| Roy Keane 21:13 - Nov 27 with 9190 views | redrickstuhaart |
Anyone defending him or denying he is a coward and a bully, just listen to Luke Hyam's comments this evening on life's a pitch.
In any other walk of life he would be fired and sued. |  | | |  |
| Roy Keane on 16:57 - Nov 28 with 1378 views | sjg |
| Roy Keane on 15:55 - Nov 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So you're already admitting that your facebook source (LOL) has changed his story!
My source has proved correct on this Finbow chap. He's the one who Keane offered out right, not a whole group? And he's now saying he said what my source said!
I have nothing more to say because I've said all I need to say. It's all there. If you want to believe everything you read on social media, that's up to you. You've already been proved wrong in the space of a few posts. What happens when this second guy changes his story as well? |
It wasn't him that Keane offered out. The bloke that Keane offered out apparently was saying something about him refusing to sign autographs for his kids when he was here as a manager, 'in the car park'... I think that's where the whole car park thing started, whether Keane misheard it and thought he was being offered out or just latched onto it I don't know | | | |
| Roy Keane on 17:18 - Nov 28 with 1331 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Roy Keane on 16:57 - Nov 28 by sjg |
It wasn't him that Keane offered out. The bloke that Keane offered out apparently was saying something about him refusing to sign autographs for his kids when he was here as a manager, 'in the car park'... I think that's where the whole car park thing started, whether Keane misheard it and thought he was being offered out or just latched onto it I don't know |
That's not what David Diamond said on Blue Monday, and it was right in front of him. |  |
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| Roy Keane on 17:23 - Nov 28 with 1321 views | sjg |
| Roy Keane on 17:18 - Nov 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's not what David Diamond said on Blue Monday, and it was right in front of him. |
The bloke's Facebook is public, and he has posted his side on there. | | | |
| Roy Keane on 17:39 - Nov 28 with 1290 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Roy Keane on 17:23 - Nov 28 by sjg |
The bloke's Facebook is public, and he has posted his side on there. |
As I said to Frimmers, I take what people say they said on social media with a pinch of salt, personally (especially if I don't know them). But each to their own. [Post edited 28 Nov 2024 17:39]
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| Roy Keane on 17:43 - Nov 28 with 1263 views | sjg |
| Roy Keane on 17:39 - Nov 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
As I said to Frimmers, I take what people say they said on social media with a pinch of salt, personally (especially if I don't know them). But each to their own. [Post edited 28 Nov 2024 17:39]
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I will add the bloke that was standing next to it to the list of people you know more than | | | |
| Roy Keane on 17:51 - Nov 28 with 1225 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Roy Keane on 11:34 - Nov 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Yes. Everyone knows what "meet me outside in the car park" means Glassers. [Post edited 28 Nov 2024 12:44]
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It really isn't threatening violence. It's calling someone out as being all mouth and no trousers. No different than someone on here saying to one of the mouthy posters that "instead of hiding behind anonymity on a message board, would you say the same to my face"?
That's not threatening violence. |  |
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| Roy Keane on 17:54 - Nov 28 with 1219 views | PhilTWTD |
| Roy Keane on 12:29 - Nov 28 by Bluespeed225 |
It was Osman who has regularly made it clear Furguson was ‘old school’, to the point of kicking him in the throat after a tackle landed BF in a puddle during a 5 a side. Yallop seemed to be a favourite target of him. |
Kevin O'Callaghan, Trevor Putney and Tony Kinsella were also among his targets. Seemed to be tough on the Londoners, or those he saw as Londoners. Someone once suggested to me it was because he was given a hard time by lads from London when he was in the army.
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| Roy Keane on 17:54 - Nov 28 with 1214 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Roy Keane on 17:43 - Nov 28 by sjg |
I will add the bloke that was standing next to it to the list of people you know more than |
haha, ok!
I'm quoting a respected podcaster who was stood behind the incident.
You're quoting someone you don't know who's bigged himself up on social media. | |
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| Roy Keane on 17:57 - Nov 28 with 1208 views | sjg |
| Roy Keane on 17:54 - Nov 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
haha, ok!
I'm quoting a respected podcaster who was stood behind the incident.
You're quoting someone you don't know who's bigged himself up on social media. |
It wasn't even him that Keane had a pop at, so you’re clearly not as clued up as you think you are. | | | |
| Roy Keane on 17:58 - Nov 28 with 1201 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Roy Keane on 17:51 - Nov 28 by GlasgowBlue |
It really isn't threatening violence. It's calling someone out as being all mouth and no trousers. No different than someone on here saying to one of the mouthy posters that "instead of hiding behind anonymity on a message board, would you say the same to my face"?
That's not threatening violence. |
It's totally different when it's two people behind keyboards compared to someone literally pointing in your face.
The absolute somersaults people are performing to defend their hero! | |
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| Roy Keane on 18:07 - Nov 28 with 1157 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Roy Keane on 17:58 - Nov 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's totally different when it's two people behind keyboards compared to someone literally pointing in your face.
The absolute somersaults people are performing to defend their hero! |
He's not my hero. He is the 4th worst manager in my lifetime. He was an abysmal failure here.
He didn't threaten violence. | |
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| Roy Keane on 18:37 - Nov 28 with 1108 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Roy Keane on 18:07 - Nov 28 by GlasgowBlue |
He's not my hero. He is the 4th worst manager in my lifetime. He was an abysmal failure here.
He didn't threaten violence. |
Righto.
So say you have a row with someone in a pub and they say, "Alright then, outside, in the car park" you wouldn't take that as a threat of violence? | |
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| Roy Keane on 20:12 - Nov 28 with 1033 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Roy Keane on 18:37 - Nov 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Righto.
So say you have a row with someone in a pub and they say, "Alright then, outside, in the car park" you wouldn't take that as a threat of violence? |
That’s completely different. You have already reached that stage of confrontation. Keane was on the pitch working and a gobsh1te was mouthing off from behind a fence/barrier. Keane is asking “would you say that if it was just the two of us in the car park”? He's calling out somebody who is abusing him from relative safety.
Anyway, we are going around in circles, which is why I tend to avoid these threads with you. [Post edited 28 Nov 2024 21:21]
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| Roy Keane on 20:43 - Nov 28 with 1010 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Roy Keane on 02:00 - Nov 28 by Illinoisblue |
Lambert was worse. |
And Hurst worse still.
But choosing between Keane, Lambert and Hurst is really like choosing whether to be tortured with medieval, modern or futuristic torture devices. |  |
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| Roy Keane on 21:31 - Nov 28 with 973 views | sjg |
| Roy Keane on 20:43 - Nov 28 by Nthsuffolkblue |
And Hurst worse still.
But choosing between Keane, Lambert and Hurst is really like choosing whether to be tortured with medieval, modern or futuristic torture devices. |
Like picking sides in Frimmers and Mr Smile’s argument in this thread | | | |
| Roy Keane on 22:09 - Nov 28 with 956 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Roy Keane on 20:12 - Nov 28 by GlasgowBlue |
That’s completely different. You have already reached that stage of confrontation. Keane was on the pitch working and a gobsh1te was mouthing off from behind a fence/barrier. Keane is asking “would you say that if it was just the two of us in the car park”? He's calling out somebody who is abusing him from relative safety.
Anyway, we are going around in circles, which is why I tend to avoid these threads with you. [Post edited 28 Nov 2024 21:21]
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LOL, you've spent years jumping on threads with me.
You don't half talk some nonsense. | |
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| Roy Keane on 22:48 - Nov 28 with 923 views | J2BLUE |
| Roy Keane on 15:18 - Nov 28 by FrimleyBlue |
I find it hard to put to much blame on Hurst, he was given a job above his level and had lost 44 goals from the side before he got going. He was still useless tho.
Lambert 4 wins in 31 games or something to get relegated, but it was ok as he got players to wave their arms around lol.
Jewell was such a no no no hiring
Keane, was gutted it didnt work as at the time he was the big name manager which we hadn't had before.
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Weren't most of those 44 goals his own fault?
Doing this from memory so some of this might be wrong but I think it's accurate...
His excuse for McGoldrick was that he wasn't on the squad list...must have forgotten he had a tongue in his head to ask. Doubt he would have stayed but he didn't bother to ask.
Waghorn was sacrificed to bring in funds.
Garner decided he wanted out after suffering a pre season with Hurst. |  |
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| Roy Keane on 22:50 - Nov 28 with 920 views | Trequartista |
| Roy Keane on 17:54 - Nov 28 by PhilTWTD |
Kevin O'Callaghan, Trevor Putney and Tony Kinsella were also among his targets. Seemed to be tough on the Londoners, or those he saw as Londoners. Someone once suggested to me it was because he was given a hard time by lads from London when he was in the army.
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Alan Brazil too |  |
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| Roy Keane on 23:44 - Nov 28 with 897 views | Churchman |
| Roy Keane on 15:14 - Nov 28 by itfcjoe |
Worst to best
1 - Lambert
2 - Jewell
3 - Keane
4 - Cook
Hurst just nowhere, as was just so, so bad but if pushed I'd stick him between Lambert and Jewell |
Hurst was in a league of his own for utter cluelessness.
Back to Keane following Magilton’s 9th place finish, according to Wiki he spent £6.65m on Martin, Leadbitter, Edwards and Priskin. He raised in excess of £750k including £350k for that useless waste of space Jordan Rhodes. Huddersfield must have wept with laughter when they sold him two years later for £8m.
We finished 15th. Next season half a season each, 13th. Full season under Jewell 15th, most of the Wickham fee trousered by Evans. He still managed to bring in dross but the diamond amongst it was Cresswell for £240k.
Two years later flogged on the cheap for £3.75m plus add ons, presumably these were a spare tin of paint for the training ground portacabin, a box of matches for the great fire of Playford Road and a Double Cheeseburger happy meal for Marcus.
I still think Keane was the worst after Hurst. Our very identity even was flushed down the pan with ‘Roy Keane’s Ipswich’ before you get to the rubbish football and poor results.
For some, the cult of Keane remains. In Sunderland they’d welcome him in a heartbeat. Two mackem chums of mine would. Oh well, opinions are part of the fun. |  | | |
| Roy Keane on 02:36 - Nov 29 with 842 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Roy Keane on 22:48 - Nov 28 by J2BLUE |
Weren't most of those 44 goals his own fault?
Doing this from memory so some of this might be wrong but I think it's accurate...
His excuse for McGoldrick was that he wasn't on the squad list...must have forgotten he had a tongue in his head to ask. Doubt he would have stayed but he didn't bother to ask.
Waghorn was sacrificed to bring in funds.
Garner decided he wanted out after suffering a pre season with Hurst. |
Don't want to make excuses for Hurst but I seem to remember that Garner wanted out as his wife wanted to be back in the North West.
McG has since said he'd have been open to staying but was never asked. [Post edited 29 Nov 2024 3:38]
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| Roy Keane on 09:11 - Nov 29 with 721 views | Churchman |
| Roy Keane on 02:36 - Nov 29 by StNeotsBlue |
Don't want to make excuses for Hurst but I seem to remember that Garner wanted out as his wife wanted to be back in the North West.
McG has since said he'd have been open to staying but was never asked. [Post edited 29 Nov 2024 3:38]
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£9.75m was raised flogging off our best players, including £3.5m for Webster. What a deal! Not. Ok, it was our saviour Evans flogging off the assets, but what did Hurst bring in? Nsiala and Nolan for £2m, Jackson for £1.6-£2m, Roberts, Edwards, Harrison, Dawkins, Judge, Collins and Donacien. They sound like the cast of Camberwick Green and played like them.
Jackson and Donacien proved to be assets once they got some decent coaching but essentially Hurst brought in L1 players and didn’t know how to construct a team, despite promising Evans the moon on a stick to get the job (according to Lee). Not a scooby do.WasLambert any better? Not much if at all. No Lazarus McCarthy miracles from him.
Conclusion? Hurst was so far out of his depth I’m surprised he didn’t come equipped with a periscope. But all this is bit like deciding whether the plague or Black Death is worse. Seems a lifetime ago, but it’s only five years and after him we had Lambert and Cooks comedy act to endure. | | | |
| Roy Keane on 09:29 - Nov 29 with 712 views | JammyDodgerrr |
How do we have a four page thread based on comments made by someone but nobody has posted what was said? Is there an write up somewhere? |  |
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| Roy Keane on 09:41 - Nov 29 with 694 views | patrickswell |
Take Mick McCarthy out of the equation and we have never seen a longer sequence of poor management at Ipswich Town than we did between April 2009 and December 2021.
Keane and Hurst’s reigns were the most damaging. Keane badly blew the opportunity that Evans’s initial investment offered to us, to the extent that, when mixed with Jewell’s equally poor tenure, we effectively spent the whole of the 2010s on the back foot as a club. Even when McCarthy managed to get us competitive and cohesive again, there was the sense that he was operating with one hand tied behind his back.
Hurst was a necessary gamble in 2018, but if it went wrong then there was a real risk of the whole club collapsing….and it did go wrong, though this was where Evans’s poor stewardship of the club compounded his mistakes.
Lambert was a bluffer, but as time goes on I’ve got a little more sympathetic towards him. Mark Ashton talks of a club that had been broken into a million pieces and Lambert was trying to work in a culture where morale was completely on the floor and mediocrity at every level of the club was set in. He wasn’t good enough to turn that around.
Cook has a part to play in the renaissance we’ve seen given that a number of the key players that he signed have helped us to where we are now. But he too looked like he was blowing the golden ticket, and McKenna’s performance with that same misfiring squad in the second half of 21/22, showed that gelling didn’t need to be the issue that it was made out to be.
My own ranking of the poor managers from best to worst is:
Jewell (simply because of a few memorable results like the doubling of West Ham).
Keane
Lambert
Cook
Hurst
They all sucked though, and I hope that we as a club, never see a repeated sequence of failure like it again. |  | | |
| Roy Keane on 10:51 - Nov 29 with 649 views | Bluefields |
| Roy Keane on 11:47 - Nov 28 by Churchman |
He’s only on tv because the hope is there that he will blow up. Dreadful.
He was an appalling manager too and Flash is right to point out the opportunity he hosed up the wall producing a joke of a team. It wasn’t good and it’s easy to forget that unlike Jewell he inherited a settled team that wasn’t a million miles away.
Yes, he was a top player who won just about anything worth winning in the game. But he was still a coward who would not have survived five minutes in the 70s and as a manager and a pundit, forget it. You might love him, I switch of the sound or tv when he’s pontificating. It’s all opinions. |
He could have played in any era, no question. | | | |
| Roy Keane on 13:29 - Nov 29 with 540 views | Churchman |
| Roy Keane on 10:51 - Nov 29 by Bluefields |
He could have played in any era, no question. |
As a player, yes. He was a fantastic footballer who could have played then or now. But his rather weedy hard man act would have had to go in the 70s or he’d have spent long periods in plaster. | | | |
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