| Need to stay on the same page now 22:48 - Dec 21 with 9920 views | SomethingBlue |
If you'd told me it would be 17 games til our first one-to-90 shellacking I'd have signed up for that. It could have been a lot worse. And I think most of us know both the wider context and the very specific situation in which we entered today.
Those that booed at 3-0 and half-time? Not having you, not after the two years we've had. Much more of that and you'll end up with the club you deserve, it's pretty safe to say that, and the rest of us will be there to judge you heavily for it.
A bad day, the first goal the most annoying for me because we shouldn't be done like that after 20-odd seconds, but if that's as bad as it gets this season we'll be ok. Everyone needs to stick together and have an appreciation of the context. It's got us a long way and will take us further. |  |
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| “Overestimated some people”…. on 10:56 - Dec 22 with 1418 views | FrimleyBlue |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 10:46 - Dec 22 by Bloots |
….thats a tad patronising really.
The (minor) negativity yesterday was just a reaction to an individual poor performance not the season as a whole and definitely not a reflection of the last 3 years.
Pretty understandable and definitely not worth complaining about or questioning people’s support.
It’s a football crowd, not a WI meeting. |
It's actually quite baffling how people saw 15k attendances become 30k In the space lf a few seasons of success and wonder why a vocal minority begin to show frustration. As I said earlier. Many thousands are attending to watch town win at home. We haven't this season. Every football club needs a true cult we have that but every club has football supporters too. Its what keeps clubs driving forwards financially.. lose those sets of fans that's when things take a nose dive.
That's why this going down bouncing up sounds great but comes with risk. |  |
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| “Overestimated some people”…. on 11:22 - Dec 22 with 1376 views | pointofblue |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 10:56 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
It's actually quite baffling how people saw 15k attendances become 30k In the space lf a few seasons of success and wonder why a vocal minority begin to show frustration. As I said earlier. Many thousands are attending to watch town win at home. We haven't this season. Every football club needs a true cult we have that but every club has football supporters too. Its what keeps clubs driving forwards financially.. lose those sets of fans that's when things take a nose dive.
That's why this going down bouncing up sounds great but comes with risk. |
And, in fairness - I know this is wrong - but, even as someone who has been going for the past 20+ years, it's so easy to remember the joy and celebration over the past couple of seasons but harder to remember the mess we were in before that. The post McCarthy to pre McKenna period seems a blur of a different time, even though it was only started six years ago. It's difficult for me to compare what is happening now to then; much easier to compare it to 22/23 and 23/24. Especially the latter as we punched well above our weight then. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 11:23]
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| “Overestimated some people”…. on 11:28 - Dec 22 with 1348 views | FrimleyBlue |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 11:22 - Dec 22 by pointofblue |
And, in fairness - I know this is wrong - but, even as someone who has been going for the past 20+ years, it's so easy to remember the joy and celebration over the past couple of seasons but harder to remember the mess we were in before that. The post McCarthy to pre McKenna period seems a blur of a different time, even though it was only started six years ago. It's difficult for me to compare what is happening now to then; much easier to compare it to 22/23 and 23/24. Especially the latter as we punched well above our weight then. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 11:23]
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Thing is people are thinking its gonna be a breeze coming back up. Why?
You'll still have clubs competing in one of the toughest leagues to get out of. Brum will be in there with their financial gulf. Southampton and maybe wolves or Leicester will there too with their finances.
It's not a given at all that everything will be rosey.
We saw in the champ. If you're not up the top attendances drop | |
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| Need to stay on the same page now on 11:45 - Dec 22 with 1312 views | waveneyblue |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 08:13 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Waveney. We've barely ever had any shared discussions until I and others disagreed with your views on the armband thread. Now all of a sudden you are following me around. Please stop. |
It's hard not to follow you round when you are spouting your rubbish in virtually every thread on here. |  | | |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 11:47 - Dec 22 with 1304 views | pointofblue |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 11:28 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Thing is people are thinking its gonna be a breeze coming back up. Why?
You'll still have clubs competing in one of the toughest leagues to get out of. Brum will be in there with their financial gulf. Southampton and maybe wolves or Leicester will there too with their finances.
It's not a given at all that everything will be rosey.
We saw in the champ. If you're not up the top attendances drop |
I remember that being the argument when we went down in 2001/2002 too. 22 years later... | |
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| Need to stay on the same page now on 11:54 - Dec 22 with 1264 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 11:45 - Dec 22 by waveneyblue |
It's hard not to follow you round when you are spouting your rubbish in virtually every thread on here. |
It's easy to Ignore me waveney. Look I get it. You didn't appreciate being found out on that specific thread but you've chased me round since then, which is really unhealthy.
If you disagree with my comments have the decency to share why. What is it about my reply in this thread you disagree with. I don't condone the booing unless you think they should boo? [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 11:56]
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| “Overestimated some people”…. on 12:09 - Dec 22 with 1251 views | forrestsfringe |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 10:52 - Dec 22 by algy |
33 weeks since a win. The home crowd has been remarkably patient. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 10:56]
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If you’re counting that since May 4, then it’s a slightly skewed time period given the team weren’t playing any competitive games for 3 months. | | | |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 12:23 - Dec 22 with 1197 views | algy |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 12:09 - Dec 22 by forrestsfringe |
If you’re counting that since May 4, then it’s a slightly skewed time period given the team weren’t playing any competitive games for 3 months. |
Same as every year but if you don't like that, it's 18 weeks since the season started. The longest period without a home win since 1939-45. | |
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| “Overestimated some people”…. on 12:25 - Dec 22 with 1183 views | algy |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 12:09 - Dec 22 by forrestsfringe |
If you’re counting that since May 4, then it’s a slightly skewed time period given the team weren’t playing any competitive games for 3 months. |
Not sure how many "competitive" games there's been either. More like participating actuality. | |
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| Need to stay on the same page now on 12:50 - Dec 22 with 1149 views | itfc_statman |
There's a reality. We score 0.9 goals a game. We create 1.8 big chances a game. We concede 4 big chances a game.
I didnt have the same optimism as plenty pre season. My first aim was get more points than the pitiful attempts from those down the road. I'm not sure we will, in fact statistically we almost definitely won't | | | |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 13:09 - Dec 22 with 1095 views | mrfixit426 |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 12:25 - Dec 22 by algy |
Not sure how many "competitive" games there's been either. More like participating actuality. |
I bet that sounded funnier in your head. |  | | |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 13:15 - Dec 22 with 1067 views | algy |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 13:09 - Dec 22 by mrfixit426 |
I bet that sounded funnier in your head. |
Wasn't trying to be funny. Just factual. We participated yesterday, never competitive, from the first minute. | |
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| Need to stay on the same page now on 13:17 - Dec 22 with 1065 views | backwaywhen |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 23:04 - Dec 21 by DublinBlue84 |
I didn't boo, I just didn't really give any reaction as I felt so down about the whole thing, could never boo a team in those circumstances.
What I did see though after the match affected me more, people around who are people who only started coming last year saying they were embarrassed to wear the shirt and consigned it to their bag or suchlike saying they were embarrassed and how they hadn't been for years and won't bother next season if things don't improve. |
And you can guarantee they will not be there for the Bristol Rovers cup game . | | | |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 13:19 - Dec 22 with 1060 views | pointofblue |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 12:25 - Dec 22 by algy |
Not sure how many "competitive" games there's been either. More like participating actuality. |
I'd say every home game bar Everton, Palace and Newcastle. | |
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| Need to stay on the same page now on 13:27 - Dec 22 with 1040 views | Bent_double |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 10:50 - Dec 22 by bluesym |
Agree about the first goal. Lots of criticism being aimed heavily at Muric for the 3rd goal,but it's the 1st goal that I just can't get my head round and ultimately which cost us the game from there on in. That's not down to injuries,lack of options or experience- it was down right poor play. |
It was weird coming on here and seeing all the posts blaming Muric for costing us the game, as though everyone forgot we were already 2-0 down at the point he made a mistake, and not even looking like being competitive.
It's almost like some people on here just hate Muric.
As for Newcastle, they were superb, I don't think one of their players had a bad game yesterday, all on it and executed their gameplan perfectly.
Lets just hope we catch the Arse or Chelsea on a bad day. |  |
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| “Overestimated some people”…. on 15:27 - Dec 22 with 954 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| “Overestimated some people”…. on 13:15 - Dec 22 by algy |
Wasn't trying to be funny. Just factual. We participated yesterday, never competitive, from the first minute. |
There's nothing "factual" about that post. |  |
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| Need to stay on the same page now on 16:08 - Dec 22 with 930 views | Sarge |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 13:27 - Dec 22 by Bent_double |
It was weird coming on here and seeing all the posts blaming Muric for costing us the game, as though everyone forgot we were already 2-0 down at the point he made a mistake, and not even looking like being competitive.
It's almost like some people on here just hate Muric.
As for Newcastle, they were superb, I don't think one of their players had a bad game yesterday, all on it and executed their gameplan perfectly.
Lets just hope we catch the Arse or Chelsea on a bad day. |
Nobody hates Muric, but many people recognise he’s a terrible goalkeeper. He didn’t directly lose us any points yesterday, but he has cost us a lot already this season. | | | |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 09:17 - Dec 23 with 776 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 16:08 - Dec 22 by Sarge |
Nobody hates Muric, but many people recognise he’s a terrible goalkeeper. He didn’t directly lose us any points yesterday, but he has cost us a lot already this season. |
A terrible goalkeeper that is statistically in the top 10 in the division for every worthwhile metric. | | | |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 09:22 - Dec 23 with 769 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 09:17 - Dec 23 by tractorboy1978 |
A terrible goalkeeper that is statistically in the top 10 in the division for every worthwhile metric. |
Really?! I'd love to see those stats. Link please! | |
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| Need to stay on the same page now on 09:40 - Dec 23 with 735 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 09:22 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Really?! I'd love to see those stats. Link please! |
10th best save %.
10th for long range passing accuracy (I include this as it seems to be a criticism of him).
Highest % of crosses taken/stopped (in PL and Europe).
Before Saturday he was 8th in goals expected to concede vs goals conceded too but Newcastle out performed their xG by 1.7 which has pushed him down the table. I will concede that one.
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats [Post edited 23 Dec 2024 9:41]
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| Need to stay on the same page now on 09:43 - Dec 23 with 725 views | itfc_statman |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 09:40 - Dec 23 by tractorboy1978 |
10th best save %.
10th for long range passing accuracy (I include this as it seems to be a criticism of him).
Highest % of crosses taken/stopped (in PL and Europe).
Before Saturday he was 8th in goals expected to concede vs goals conceded too but Newcastle out performed their xG by 1.7 which has pushed him down the table. I will concede that one.
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats [Post edited 23 Dec 2024 9:41]
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Yep. He had actually saved us more than he'd cost us going by xG metric up until Saturday.
It alarms me that people worry about the goalkeeper when we're conceding 6 big chances a game. It's irrelevant who the goalkeeper is - continue as we are and we'll be relegated with less than 20 points. | | | |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 09:57 - Dec 23 with 675 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 09:40 - Dec 23 by tractorboy1978 |
10th best save %.
10th for long range passing accuracy (I include this as it seems to be a criticism of him).
Highest % of crosses taken/stopped (in PL and Europe).
Before Saturday he was 8th in goals expected to concede vs goals conceded too but Newcastle out performed their xG by 1.7 which has pushed him down the table. I will concede that one.
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats [Post edited 23 Dec 2024 9:41]
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He's ranked 19th there. I suppose you're removing some stats you don't think are relevant to get him up to top 10?
No-one's disputed his crosses taken... he's fantastic at that. But he does seem to have at least one brain-fart every game. | |
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| Need to stay on the same page now on 10:01 - Dec 23 with 648 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 09:43 - Dec 23 by itfc_statman |
Yep. He had actually saved us more than he'd cost us going by xG metric up until Saturday.
It alarms me that people worry about the goalkeeper when we're conceding 6 big chances a game. It's irrelevant who the goalkeeper is - continue as we are and we'll be relegated with less than 20 points. |
You can look at both - the goalkeeper and the big chances conceded - surely?!
The problem with keeper errors is they invariably lead to goals. It's no good being great at some things if you then go and gift the opposition a goal/chance simply through a bad decision. I'm not saying drop him for Walton but it's clear he makes a lot of bad decisions - more than we're used to seeing from keepers - and I'm sure the coaching team must be working with him to lessen those. | |
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| Need to stay on the same page now on 10:06 - Dec 23 with 633 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 09:57 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
He's ranked 19th there. I suppose you're removing some stats you don't think are relevant to get him up to top 10?
No-one's disputed his crosses taken... he's fantastic at that. But he does seem to have at least one brain-fart every game. |
As far as I am concerned, save %, performance vs xG, taking crosses are the big 3. Before Saturday he was top 10 for all 3 of those and he is still top 10 for two of them.
His weakness is he has the odd brain fart. But even then, what points have they cost us really? Bournemouth (either 1 or 3 depending on your opinion of whether we concede the winner without conceding the first one) and 1 point at Brentford. I'd argue he's saved us as many as cost us. Before Saturday we had conceded only 8 goals in 7 games.
I don't think he's an amazing keeper but he's performing well in some areas and about par in others. He's become an easy target when the bigger problem is we are creating nowhere near enough big chances. You aren't going to win games in the PL (or even draw them) if you are regularly having xG of less than 1. | | | |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 10:14 - Dec 23 with 603 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Need to stay on the same page now on 10:06 - Dec 23 by tractorboy1978 |
As far as I am concerned, save %, performance vs xG, taking crosses are the big 3. Before Saturday he was top 10 for all 3 of those and he is still top 10 for two of them.
His weakness is he has the odd brain fart. But even then, what points have they cost us really? Bournemouth (either 1 or 3 depending on your opinion of whether we concede the winner without conceding the first one) and 1 point at Brentford. I'd argue he's saved us as many as cost us. Before Saturday we had conceded only 8 goals in 7 games.
I don't think he's an amazing keeper but he's performing well in some areas and about par in others. He's become an easy target when the bigger problem is we are creating nowhere near enough big chances. You aren't going to win games in the PL (or even draw them) if you are regularly having xG of less than 1. |
I tend to agree. I'm not one of those putting all the blame on Muric... it just would help if he could make less rash decisions. It's not just one or two... it's one or two every game. Keepers normally have ice cold blood... but then he is only 26, which is fairly young still for a keeper.
But yes, we do need to create more if we're going to survive. | |
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