| Muric vs Walton 23:40 - Jan 16 with 5457 views | kizaitfc |
If that was Muric in goal tonight he would have been slated.
I think we have a huge issue in goal, the biggest failure was not spending a good £15-£20m on a solid keeper.
We lost one of our players of the season in Hladky and replaced him with a keeper that was completely unproven and was a massive risk.
For all the good things Ashton and McKenna have done this ahs to go down as a mistake in the summer. But my concern is they don't want to accept the error and look to sign another keeper, I honestly think a decent keeper could be the difference in survival in the prem and relegation |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 23:47 - Jan 16 with 3906 views | Garv |
Bit harsh on Walton in my view.
He passed out for a corner when we were hopelessly trying, as a team, to play out the back while 2-0 down with no real hope of getting anywhere, and he made one bad pass in the first half in a similar situation. Brighton pressed well.
He's still more decisive than Muric, generally he knows when he can play and when he can't.
I guess you have a point with the overall comment though, Muric hasn't been a success. |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 23:50 - Jan 16 with 3856 views | kizaitfc |
| Muric vs Walton on 23:47 - Jan 16 by Garv |
Bit harsh on Walton in my view.
He passed out for a corner when we were hopelessly trying, as a team, to play out the back while 2-0 down with no real hope of getting anywhere, and he made one bad pass in the first half in a similar situation. Brighton pressed well.
He's still more decisive than Muric, generally he knows when he can play and when he can't.
I guess you have a point with the overall comment though, Muric hasn't been a success. |
I agree Walton wasn't awful but I think if you break down most of Muric's performances you'd find the same.
I think if you told any Ipswich fan at the start of the season we would have Walton as our no.1 most fans would not be happy with that. But here we are, if we have money to spend and we appear to be looking at another striker I think I may be tempted to spend that on a keeper and rely on Delap and Hirst up top | |
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| Muric vs Walton on 23:51 - Jan 16 with 3844 views | bsw72 |
You mean like Ramsdale at Southampton? |  | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 23:53 - Jan 16 with 3825 views | kizaitfc |
| Muric vs Walton on 23:51 - Jan 16 by bsw72 |
You mean like Ramsdale at Southampton? |
I think Southampton have bigger issues then their keeper | |
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| Muric vs Walton on 00:00 - Jan 17 with 3774 views | Garv |
| Muric vs Walton on 23:50 - Jan 16 by kizaitfc |
I agree Walton wasn't awful but I think if you break down most of Muric's performances you'd find the same.
I think if you told any Ipswich fan at the start of the season we would have Walton as our no.1 most fans would not be happy with that. But here we are, if we have money to spend and we appear to be looking at another striker I think I may be tempted to spend that on a keeper and rely on Delap and Hirst up top |
On the whole I agree with your first paragraph. Muric wasn't performing terribly, but I'd say he wasn't inspiring confidence.
Can't agree with the second point, we need another option up top! Also not really disappointed to be seeing Walton play, I'm glad he didn't (presumably) push for a move in the summer as he might have, he's a good quality keeper. Hladky playing so well last season didn't do Walton any favours. | |
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| Muric vs Walton on 00:00 - Jan 17 with 3766 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Muric vs Walton on 23:47 - Jan 16 by Garv |
Bit harsh on Walton in my view.
He passed out for a corner when we were hopelessly trying, as a team, to play out the back while 2-0 down with no real hope of getting anywhere, and he made one bad pass in the first half in a similar situation. Brighton pressed well.
He's still more decisive than Muric, generally he knows when he can play and when he can't.
I guess you have a point with the overall comment though, Muric hasn't been a success. |
He flapped at a handful of corners as well. Passed a ball out for a corner, sold Cajuste short with a poor pass in the first half, his distribution was generally crap and I thought both goals were quite soft (although not seen them back). It’s an unpopular opinion but for all Muric’s faults I think he’s a better keeper than Walton and commands his box very well. |  | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 00:02 - Jan 17 with 3744 views | stonojnr |
| Muric vs Walton on 23:47 - Jan 16 by Garv |
Bit harsh on Walton in my view.
He passed out for a corner when we were hopelessly trying, as a team, to play out the back while 2-0 down with no real hope of getting anywhere, and he made one bad pass in the first half in a similar situation. Brighton pressed well.
He's still more decisive than Muric, generally he knows when he can play and when he can't.
I guess you have a point with the overall comment though, Muric hasn't been a success. |
the point he is making is the reactions to Muric in previous games were a bit harsh, not Walton tonight.
if you can genuinely say hand on heart had Muric put in that performance, let in that first goal, sorry but Walton should have saved that, kicked a clearance out for a corner and any number of times when he passed the ball in to trouble, and said to anyone criticising Muric by saying well thats a bit harsh too, well I doff my cap to you sir.
however I suspect there would be a 10 pager by now demanding Muric was sent to purgatory for such a performance.
and the point isnt that everyone should be blaming Walton either and doing the same, the point is actually all of our players need support, even the newly signed ones, and theyre all allowed to make mistakes and we still support them, because thats what fans should do, support the team. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 06:57 - Jan 17 with 3354 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Muric vs Walton on 00:02 - Jan 17 by stonojnr |
the point he is making is the reactions to Muric in previous games were a bit harsh, not Walton tonight.
if you can genuinely say hand on heart had Muric put in that performance, let in that first goal, sorry but Walton should have saved that, kicked a clearance out for a corner and any number of times when he passed the ball in to trouble, and said to anyone criticising Muric by saying well thats a bit harsh too, well I doff my cap to you sir.
however I suspect there would be a 10 pager by now demanding Muric was sent to purgatory for such a performance.
and the point isnt that everyone should be blaming Walton either and doing the same, the point is actually all of our players need support, even the newly signed ones, and theyre all allowed to make mistakes and we still support them, because thats what fans should do, support the team. |
I’m pretty certain if Muric dropped that same performance as Walton last night people would’ve been trying to get on the pitch to get at him. |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 07:11 - Jan 17 with 3280 views | nrb1985 |
| Muric vs Walton on 06:57 - Jan 17 by Kieran_Knows |
I’m pretty certain if Muric dropped that same performance as Walton last night people would’ve been trying to get on the pitch to get at him. |
Probably, because Muric makes those mistakes every other week...
I don't even think it was a mistake from Walton. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 07:13 - Jan 17 with 3273 views | ibbleobble |
Walton made one mistake last night. If Muric had made it eighty would have received criticism because it would have been his 20th game making similar mistakes although would have been given dispensation after being clattered as should Walton.
What exactly did Walton do wrong last night other than that pass for a corner? | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 07:45 - Jan 17 with 3136 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Muric vs Walton on 07:13 - Jan 17 by ibbleobble |
Walton made one mistake last night. If Muric had made it eighty would have received criticism because it would have been his 20th game making similar mistakes although would have been given dispensation after being clattered as should Walton.
What exactly did Walton do wrong last night other than that pass for a corner? |
The first goal is abysmal goalkeeping. Don’t even try and pretend you wouldn’t be all over Muric for letting that in.
He flapped at a few corners as well. And people have criticised Muric’s distribution but Walton was poor in this respect last night. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 08:10 - Jan 17 with 3054 views | Esseeja |
| Muric vs Walton on 07:13 - Jan 17 by ibbleobble |
Walton made one mistake last night. If Muric had made it eighty would have received criticism because it would have been his 20th game making similar mistakes although would have been given dispensation after being clattered as should Walton.
What exactly did Walton do wrong last night other than that pass for a corner? |
The pass in the first half that almost led to the goal, the goalkeeping for the first goal where he lets the ball travel underneath his body - regardless of the deflection, the corner he gave away cheaply in the second half, his long kicks going straight back to the opposition because he isn't good enough with his feet under serious pressure, which forced him to go long, straight back to their defenders, that was the most frustrating part of his game yesterday.
However, I believe in the both of them.
in my opinion, the goalkeeper is the worst position to play in the Premier League because of the amount of pressure you are put under for making simple mistakes that you may be able to get away with if you played anywhere else on the pitch, but it doesn't mean I can't question some things. Muric rushing out for Bournemouth's first was dodgy to me as it was for many, but I also feel it was dodgy for Walton to concede the first goal. It doesn't mean I've given up on either of them. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 08:21 - Jan 17 with 3001 views | ibbleobble |
| Muric vs Walton on 08:10 - Jan 17 by Esseeja |
The pass in the first half that almost led to the goal, the goalkeeping for the first goal where he lets the ball travel underneath his body - regardless of the deflection, the corner he gave away cheaply in the second half, his long kicks going straight back to the opposition because he isn't good enough with his feet under serious pressure, which forced him to go long, straight back to their defenders, that was the most frustrating part of his game yesterday.
However, I believe in the both of them.
in my opinion, the goalkeeper is the worst position to play in the Premier League because of the amount of pressure you are put under for making simple mistakes that you may be able to get away with if you played anywhere else on the pitch, but it doesn't mean I can't question some things. Muric rushing out for Bournemouth's first was dodgy to me as it was for many, but I also feel it was dodgy for Walton to concede the first goal. It doesn't mean I've given up on either of them. |
A deflection that low down is pretty difficult to save especially when he’s already in the way down - no chance he can alter the course of his dive then. No blame at Walton’s door for that.
Regarding the kicks, some were a little short of Delap but there was clear instruction for a spell to get it into that area and fight for the second ball.
I don’t recall the pass in the first half but the corner incident was really poor
All in, I felt he did OK. He looked very comfortable all game until after the collision. Commanded his box well in the first half and pulled off an excellent stop in the second half. Not his best performance since coming back but we’ve taken 4pts from the 3 games he’s played. I felt he was let down several times by Greaves last night. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 08:26 - Jan 17 with 2970 views | braveblue |
| Muric vs Walton on 08:21 - Jan 17 by ibbleobble |
A deflection that low down is pretty difficult to save especially when he’s already in the way down - no chance he can alter the course of his dive then. No blame at Walton’s door for that.
Regarding the kicks, some were a little short of Delap but there was clear instruction for a spell to get it into that area and fight for the second ball.
I don’t recall the pass in the first half but the corner incident was really poor
All in, I felt he did OK. He looked very comfortable all game until after the collision. Commanded his box well in the first half and pulled off an excellent stop in the second half. Not his best performance since coming back but we’ve taken 4pts from the 3 games he’s played. I felt he was let down several times by Greaves last night. |
If that was ok I would hate to see bad!! When did Greaves let him down? | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 08:40 - Jan 17 with 2907 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Muric vs Walton on 08:21 - Jan 17 by ibbleobble |
A deflection that low down is pretty difficult to save especially when he’s already in the way down - no chance he can alter the course of his dive then. No blame at Walton’s door for that.
Regarding the kicks, some were a little short of Delap but there was clear instruction for a spell to get it into that area and fight for the second ball.
I don’t recall the pass in the first half but the corner incident was really poor
All in, I felt he did OK. He looked very comfortable all game until after the collision. Commanded his box well in the first half and pulled off an excellent stop in the second half. Not his best performance since coming back but we’ve taken 4pts from the 3 games he’s played. I felt he was let down several times by Greaves last night. |
Disagree. It was a very small deflection and the ball barely deviated. He has to save that. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:08 - Jan 17 with 2800 views | itfcjoe |
Walton was very shaky when asked to pass out from the back, even in the previous games he's passed one straight to an attacker and dropped way too many balls just into no-mans land around half way.
I know Muric has pumped too many out of play, but that's better than giving the ball to them as at least allows us to reset.
I thought the goal goes through him, and at set pieces he was bullied in a way Muric hasn't been all season and makes you worry how Hladky would have looked! 3-4 corners in second half Walton gets absolutely nowhere near them.
I get and understand why Muric has his critics, but I think his all round game is that of a PL keeper, when he isn't having brain farts. For me Walton just isn't that level all round.
2 options for me, we either need to go back to Muric and persist, or go into the market, possibly the loan one, and find a way of bringing in a top class keeper |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 09:09 - Jan 17 with 2777 views | radiogaga |
I get what you’re saying, the crowd always piled on Muric very easily. Referring to last night though, harsh to criticise him. Greaves and Woolfenden were out of sorts in the second half, Greaves caught for the first but nobody else read the danger until it was too late, the free kick Brighton won for the second was so cheap as Woolfy allowed Rutter onto a lost cause he should never have been able to pick up. |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 09:11 - Jan 17 with 2757 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:08 - Jan 17 by itfcjoe |
Walton was very shaky when asked to pass out from the back, even in the previous games he's passed one straight to an attacker and dropped way too many balls just into no-mans land around half way.
I know Muric has pumped too many out of play, but that's better than giving the ball to them as at least allows us to reset.
I thought the goal goes through him, and at set pieces he was bullied in a way Muric hasn't been all season and makes you worry how Hladky would have looked! 3-4 corners in second half Walton gets absolutely nowhere near them.
I get and understand why Muric has his critics, but I think his all round game is that of a PL keeper, when he isn't having brain farts. For me Walton just isn't that level all round.
2 options for me, we either need to go back to Muric and persist, or go into the market, possibly the loan one, and find a way of bringing in a top class keeper |
Imo go back to Muric, BUT don't play the ball across the back.
Simplify his game so he doesn't feel like he HAS to pass short to the dropped cms everytime.
OR let him do that and fans understand that occasionally it can lead to an error just like outfield players who probably miss pass a ball 100 times more than muric would in a game. |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 09:19 - Jan 17 with 2690 views | ibbleobble |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:08 - Jan 17 by itfcjoe |
Walton was very shaky when asked to pass out from the back, even in the previous games he's passed one straight to an attacker and dropped way too many balls just into no-mans land around half way.
I know Muric has pumped too many out of play, but that's better than giving the ball to them as at least allows us to reset.
I thought the goal goes through him, and at set pieces he was bullied in a way Muric hasn't been all season and makes you worry how Hladky would have looked! 3-4 corners in second half Walton gets absolutely nowhere near them.
I get and understand why Muric has his critics, but I think his all round game is that of a PL keeper, when he isn't having brain farts. For me Walton just isn't that level all round.
2 options for me, we either need to go back to Muric and persist, or go into the market, possibly the loan one, and find a way of bringing in a top class keeper |
Bottom line is goals come from Muric’s mistakes, not Walton’s. That is all. Walton in until May then we have another look. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:23 - Jan 17 with 2649 views | Horsham |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:19 - Jan 17 by ibbleobble |
Bottom line is goals come from Muric’s mistakes, not Walton’s. That is all. Walton in until May then we have another look. |
It’s not the bottom line. Unless we have a perfect goalkeeper then goals will come from mistakes. Seems like everyone thinks it’s a simple job. It isn’t. Stuff like how at times Muric has commanded the box is hard - exemplified by hard Walton found it. Neither are bad keepers, neither are perfect. |  | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:23 - Jan 17 with 2640 views | reuserfivethree |
there's a clear flick off davis for the 1st goal, otherwise walton has it covered. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:26 - Jan 17 with 2604 views | itfcjoe |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:19 - Jan 17 by ibbleobble |
Bottom line is goals come from Muric’s mistakes, not Walton’s. That is all. Walton in until May then we have another look. |
Doesn't sound a great process to judge it solely on outcomes | |
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| Muric vs Walton on 09:27 - Jan 17 with 2598 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
This thread is a perfect example of some people having it in for Muric.
Walton was not as solid tonight as he'd been in other recent games. But some people will gloss over last night's performance to support their agenda with Muric.
Muric had similar shaky moments at times, but also had some solid performances.
Both are good keepers; both have weaknesses and mistakes in them. As do most keepers... | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:28 - Jan 17 with 2587 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:27 - Jan 17 by SuffolkPunchFC |
This thread is a perfect example of some people having it in for Muric.
Walton was not as solid tonight as he'd been in other recent games. But some people will gloss over last night's performance to support their agenda with Muric.
Muric had similar shaky moments at times, but also had some solid performances.
Both are good keepers; both have weaknesses and mistakes in them. As do most keepers... |
Ye4H BuT MuR1c CaNt KiCk.
Or something like that. | |
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| Muric vs Walton on 09:29 - Jan 17 with 2561 views | DanTheMan |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:28 - Jan 17 by Kieran_Knows |
Ye4H BuT MuR1c CaNt KiCk.
Or something like that. |
I've been a bit of a critic of Muric but his distribution is pretty damn good (ignoring the brain fart moments).
If he sorts that bit of his game out, he's more than good enough. |  |
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