| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include 23:36 - Dec 21 with 7835 views | Ryorry |
Being casual, complacent and switched off when passing out from the back, and the team-mate you’re passing to has a man right on his shoulder in your area.
(Only just seen on MotD; addressed of course to those who defended Muric by saying he was only following KM’s instructions). |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 23:39 - Dec 21 with 4723 views | Bluecasp |
It was a dreadful decision by Muric and hard to see who Cajuste was supposed to play the ball to. |  | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 00:03 - Dec 22 with 4639 views | FrimleyBlue |
If you haven't watched the game yet ryorry please do.
Muric played the same ball to morsy and cajuste 100 times that half. Each time they passed it one touch to another town player with a Newcastle player up their backside.
The difference in that specific moment was cajuste asked for it. He got it but rather than quick pass it off he tried to turn his man inside our box. That's on cajuste.
"I think the particular action we’ve done time and time again this season and time and time again last season and we’re actually one of the teams who have conceded the fewest from building up, we’ve been good with it. |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 00:07 - Dec 22 with 4627 views | DublinBlue84 |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 00:03 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
If you haven't watched the game yet ryorry please do.
Muric played the same ball to morsy and cajuste 100 times that half. Each time they passed it one touch to another town player with a Newcastle player up their backside.
The difference in that specific moment was cajuste asked for it. He got it but rather than quick pass it off he tried to turn his man inside our box. That's on cajuste.
"I think the particular action we’ve done time and time again this season and time and time again last season and we’re actually one of the teams who have conceded the fewest from building up, we’ve been good with it. |
No, the difference at that moment was that Cajuste had a man tight as hell on him and Muric watched the guy close Cajuste down and STILL passed it.
The other times the Town player had nobody near as taught on them.
Cajuste may well have asked for it but Muric could see everything ahead of him and was in a far better place than Cajuste to decide what to do, yet he chose wrong. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 00:10 - Dec 22 with 4592 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 00:07 - Dec 22 by DublinBlue84 |
No, the difference at that moment was that Cajuste had a man tight as hell on him and Muric watched the guy close Cajuste down and STILL passed it.
The other times the Town player had nobody near as taught on them.
Cajuste may well have asked for it but Muric could see everything ahead of him and was in a far better place than Cajuste to decide what to do, yet he chose wrong. |
Yes they did. There was one where the Newcastle player actually nearly got his foot to it just as morsy managed to get his on to it to get the ball back to muric. So many occasions in that first half that hospital ball was played. Its what we do.
I don't know why many are keen to put it on muric when he's done whats been asked of him all season. Which he did all game spot on. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 07:31 - Dec 22 with 4385 views | bsw72 |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 00:07 - Dec 22 by DublinBlue84 |
No, the difference at that moment was that Cajuste had a man tight as hell on him and Muric watched the guy close Cajuste down and STILL passed it.
The other times the Town player had nobody near as taught on them.
Cajuste may well have asked for it but Muric could see everything ahead of him and was in a far better place than Cajuste to decide what to do, yet he chose wrong. |
Muric did the same pass on at least 6 occasions yesterday, to either Morsy or Cajuste when they had a man close on them. It seemed a deliberate approach to draw one of the Newcastle midfielders out of position but relies on Morsy/Cajuste to be able to pass the ball quickly and move.
It went wrong for the 3rd goal, but I don’t see that being on Muric when it appears to have been an agreed approach. |  | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 07:55 - Dec 22 with 4334 views | textbackup |
After 5mins newcastles press was obvious (and obviously very impressive) so leads me to wonder why the instruction doesn’t change a bit? |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:13 - Dec 22 with 4274 views | Chrisd |
Once the players cross that white line, that’s on them. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:26 - Dec 22 with 4236 views | TractorWood |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 07:55 - Dec 22 by textbackup |
After 5mins newcastles press was obvious (and obviously very impressive) so leads me to wonder why the instruction doesn’t change a bit? |
I love McK but he's defo guilty of just sticking to plan A. This worked unbelievably well for the last 2 years.
However, the plan just looked obviously wrong after 20 minutes. The physical mismatch was too obvious. The tactical changes were too slow and subs at 3-0 down to a much better side in this league are futile. Our players wanted the final whistle not the half time whistle. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 8:39]
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:37 - Dec 22 with 4190 views | bazza |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 07:55 - Dec 22 by textbackup |
After 5mins newcastles press was obvious (and obviously very impressive) so leads me to wonder why the instruction doesn’t change a bit? |
Does feel a bit like plan B is stick to plan A.. |  | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:55 - Dec 22 with 4096 views | Churchman |
It’s not about being casual in my view. It’s about not having the ability, pace and confidence to move the ball quickly. It’s all relative. Against say Millwall you can vary it, move the ball quickly by Championship standards and so we did.
That’s snail pace compared to the better Premier League teams. Think Leeds at home start of last season who for a period tore us apart. Well Newcastle did that a lot better, faster and throughout until the game was over. We were literally overrun. Add in some comedy errors, players off form and that was that.
Everything about them was stronger. To match a team like Newcastle when it plays well, you need better quality players than we have or possibly play a different way with different players - big units playing hoofball Wimbledon, Luton style? I’m probably an idiot, but I’d rather see us trying to play the game properly.
However I don’t disagree about a lack of plan B or lack of flexibility. There was a sense of inevitability after 26 seconds! Hopefully KM will look at that. Would it have been better with some of our injured players plus Delap available? Yes. Hirst, a fit Phillips, Ogbene, Tuanzebe (god we’ve missed him). Two of those are proper PL players and Delap is proving the same.
But we’d still have got well beaten. |  | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 13:17 - Dec 22 with 3934 views | Ryorry |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 00:10 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes they did. There was one where the Newcastle player actually nearly got his foot to it just as morsy managed to get his on to it to get the ball back to muric. So many occasions in that first half that hospital ball was played. Its what we do.
I don't know why many are keen to put it on muric when he's done whats been asked of him all season. Which he did all game spot on. |
" ... he's done whats been asked of him all season. Which he did all game spot on."
Seriously? 😂
Don't think KM asked him to gift the Magpies an easy goal. If the players on the pitch don't have working brains to make decisions according to live in-play situations, we might as well play subbuteo. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 13:29 - Dec 22 with 3896 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 13:17 - Dec 22 by Ryorry |
" ... he's done whats been asked of him all season. Which he did all game spot on."
Seriously? 😂
Don't think KM asked him to gift the Magpies an easy goal. If the players on the pitch don't have working brains to make decisions according to live in-play situations, we might as well play subbuteo. |
Yes seriously. He made the same pass all game. Cajuste messed it up. Its not on muric. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 13:58 - Dec 22 with 3849 views | OldFart71 |
Sometimes you have to play according to what you have available. Trying to do exactly the same thing with different players doesn't work. It boils down to their ability. You can coach a team to be set up in a certain way but it still boils down to each players ability to carry out what you are asking them to do. Truthfully neither of our goalkeepers are really comfortable playing out from the back. Without Delap or Hirst up front you have no players to hold the ball up. Therefore the way we play has to be different without them. If we bring in another forward in January he can be the greatest goalscorer of all time, but without a midfield able to supply the ammo we would be no better. As I see it we need players in all positions. Defence, midfield and attack. Not only to supplement what we have, but to be able to take those places from existing players. Whether that happens will I suspect depend on whether we are too far adrift by January to make it worthwhile to try and stay in the Premier League or whether to start making plans to get out of the Championship next season dependant on who goes and who stays. | | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 14:29 - Dec 22 with 3780 views | PhilTWTD |
Not sure Cajuste had a player any closer to him than is often the case when we pass out like that, usually to Morsy, you're rarely going to receive the ball without an opposition player pressing from behind. Think the issue was more allowing the challenge to be made rather than moving it wide. |  | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 15:26 - Dec 22 with 3670 views | BlueBoots |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 14:29 - Dec 22 by PhilTWTD |
Not sure Cajuste had a player any closer to him than is often the case when we pass out like that, usually to Morsy, you're rarely going to receive the ball without an opposition player pressing from behind. Think the issue was more allowing the challenge to be made rather than moving it wide. |
Exactly this - Morsy receives that type of pass in that area constantly; difference being that 99 times out of 100 he will shrug off any challenge and lay the ball off (can't remember which game, but I recall once last season when he got caught on the ball too long, and it led to a goal)
The player challenging Cajuste did enough to knock him off balance without actually fouling him (or it being given as a foul), so he couldn't get the ball under control properly; just one example of how their high press was far more effective than ours yesterday, and they got a reward from it.
The big issue is whether we should still play that type of ball going into injury time, in a half where we've been on the ropes...Muric puts a boot through it and it ends up in their half instead, we go in at 0-2 and a chance to try to salvage something from the game. |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 15:29 - Dec 22 with 3649 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 15:26 - Dec 22 by BlueBoots |
Exactly this - Morsy receives that type of pass in that area constantly; difference being that 99 times out of 100 he will shrug off any challenge and lay the ball off (can't remember which game, but I recall once last season when he got caught on the ball too long, and it led to a goal)
The player challenging Cajuste did enough to knock him off balance without actually fouling him (or it being given as a foul), so he couldn't get the ball under control properly; just one example of how their high press was far more effective than ours yesterday, and they got a reward from it.
The big issue is whether we should still play that type of ball going into injury time, in a half where we've been on the ropes...Muric puts a boot through it and it ends up in their half instead, we go in at 0-2 and a chance to try to salvage something from the game. |
Thing is. Cajust passes that first time and we have the ball in our half going into HT.
He hoofs it aimlessly to no one who can head the ball and they get it inside our half and score is that then murics fault for not sticking to the plan. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 19:13 - Dec 22 with 3542 views | skinnybob72 |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 00:07 - Dec 22 by DublinBlue84 |
No, the difference at that moment was that Cajuste had a man tight as hell on him and Muric watched the guy close Cajuste down and STILL passed it.
The other times the Town player had nobody near as taught on them.
Cajuste may well have asked for it but Muric could see everything ahead of him and was in a far better place than Cajuste to decide what to do, yet he chose wrong. |
We needed to get in at HT at 0-2 and hope KM could make some change to get us back in the game - that daft 3rd goal killed it stone dead. A punt down the park would likely have got us to HT. | | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 20:05 - Dec 22 with 3483 views | bazza |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 14:29 - Dec 22 by PhilTWTD |
Not sure Cajuste had a player any closer to him than is often the case when we pass out like that, usually to Morsy, you're rarely going to receive the ball without an opposition player pressing from behind. Think the issue was more allowing the challenge to be made rather than moving it wide. |
To be fair, only muric could see the Newcastle Player steaming in behind when he made the pass.. he should have stuck his foot Through it so close to half time , or out wide. 100% poor Judgement by him, regardless of what you’re being told, you’ve got to be making your own decisions in situations like that. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 20:05]
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 21:24 - Dec 22 with 3375 views | BlueForYou |
"He made the same pass all game"
Perhaps that is where we go wrong, repeatedly doing the same things makes it easy for the opposition. Vary it a bit, keep them guessing? |  | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 21:31 - Dec 22 with 3360 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 20:05 - Dec 22 by bazza |
To be fair, only muric could see the Newcastle Player steaming in behind when he made the pass.. he should have stuck his foot Through it so close to half time , or out wide. 100% poor Judgement by him, regardless of what you’re being told, you’ve got to be making your own decisions in situations like that. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 20:05]
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Only muric could see it?
It had happend for 44 minutes. And cajuste also saw the player behind himself yet still asked for the ball and also slowed down to set himself to turn the Newcastle player leading to losing the ball.
Why is everyone keen to blame the keeper?
Remember i absolutely love cajuste and I've been critical of muric in the past.. but this is not on him. None at all.
If fans continue to berate the keeper for doing what he's asked to do it leads to him doing the opposite which upsets what the manager wants. So you either support it or you don't and your gripe is with KM for wanting it. You can't have it bothways. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 21:49 - Dec 22 with 3327 views | FrimleyBlue |
Can't tweet the video link as it contains a naughty word lol.
But no one has mentioned this morsy pass. Because it didn't lead to a goal although it should be been. Or because morsy is allowed to do the same bad pass many times a game and it's OK because hes not muric who made in your opinions 1 bad pass
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 22:13 - Dec 22 with 3256 views | NeedhamChris |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 14:29 - Dec 22 by PhilTWTD |
Not sure Cajuste had a player any closer to him than is often the case when we pass out like that, usually to Morsy, you're rarely going to receive the ball without an opposition player pressing from behind. Think the issue was more allowing the challenge to be made rather than moving it wide. |
Exactly this (even if Frimmers has been getting grief for saying the same thing)
Those criticising this pass in isolation are effectively ignoring that it's how we play. Issue here is that unfortunately Cajuste didn't deal with it as he should have. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 22:16 - Dec 22 with 3248 views | ITFCBlues |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:26 - Dec 22 by TractorWood |
I love McK but he's defo guilty of just sticking to plan A. This worked unbelievably well for the last 2 years.
However, the plan just looked obviously wrong after 20 minutes. The physical mismatch was too obvious. The tactical changes were too slow and subs at 3-0 down to a much better side in this league are futile. Our players wanted the final whistle not the half time whistle. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 8:39]
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So what exactly was plan B yesterday? Was it to launch long balls to Szmodics? He was complaining to Muric not to do that earlier in the game as he had a complete physical miss match against their much bigger players. |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 22:18 - Dec 22 with 3229 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 22:13 - Dec 22 by NeedhamChris |
Exactly this (even if Frimmers has been getting grief for saying the same thing)
Those criticising this pass in isolation are effectively ignoring that it's how we play. Issue here is that unfortunately Cajuste didn't deal with it as he should have. |
I don't feel I've had grief specifically in this one mate. I just think people have fallen into the frimmers burns trap last season where you subconsciously ignore reasoning and just find blame on a player you don't rate.
All the evidence is there to back up that Muric did the right thing, yet they all ignore it because they don't rate him. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 22:20 - Dec 22 with 3184 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 22:16 - Dec 22 by ITFCBlues |
So what exactly was plan B yesterday? Was it to launch long balls to Szmodics? He was complaining to Muric not to do that earlier in the game as he had a complete physical miss match against their much bigger players. |
Having watched it back. There was alot of miscommunication between the two.
Don't forget muric has been playing with delap. If he's not chipped it wide he'd play it in deep for delap to come onto. Sammy wasn't timing his runs well and many times ran too deep to halfway and muric had gone beyond him. That's a pre game training issue... | |
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