| Muric vs Walton 23:40 - Jan 16 with 5458 views | kizaitfc |
If that was Muric in goal tonight he would have been slated.
I think we have a huge issue in goal, the biggest failure was not spending a good £15-£20m on a solid keeper.
We lost one of our players of the season in Hladky and replaced him with a keeper that was completely unproven and was a massive risk.
For all the good things Ashton and McKenna have done this ahs to go down as a mistake in the summer. But my concern is they don't want to accept the error and look to sign another keeper, I honestly think a decent keeper could be the difference in survival in the prem and relegation |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 09:32 - Jan 17 with 1097 views | blueasfook |
Muric was supposed to be our keeper for the premier league. Walton had been displaced by Hladky. But agree, a strange choice given his limited experience with relegated Burnley and now dropped for Walton! Its a sh1tshow for sure. |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 09:32 - Jan 17 with 1092 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:19 - Jan 17 by ibbleobble |
Bottom line is goals come from Muric’s mistakes, not Walton’s. That is all. Walton in until May then we have another look. |
A lot of that is down to luck / unluck. Did the opposition make the best of the mistake?
I'll need to watch back the game, but at the game last night I seem to remember one loose pass out by Walton where I couldn't believe that Brighton didn't score from it. I think maybe Greaves baled him out. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:40 - Jan 17 with 1062 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:08 - Jan 17 by itfcjoe |
Walton was very shaky when asked to pass out from the back, even in the previous games he's passed one straight to an attacker and dropped way too many balls just into no-mans land around half way.
I know Muric has pumped too many out of play, but that's better than giving the ball to them as at least allows us to reset.
I thought the goal goes through him, and at set pieces he was bullied in a way Muric hasn't been all season and makes you worry how Hladky would have looked! 3-4 corners in second half Walton gets absolutely nowhere near them.
I get and understand why Muric has his critics, but I think his all round game is that of a PL keeper, when he isn't having brain farts. For me Walton just isn't that level all round.
2 options for me, we either need to go back to Muric and persist, or go into the market, possibly the loan one, and find a way of bringing in a top class keeper |
Sums it up perfectly. Think we won't have enough room FFP wise to bring in a really good keeper(and they aren't just sitting around either!) so we need to go back to Muric. |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 09:43 - Jan 17 with 1049 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
Reading this thread, what chance do you have as a goalkeeper here?
For every misplaced pass, it's flagged. For every goal conceded, it's flagged. What about the passes that do get us playing? Or the saves made to keep us in games? They just get forgotten about. If it's not clear to you by now that McKenna wants us to play out to bait a press and get out, then the goalkeeper will never win.
Muric is a better goalkeeper than Walton, however, it did get to the point where Muric needed taking out of the firing line, but you were kidding yourselves if Walton was the solution. The truth is, if we want to stay up, you will need a better keeper than Muric. Forest made that decision last January and the rest is history.
We need two more players for me this window. A striker and a goalkeeper. Muric is probably one you swallow and move on to make room - he won't be short of interest in European leagues. |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 09:45 - Jan 17 with 1043 views | tpsontour |
The goal Hladky conceded in the Cup for Burnley where a straightforward shot went through him was a reminder that all keepers mess up from time to time.
Muric for me has the better attributes than Hladky or Walton, presumably why the analysts recommended paying £10m for him. He's top of the entire division for crosses claimed. He makes it look effortless. Walton gets crowded out in his six yard box and flaps at them. He didn't claim any last night, resulting in panicked clearances and repeat corners.
Verbruggen was very composed on the ball allowing Brighton to play out from the back. Walton looks uncomfortable on the ball and we couldn't play through their press as a result. Muric looks more confident but both are prone to passes that put us in trouble.
Muric has the best stats for shot stopping in the Premier League for Burnley and us. Unfortunately he is also one of the busiest keepers in the division behind our defence and has a brain fart in him that means he tops the table for errors leading to goals too.
But compare and contrast his man of the match performance at the Amex where we got a 0-0 with Walton's last night and he has a higher potential ceiling imo. |  | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:46 - Jan 17 with 1037 views | BseaBlue |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:08 - Jan 17 by itfcjoe |
Walton was very shaky when asked to pass out from the back, even in the previous games he's passed one straight to an attacker and dropped way too many balls just into no-mans land around half way.
I know Muric has pumped too many out of play, but that's better than giving the ball to them as at least allows us to reset.
I thought the goal goes through him, and at set pieces he was bullied in a way Muric hasn't been all season and makes you worry how Hladky would have looked! 3-4 corners in second half Walton gets absolutely nowhere near them.
I get and understand why Muric has his critics, but I think his all round game is that of a PL keeper, when he isn't having brain farts. For me Walton just isn't that level all round.
2 options for me, we either need to go back to Muric and persist, or go into the market, possibly the loan one, and find a way of bringing in a top class keeper |
Unfortunately Joe, I think its the latter option but that might be difficult with the other business we need to do. Someone said last night that if we stay up, a Premier League quality keeper will be needed in the summer and I whole heartedly agree.
I don't think either of them are up to the level for different reasons. |  | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:57 - Jan 17 with 1009 views | CityBlue |
I disagree. Walton is far more confident that Muric right now but both are prem quality keepers. Hladky had numerous nightmare's last season too. |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 13:21 - Jan 17 with 933 views | Swansea_Blue |
Something that really stood out in the highlights was how slow off his line Walton still is. I don't know whether that was obvious even more in the ground? He's been that way since we had him, so I suppose that won't change now.
Even where he got clattered, there's a good chance that situation wouldn't have arisen with Muric, as he'd have been much further out and earlier. A great save from Jao Pedro though.
I don't really mind who's in. Muric's the better keepier imo, but does have a brain fart in him. So it's swings and roundabouts. |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 13:39 - Jan 17 with 918 views | blueasfook |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:57 - Jan 17 by CityBlue |
I disagree. Walton is far more confident that Muric right now but both are prem quality keepers. Hladky had numerous nightmare's last season too. |
How can you declare Walton a premier league quality keeper? He's had like 3 premier league appearances in his entire career. Didn't feature in the championship for us last season. Although he has made a number of championship appearances for Blackburn and Wigan. The majority of his appearances in his career have been in League One. | |
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| Muric vs Walton on 13:43 - Jan 17 with 898 views | Europablue |
I'd be interested in what we think of Slicker. Is he a potential first team player, or just a squad player?
The way we are talking about Walton and Muric, we shouldn't forget that they are both very good goalkeepers who would walk into any Championship side. Walton has been a great servant to the club, so we need to stay respectful to him, but also Muric too.
Having said that, the goalkeeping position is a weakness for us. Still the only team near us who has a better keeper who can impact results is probably Leicester, and he is injured currently. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 13:45 - Jan 17 with 896 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:08 - Jan 17 by itfcjoe |
Walton was very shaky when asked to pass out from the back, even in the previous games he's passed one straight to an attacker and dropped way too many balls just into no-mans land around half way.
I know Muric has pumped too many out of play, but that's better than giving the ball to them as at least allows us to reset.
I thought the goal goes through him, and at set pieces he was bullied in a way Muric hasn't been all season and makes you worry how Hladky would have looked! 3-4 corners in second half Walton gets absolutely nowhere near them.
I get and understand why Muric has his critics, but I think his all round game is that of a PL keeper, when he isn't having brain farts. For me Walton just isn't that level all round.
2 options for me, we either need to go back to Muric and persist, or go into the market, possibly the loan one, and find a way of bringing in a top class keeper |
Agree with that. One in the 2nd half Walton half 'came for' and was literally yards away in no mans land. Thankfully went wide / over and no harm done. His distribution was really poor, not just the more obvious few but a couple he dinked onto a Brighton chest that he apologised for but is just really bad decision making and execution.
I was team Muric staying in and I still am. I think if we ask a bit less of him he's got some excellent attributes. He's a beast on aerial balls and owns his 6 yard box, his shot stopping has generally been on point as well. To my mind we just can't ask or expect him to play like peak Alisson, and be a little more pragmatic about it. |  | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 13:53 - Jan 17 with 882 views | Vaughan8 |
| Muric vs Walton on 09:08 - Jan 17 by itfcjoe |
Walton was very shaky when asked to pass out from the back, even in the previous games he's passed one straight to an attacker and dropped way too many balls just into no-mans land around half way.
I know Muric has pumped too many out of play, but that's better than giving the ball to them as at least allows us to reset.
I thought the goal goes through him, and at set pieces he was bullied in a way Muric hasn't been all season and makes you worry how Hladky would have looked! 3-4 corners in second half Walton gets absolutely nowhere near them.
I get and understand why Muric has his critics, but I think his all round game is that of a PL keeper, when he isn't having brain farts. For me Walton just isn't that level all round.
2 options for me, we either need to go back to Muric and persist, or go into the market, possibly the loan one, and find a way of bringing in a top class keeper |
I can't believe we would go and get a loan goalie. I think we're stuck with these two.
So we have 2 options:-
Put Muric back in and play this tippy tappy out from the back
Or put Walton on, but we can't be as passy at the back. Unfortunately he just can't do it that well. He was OK in League 1, but not now unfortunately.
Unfortunately for Muric, he can have games where he's good, but you give away silly goals, in a team not scoring many, that tells in the end and we lose games because of his error. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 13:55 - Jan 17 with 879 views | SomethingBlue |
| Muric vs Walton on 13:45 - Jan 17 by _clive_baker_ |
Agree with that. One in the 2nd half Walton half 'came for' and was literally yards away in no mans land. Thankfully went wide / over and no harm done. His distribution was really poor, not just the more obvious few but a couple he dinked onto a Brighton chest that he apologised for but is just really bad decision making and execution.
I was team Muric staying in and I still am. I think if we ask a bit less of him he's got some excellent attributes. He's a beast on aerial balls and owns his 6 yard box, his shot stopping has generally been on point as well. To my mind we just can't ask or expect him to play like peak Alisson, and be a little more pragmatic about it. |
I like Walton a lot – but completely agree with this. | |
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| Muric vs Walton on 14:10 - Jan 17 with 849 views | Churchman |
| Muric vs Walton on 13:53 - Jan 17 by Vaughan8 |
I can't believe we would go and get a loan goalie. I think we're stuck with these two.
So we have 2 options:-
Put Muric back in and play this tippy tappy out from the back
Or put Walton on, but we can't be as passy at the back. Unfortunately he just can't do it that well. He was OK in League 1, but not now unfortunately.
Unfortunately for Muric, he can have games where he's good, but you give away silly goals, in a team not scoring many, that tells in the end and we lose games because of his error. |
Both keepers are ok and actually your last para shows where the problems are. Further up the pitch.
Only two teams have scored less - Southampton and Everton. We don’t look like scoring either, with the exception of Delap (8 of 20). How many goals have come from midfield or defenders from set pieces? Not many. How many times have we scored from pressing the opposition back and piling on the pressure? Not many. Breakaways around teams yes, but most of the time we are in our own half.
Defensively we are not the best either, but not all the 37 conceded are down to Muric or Walton.
Walton looks calmer than Muric, Muric passes the ball better but there’s not a lot to choose between them. Other than one became a scapegoat who was started on by somebody after one game. |  | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 14:24 - Jan 17 with 829 views | ibbleobble |
| Muric vs Walton on 13:45 - Jan 17 by _clive_baker_ |
Agree with that. One in the 2nd half Walton half 'came for' and was literally yards away in no mans land. Thankfully went wide / over and no harm done. His distribution was really poor, not just the more obvious few but a couple he dinked onto a Brighton chest that he apologised for but is just really bad decision making and execution.
I was team Muric staying in and I still am. I think if we ask a bit less of him he's got some excellent attributes. He's a beast on aerial balls and owns his 6 yard box, his shot stopping has generally been on point as well. To my mind we just can't ask or expect him to play like peak Alisson, and be a little more pragmatic about it. |
Muric doesn’t command his 6-yard box, that’s the problem, he’s too passive. See Brentford and United as well as other moments, particularly against West Ham.
But, talking about commanding boxes, Walton clearly commands his 18-yard box better. Numerous times he’s claimed balls on the edge of the 18 to take the pressure off. [Post edited 17 Jan 14:30]
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| Muric vs Walton on 14:25 - Jan 17 with 826 views | ITFCSG |
| Muric vs Walton on 14:10 - Jan 17 by Churchman |
Both keepers are ok and actually your last para shows where the problems are. Further up the pitch.
Only two teams have scored less - Southampton and Everton. We don’t look like scoring either, with the exception of Delap (8 of 20). How many goals have come from midfield or defenders from set pieces? Not many. How many times have we scored from pressing the opposition back and piling on the pressure? Not many. Breakaways around teams yes, but most of the time we are in our own half.
Defensively we are not the best either, but not all the 37 conceded are down to Muric or Walton.
Walton looks calmer than Muric, Muric passes the ball better but there’s not a lot to choose between them. Other than one became a scapegoat who was started on by somebody after one game. |
If both Muric and Walton are "ok" and generally on par it means our GK recruitment has failed big time. With a much larger price tag and being our record GK signing of course expectations are much higher. Surely someone costing close to TEN times of Walton would be much more consistent and better all-round in terms of goalkeeping skills?
That's 8 or 10 million down the drain for Muric. I would be amazed if another club would pay half the figure for him. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 14:46 - Jan 17 with 783 views | itfcjoe |
| Muric vs Walton on 14:24 - Jan 17 by ibbleobble |
Muric doesn’t command his 6-yard box, that’s the problem, he’s too passive. See Brentford and United as well as other moments, particularly against West Ham.
But, talking about commanding boxes, Walton clearly commands his 18-yard box better. Numerous times he’s claimed balls on the edge of the 18 to take the pressure off. [Post edited 17 Jan 14:30]
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Muric is the league leader for crosses claimed, he's not a passive keeper |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 15:10 - Jan 17 with 750 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Muric vs Walton on 14:24 - Jan 17 by ibbleobble |
Muric doesn’t command his 6-yard box, that’s the problem, he’s too passive. See Brentford and United as well as other moments, particularly against West Ham.
But, talking about commanding boxes, Walton clearly commands his 18-yard box better. Numerous times he’s claimed balls on the edge of the 18 to take the pressure off. [Post edited 17 Jan 14:30]
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Couldn't disagree more with that. The amount of pressure he alleviates with his command of those aerial balls is significant, and a huge upgrade on Walton or Hladky before him. I think there are very few better at that than Muric to be fair, and certainly few that we could attract. Where he's let himself down for me is his communication doesn't seem to be on a level with Walton, he doesn't organise his defence as well, and he's been poor with the ball at his feet. I'm not convinced Walton is any better in that regard though.
Its not reason enough to start him but ultimately we've spent a lot on Muric, he's got PL experience, an International keeper who spent 7 years coming through at Man City. He's been far from perfect but on balance personally I would put him in for the rest of the season but ask a little less of him with his feet. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 15:11 - Jan 17 with 747 views | Dubtractor |
| Muric vs Walton on 14:24 - Jan 17 by ibbleobble |
Muric doesn’t command his 6-yard box, that’s the problem, he’s too passive. See Brentford and United as well as other moments, particularly against West Ham.
But, talking about commanding boxes, Walton clearly commands his 18-yard box better. Numerous times he’s claimed balls on the edge of the 18 to take the pressure off. [Post edited 17 Jan 14:30]
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I can't agree with that - I'm not sure I saw Walton claim a single cross last night.
Muric was making too many errors, no argument about that, but Walton is clearly less good at commanding his box. |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 15:13 - Jan 17 with 740 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Muric vs Walton on 14:24 - Jan 17 by ibbleobble |
Muric doesn’t command his 6-yard box, that’s the problem, he’s too passive. See Brentford and United as well as other moments, particularly against West Ham.
But, talking about commanding boxes, Walton clearly commands his 18-yard box better. Numerous times he’s claimed balls on the edge of the 18 to take the pressure off. [Post edited 17 Jan 14:30]
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Jesus wept.
We get it, you don't rate Muric. But you couldn't be any further from the truth on Walton there. |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 15:24 - Jan 17 with 704 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Muric vs Walton on 15:13 - Jan 17 by Kieran_Knows |
Jesus wept.
We get it, you don't rate Muric. But you couldn't be any further from the truth on Walton there. |
Let's call a spade a spade, Walton's an OK goalkeeper in about every department. He's 6's across the board. Muric has a few 8's, and even where he's less strong its not like Walton is so demonstrably better is it?
Not knocking the boy Walton but for me its a no brainer that Muric comes back in. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 15:34 - Jan 17 with 680 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric vs Walton on 14:24 - Jan 17 by ibbleobble |
Muric doesn’t command his 6-yard box, that’s the problem, he’s too passive. See Brentford and United as well as other moments, particularly against West Ham.
But, talking about commanding boxes, Walton clearly commands his 18-yard box better. Numerous times he’s claimed balls on the edge of the 18 to take the pressure off. [Post edited 17 Jan 14:30]
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Walton's claimed balls on the edge of the 18 yard area.......... When? He's no where near crosses, let alone ones so far away from goal, if it's on the floor he's so slow off his line he barely gets there. |  |
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| Muric vs Walton on 15:53 - Jan 17 with 635 views | DavoIPB |
Muric great shot stopper, way better than Hladky
Muric way better at commanding area, especially corners.
Muric not really a footballing brain, can't pass or kick long, makes rash decisions.
Hladky, no good at commanding box, gets beaten a bit too easily, excellent with feet.
Walton good shot stopper, very poor with feet. Average at commanding box. Occasional soft goal given away.
So in summary, if looking for good solid goal keeper then Walton. If looking for goal keeper who will save most shots but also give away stupid goals then Muric. If looking for average keeper but very good with feet Hladky. | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 16:05 - Jan 17 with 608 views | ITFCSG |
More importantly - who do our players, and especially defenders, have more confidence in so far? Muric or Walton?
I guess the answer is clear for all to see | | | |
| Muric vs Walton on 16:24 - Jan 17 with 569 views | Horsham |
| Muric vs Walton on 15:53 - Jan 17 by DavoIPB |
Muric great shot stopper, way better than Hladky
Muric way better at commanding area, especially corners.
Muric not really a footballing brain, can't pass or kick long, makes rash decisions.
Hladky, no good at commanding box, gets beaten a bit too easily, excellent with feet.
Walton good shot stopper, very poor with feet. Average at commanding box. Occasional soft goal given away.
So in summary, if looking for good solid goal keeper then Walton. If looking for goal keeper who will save most shots but also give away stupid goals then Muric. If looking for average keeper but very good with feet Hladky. |
I loved Vaz last year but he wasn’t perfect but keeping for Ipswich in the Prem is several levels above keeping for Ipswich in the championship. I think he’d look poor at this level.
I think best to stick with Walton for now but ultimately by a fairly convincing margin Muric is probably better and will retake the shirt. |  | | |
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