| Delap clause from the Citeh end 22:13 - Nov 11 with 15243 views | Mullet |
Not sure what this does for us in the summer when we sell him |  |
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| A matching clause…. on 09:06 - Nov 12 with 1891 views | itfcjoe |
| A matching clause…. on 08:55 - Nov 12 by Bloots |
….hasn't been mentioned by anyone other than Ipswich fans.
It was reported as a buy back at the time.
Wishful thinking I fear. |
Was just looking into some of these, the Hull chairman spoke a fair bit about Jaden Philogene's and was basically this....
They buy him for £5m, if they got promoted to PL then Villa had the right to buy him back for £15m......BUT if anyone else came in with an offer higher than the £15m then Villa had to match that |  |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:07 - Nov 12 with 1867 views | badadski |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 08:59 - Nov 12 by Vaughan8 |
Maybe I'm naïve but would a team like City really do that?
If we're being honest, City are probably looking at a higher level than Delap and I doubt they'd buy him back after 1 year anyway. |
Man city will not use a Buy back to risk buying a player to sell on. As soon as this occurs the player will already start depreciating and it will usually be commonly known what was the buy back amount. No way would a team then pay over the odds for a player sold within a last few months at a vastly increased amount.
Also Delap would not risk going back to city without guarantees of starting as will end up like Phillips and this again instantly devalues his value and pulling attraction to other clubs as he will just be a bit part player or not playing in the first team at all.
Same thing will happen to Philogene, ok he got inured but thats the risk of buying back a player purely for speculative profiteering.
Delap is going no where unless we get relegated. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 9:08]
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:13 - Nov 12 with 1805 views | ReusersTown |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 06:24 - Nov 12 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Cameron Archer
Xavi Simons
Dani Carvajal
Alvaro Morata
Off the top of my head above, plenty others |
Ok, so none of those are very relevant. 3 being in Spain where it will be much more common due to the two club dominance re academy output. Archer was a relegation buyback clause to protect Sheff Utd. | | | |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:15 - Nov 12 with 1795 views | MVBlue |
I can imagine Spurs coming in for Delap and McKenna now |  |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:31 - Nov 12 with 1734 views | BlueBlood90 |
Let's just hope City get a two year transfer ban from their 115 charges and then it becomes irrelevant what their buy back amount is! |  |
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| That may well have been the case…. on 09:40 - Nov 12 with 1712 views | Bloots |
| A matching clause…. on 09:06 - Nov 12 by itfcjoe |
Was just looking into some of these, the Hull chairman spoke a fair bit about Jaden Philogene's and was basically this....
They buy him for £5m, if they got promoted to PL then Villa had the right to buy him back for £15m......BUT if anyone else came in with an offer higher than the £15m then Villa had to match that |
….but my point is that they aren’t all structured that way.
As recent examples Cirkin, Livramento and Lavia all have/had straight buybacks in place.
Interestingly City couldn’t buy Lavia back for two years, so Southampton got some extra cash by selling him early to Chelsea, before City could activate the clause. |  |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:53 - Nov 12 with 1662 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 08:40 - Nov 12 by Marshalls_Mullet |
No one said we would agree a buy back for less than double what we paid. We paid £15m.
Buy backs are generally 2 - 2.5 times the original fee.
Depends on bargaining power. |
We'll end up paying £20m for Delap.
£35m is less than double. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 9:53]
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:57 - Nov 12 with 1643 views | davblue |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:53 - Nov 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
We'll end up paying £20m for Delap.
£35m is less than double. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 9:53]
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40 is double. |  | | |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:59 - Nov 12 with 1633 views | davblue |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 08:44 - Nov 12 by Marshalls_Mullet |
We wouldn't be able to charge City more.
A buy buy clause has a pre agreed, set fee in it. The market value is then totally irrelevant. |
Other clubs not city. | | | |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:59 - Nov 12 with 1635 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:57 - Nov 12 by davblue |
40 is double. |
It won't be 40. | |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 10:03 - Nov 12 with 1608 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 23:08 - Nov 11 by positivity |
i thought the buyback clause was if we agreed to sell him, they can match the figure of the buying club (and obviously pay 20% less)? |
20% sell on clauses are usually of profit over the original price.
For simplicity of maths:
Say Delap was bought for £15 million, and the clauses for the other £5 million are triggered before he leaves.
He will have cost Town £20 million.
If we sell him for £70 million to Atletico Madrid then the profit is £50 million.
City get £10 million (if the 20% figure is correct)
Town receive £60 million, a £40 million profit.
Alternatively City could match Atletico's bid and pay £60 million, giving Town a £40 million profit. | | | |
| That may well have been the case…. on 10:07 - Nov 12 with 1587 views | itfcjoe |
| That may well have been the case…. on 09:40 - Nov 12 by Bloots |
….but my point is that they aren’t all structured that way.
As recent examples Cirkin, Livramento and Lavia all have/had straight buybacks in place.
Interestingly City couldn’t buy Lavia back for two years, so Southampton got some extra cash by selling him early to Chelsea, before City could activate the clause. |
Course, it's just you very rarely see these buy backs activated - Cameron Archer was but that was a fiddle to get around FFP and Villa are now being investigated for buying and selling a player in the same window so that route may be being shut | |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 10:07 - Nov 12 with 1585 views | Churchman |
The other thing to remember is that clubs are no longer dealing with amateur night flog at first whiff of a pound note Evans and Clegg. There’s no way I see Ashton or the Americans being mugged off by City or anyone else.
Little Ipswich are in a different place now and even if we are financially outmuscled by the rest of the PL, we don’t have to be dictated to in quite the same way as once we were. |  | | |
| That may well have been the case…. on 10:09 - Nov 12 with 1573 views | Chris_ITFC |
| That may well have been the case…. on 09:40 - Nov 12 by Bloots |
….but my point is that they aren’t all structured that way.
As recent examples Cirkin, Livramento and Lavia all have/had straight buybacks in place.
Interestingly City couldn’t buy Lavia back for two years, so Southampton got some extra cash by selling him early to Chelsea, before City could activate the clause. |
A lot of confusion on this thread.
Lavia is the perfect example.
A buyback is the ability for City to buy Delap back at a likely predetermined fee.
A 20% sell-on gives City 20% of whatever we sell him for, to whoever we sell him too.
i.e. If we sell to Tottenham, this gives City 20% of that fee, effectively them investing in his development into a more valuable player.
OR… City effectively get a 20% discount on rebuying him.
Matching rights allows City to match any bid we accept, effectively giving them inside information on what we are willing to sell Delap for - but that isn’t the clause reported in the OP.
As good as Delap has been, much like Lavia, I can’t see City buying him back at this point. Sure, he’s brilliant, but City can buy practically any striker in the world, so let’s keep it in context.
Again, much like Lavia, the most relevant cause is the 20% sell on. This sounds a lot, but it’s standard practice these days, and enables us to buy him cheaper to start with. If we’re selling him, even for 80% of his value, we’ll still be making significant profit if he continues at this trajectory, and he might have even helped us to stay up (£££). |  |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 10:11 - Nov 12 with 1549 views | davblue |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:59 - Nov 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
It won't be 40. |
It will be in that ballpark I would have thought if it’s a pre agreed price. Just think City aren’t going to want it to be 60 million as there’s then not any value in it for them. | | | |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 10:27 - Nov 12 with 1496 views | Vegtablue |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 00:03 - Nov 12 by ReusersTown |
"And buy-back = pre-agreed release clause more often than not" any recent examples? I can't think of any |
Cameron Archer would be the most recent example I'm aware of. It was pre-agreed that Villa would buy Archer back for a fixed price should Sheff Utd bs relegated. Below is a BBC article on the increasing prevalence of buy-back clauses, with Tammy Abraham another example; Chelsea have a £68m option to bring him back to Stamford Bridge, not that they would.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cn492y9p3kgo.amp
Below is a helpful article from FourFourTwo, which addresses the confusion people have between first-refusal and buy-back, as well as explaining why buying clubs would be willing to accept such clauses in the transfer terms. The answer to that is quite simple: keenness to sign a player that the selling club is reluctant to let go of, and who otherwise would have been out of reach. Returning to Archer, he may well have refused to leave without the security that he would be saved from the Championship, or Sheff Utd may have needed the clause for financial reasons. More often it is a big club protecting their interests, however.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cn492y9p3kgo.am
Below is a 'top ten' list of players with buy-back clauses, dating back to last summer. Liverpool retained a £40m option on Brewster, Bayern a €55m option on Nianzou, Tottenham a £6m option on Cirkin, Chelsea a £50m option on Livramento. They are most common with young players and power imbalances.
https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-10-players-buy-back-clauses-arsenal-che
Below is an article from 2016, which highlights the surprising absence of buy-back clauses in England at the time, contrasting this with Spanish counterparts; the article cites Morata to Real Madrid for £24m as a prime example and claims both Spanish giants use (*were using, but presumably still use) these terms extensively for young talent.
https://thesetpieces.com/latest-posts/premier-league-clubs-avoid-buy-back-clause
Lastly, below may be the best explanation on the phenomenon. People are being naive IMO if they believe that we wouldn't accept the imposition of such terms on us at this juncture. We were competing with Southampton in a highly challenging striker market, with the no.1 focus clearly being survival and establishing ourselves in this league. It's unrealistic to think we'd drop our interest simply because of a City-imposed potential limit on future profit, if we believe the player can make a really positive contribution in the here and now.
https://www.danielgeey.com/done-deal-blog/football-transfers-buy-back-clauses-ex | | | |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 10:40 - Nov 12 with 1415 views | textbackup |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 08:51 - Nov 12 by Churchman |
Why? If he carries on doing what he’s doing, the world and his misses will be after him. Strikers like that are like gold dust. There would hardly be a race to the bottom of the transfer fee scale just because we are back in the Championship
Whether he wants to move on is another matter and one for him. One thing for sure is that at his age, like Omari he needs to be playing, so I really cannot see him returning to Man City to shine his rear end on the bench.
Who knows, any more than we know the terms of his contract. What I do know is that I saw him in pre-season and thought he looked very ordinary. Er no. He’s an absolute monster of a player who is improving all the time. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 8:58]
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We may/may not ever find out.
But I don’t see it personally |  |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 10:47 - Nov 12 with 1391 views | Churchman |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 10:27 - Nov 12 by Vegtablue |
Cameron Archer would be the most recent example I'm aware of. It was pre-agreed that Villa would buy Archer back for a fixed price should Sheff Utd bs relegated. Below is a BBC article on the increasing prevalence of buy-back clauses, with Tammy Abraham another example; Chelsea have a £68m option to bring him back to Stamford Bridge, not that they would.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cn492y9p3kgo.amp
Below is a helpful article from FourFourTwo, which addresses the confusion people have between first-refusal and buy-back, as well as explaining why buying clubs would be willing to accept such clauses in the transfer terms. The answer to that is quite simple: keenness to sign a player that the selling club is reluctant to let go of, and who otherwise would have been out of reach. Returning to Archer, he may well have refused to leave without the security that he would be saved from the Championship, or Sheff Utd may have needed the clause for financial reasons. More often it is a big club protecting their interests, however.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cn492y9p3kgo.am
Below is a 'top ten' list of players with buy-back clauses, dating back to last summer. Liverpool retained a £40m option on Brewster, Bayern a €55m option on Nianzou, Tottenham a £6m option on Cirkin, Chelsea a £50m option on Livramento. They are most common with young players and power imbalances.
https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-10-players-buy-back-clauses-arsenal-che
Below is an article from 2016, which highlights the surprising absence of buy-back clauses in England at the time, contrasting this with Spanish counterparts; the article cites Morata to Real Madrid for £24m as a prime example and claims both Spanish giants use (*were using, but presumably still use) these terms extensively for young talent.
https://thesetpieces.com/latest-posts/premier-league-clubs-avoid-buy-back-clause
Lastly, below may be the best explanation on the phenomenon. People are being naive IMO if they believe that we wouldn't accept the imposition of such terms on us at this juncture. We were competing with Southampton in a highly challenging striker market, with the no.1 focus clearly being survival and establishing ourselves in this league. It's unrealistic to think we'd drop our interest simply because of a City-imposed potential limit on future profit, if we believe the player can make a really positive contribution in the here and now.
https://www.danielgeey.com/done-deal-blog/football-transfers-buy-back-clauses-ex |
All well and fine, but since we have no idea of the terms of the deal for Delap, all we can say is:
If he has a great season, it may help us stay up which is worth £££
If we don’t, we have bought him for x on y terms. Given how he’s developing and that we paid £15m for him, if he moves on at seasons end we are not going to make a loss on the deal, regardless of how it’s structured.
Delap looks happy and to have settled quickly. His face at the end of Sundays game told you all you needed to know on that score. It may be that the player decides, like Hutchinson did, it’s in his interest career wise to stay here for another season - depending on KM of course.
Archie Gray is a good example. Ok I’ve no doubt he’s paid phenomenally well and Leeds got over £40m for him. He’s a cracking player with enormous potential, but is only playing in tinpot games or a few mins as sub. A player developing as he is needs to be playing week in week out and for his career would have done well to stay at Leeds in my opinion.
All in all, we are a long way from Connor Salmon and Oli Hawkins, thank goodness. It’s all good. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 13:41]
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 11:02 - Nov 12 with 1336 views | Vegtablue |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 10:47 - Nov 12 by Churchman |
All well and fine, but since we have no idea of the terms of the deal for Delap, all we can say is:
If he has a great season, it may help us stay up which is worth £££
If we don’t, we have bought him for x on y terms. Given how he’s developing and that we paid £15m for him, if he moves on at seasons end we are not going to make a loss on the deal, regardless of how it’s structured.
Delap looks happy and to have settled quickly. His face at the end of Sundays game told you all you needed to know on that score. It may be that the player decides, like Hutchinson did, it’s in his interest career wise to stay here for another season - depending on KM of course.
Archie Gray is a good example. Ok I’ve no doubt he’s paid phenomenally well and Leeds got over £40m for him. He’s a cracking player with enormous potential, but is only playing in tinpot games or a few mins as sub. A player developing as he is needs to be playing week in week out and for his career would have done well to stay at Leeds in my opinion.
All in all, we are a long way from Connor Salmon and Oli Hawkins, thank goodness. It’s all good. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 13:41]
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That's it, we've signed a player for £15m-£20m and he's currently delivering much more than that on the pitch. Survival is where the huge money is, you're spot on. Even if Delap is contractually obliged to return to City and he does at some point, we will make a profit of sorts and will have enjoyed his performances while he was here. The only reason his terms are regularly being brought at the moment is because some are getting carried away with his speculated value and perhaps missing the small print, not because we should be spending time worrying about this stuff. | | | |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 11:04 - Nov 12 with 1316 views | ElephantintheRoom |
It means the franchise are happy to act as the sportswasher’s feeder club.
I doubt the club will release the true details of the deal - but I suspects it’s effectively little more than a loan.
There was a rumour Spurs were going to sign him in the Jan window well before Sunday’s capitulation - so you may get your wish long before the summer if he stays fit and scores another goal or two. | |
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| That may well have been the case…. on 11:17 - Nov 12 with 1273 views | BlueBlood90 |
| That may well have been the case…. on 10:07 - Nov 12 by itfcjoe |
Course, it's just you very rarely see these buy backs activated - Cameron Archer was but that was a fiddle to get around FFP and Villa are now being investigated for buying and selling a player in the same window so that route may be being shut |
I remember reading that City had buy back clauses for Romeo Lavia and Douglas Luiz previously but they never opted to take them back.
They did buy back Angelino though. | |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 11:17 - Nov 12 with 1267 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 09:13 - Nov 12 by ReusersTown |
Ok, so none of those are very relevant. 3 being in Spain where it will be much more common due to the two club dominance re academy output. Archer was a relegation buyback clause to protect Sheff Utd. |
Well yeah, obviously if you ignore any cases where it’s happened then no it’s never happened
PSG now being Spanish will probably come as a shock to them too |  |
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| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 11:22 - Nov 12 with 1237 views | ReusersTown |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 10:07 - Nov 12 by Churchman |
The other thing to remember is that clubs are no longer dealing with amateur night flog at first whiff of a pound note Evans and Clegg. There’s no way I see Ashton or the Americans being mugged off by City or anyone else.
Little Ipswich are in a different place now and even if we are financially outmuscled by the rest of the PL, we don’t have to be dictated to in quite the same way as once we were. |
If being fairly critical of Evans, I'd say that it's more that he held on to players too long. There were no really scandalously low transfers other than Webster perhaps. | | | |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 11:31 - Nov 12 with 1177 views | ReusersTown |
| Delap clause from the Citeh end on 11:17 - Nov 12 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Well yeah, obviously if you ignore any cases where it’s happened then no it’s never happened
PSG now being Spanish will probably come as a shock to them too |
Lol you can't see why they aren't relevant? No point being snippy as you've not got evidence of comparable cases. These situations aren't as common in the Prem as they are in Europe. Obviously assumed the Xavi Simons move was from Barca (maybe you didn't know he was there). | | | |
| The buyback for Lavia…. on 11:39 - Nov 12 with 1147 views | Bloots |
| That may well have been the case…. on 11:17 - Nov 12 by BlueBlood90 |
I remember reading that City had buy back clauses for Romeo Lavia and Douglas Luiz previously but they never opted to take them back.
They did buy back Angelino though. |
….didn’t become active for 2 years.
It was for £40m, so Southampton sold him to Chelsea for £53m before City could activate it.
A good example of the big clubs having the smaller clubs over a barrel. | |
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