forget that Ashton has mentioned many times that player trading is a big part of the plan. Any pre-set fee will be with that in mind. |  |
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