| Is this handball? 09:49 - Jan 19 with 2216 views | Keno |
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| Is this handball? on 09:51 - Jan 19 with 2170 views | ITFCBlues |
Of course, clear handball |  |
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| Is this handball? on 09:52 - Jan 19 with 2148 views | Keno |
| Is this handball? on 09:51 - Jan 19 by ITFCBlues |
Of course, clear handball |
oh, its his back arm it hits | |
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| Is this handball? on 09:56 - Jan 19 with 2078 views | tonybied |
Looks like it bounces off his torso and his arm at the same time to me. I think it's not really 100% clear on any angle I've seen though. Was the on field decision goal and it was ruled out by VAR? If so I'm not sure it's clear enough to rule it out. If it judged to be handball by the ref and then backed up by VAR then I think it's the correct conclusion. |  | | |
| Is this handball? on 09:59 - Jan 19 with 2042 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Is this handball? on 09:56 - Jan 19 by tonybied |
Looks like it bounces off his torso and his arm at the same time to me. I think it's not really 100% clear on any angle I've seen though. Was the on field decision goal and it was ruled out by VAR? If so I'm not sure it's clear enough to rule it out. If it judged to be handball by the ref and then backed up by VAR then I think it's the correct conclusion. |
Its absolutely clear enough. Deflects off the arm and into the goal. Not intentional, but the law is clear that when a goal is scored via contact with arm, it is to be ruled out. |  | | |
| Is this handball? on 10:01 - Jan 19 with 2004 views | Simonds92 |
| Is this handball? on 09:56 - Jan 19 by tonybied |
Looks like it bounces off his torso and his arm at the same time to me. I think it's not really 100% clear on any angle I've seen though. Was the on field decision goal and it was ruled out by VAR? If so I'm not sure it's clear enough to rule it out. If it judged to be handball by the ref and then backed up by VAR then I think it's the correct conclusion. |
Don't think it touches anything other than his right arm, it's actually very clear handball. | | | |
| Is this handball? on 10:06 - Jan 19 with 1958 views | smithy69 |
If it touches the hand and goes in - regardless of intent - it’s disallowed
He could be looking the other way - and it scrapes his finger nail - still no goal | | | |
| Is this handball? on 10:08 - Jan 19 with 1917 views | lowhouseblue |
the ripple that runs down the shirt makes it look like contact is with the torso. |  |
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| Is this handball? on 10:11 - Jan 19 with 1866 views | SitfcB |
Yes clearly. |  |
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| Is this handball? on 10:12 - Jan 19 with 1863 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Is this handball? on 09:59 - Jan 19 by redrickstuhaart |
Its absolutely clear enough. Deflects off the arm and into the goal. Not intentional, but the law is clear that when a goal is scored via contact with arm, it is to be ruled out. |
Is the right answer. Intent and things like natural arm position isn’t relevant if a goal is scored, which was the case here. 100% correct decision and a win for VAR. Villa would have wrongly lost a point if we didn’t have VAR and that could be the difference for a Champions League place. When it works well it’s good imo. We need something like it, as refs on the field miss too much (understandably - they can’t be everywhere). |  |
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| Is this handball? on 11:56 - Jan 19 with 1484 views | Hciwspi |
Hits his chest |  | | |
| Is this handball? on 12:16 - Jan 19 with 1402 views | bournemouthblue |
| Is this handball? on 09:52 - Jan 19 by Keno |
oh, its his back arm it hits |
from certain angles, it didn't look so obvious |  |
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| Is this handball? on 12:21 - Jan 19 with 1354 views | LeoMuff |
| Is this handball? on 12:16 - Jan 19 by bournemouthblue |
from certain angles, it didn't look so obvious |
In this angle looks torso clearly, in others looks like his arm clearly. |  |
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| Is this handball? on 12:22 - Jan 19 with 1350 views | lazyblue |
Of course it is,why? | | | |
| Is this handball? on 12:44 - Jan 19 with 1242 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
Can't tell from this angle. This angle suggests that it could well have only bounced off his torso, and deflected before hitting his arm.
Need other angles for a better judgment. | | | |
| Is this handball? on 12:47 - Jan 19 with 1223 views | bsw72 |
| Is this handball? on 11:56 - Jan 19 by Hciwspi |
Hits his chest |
If that’s your view, I sincerely hope you don’t referee. |  | | |
| Is this handball? on 12:47 - Jan 19 with 1223 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Is this handball? on 12:44 - Jan 19 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Can't tell from this angle. This angle suggests that it could well have only bounced off his torso, and deflected before hitting his arm.
Need other angles for a better judgment. |
If it hit torso and then arm, the result is the same. Makes no difference. | | | |
| Is this handball? on 12:52 - Jan 19 with 1169 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Is this handball? on 12:47 - Jan 19 by redrickstuhaart |
If it hit torso and then arm, the result is the same. Makes no difference. |
If it did, but as I said from that angle you cannot see - the torso deflection may well have taken it at an angle that made no contact with the arm.
It's inconclusive from this angle. [Post edited 19 Jan 12:53]
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| Is this handball? on 12:54 - Jan 19 with 1134 views | SE1blue |
| Is this handball? on 12:52 - Jan 19 by SuffolkPunchFC |
If it did, but as I said from that angle you cannot see - the torso deflection may well have taken it at an angle that made no contact with the arm.
It's inconclusive from this angle. [Post edited 19 Jan 12:53]
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Is this like the Yanny and Laurel hearing thing but for the eyes?
It clearly hits his wrist. |  |
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| Is this handball? on 13:02 - Jan 19 with 1089 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Is this handball? on 12:54 - Jan 19 by SE1blue |
Is this like the Yanny and Laurel hearing thing but for the eyes?
It clearly hits his wrist. |
No, it appears to hit his lower torso first, and deflect to the left and up - and then possibly not making contact with the arm. You are missing important spatial information from this angle.
Anyone who tries to say it conclusively hits his arm from that angle is not being objective. I'm not saying that it's conclusive that it hasn't hit his arm. It might have. But it's inconclusive. | | | |
| Is this handball? on 13:06 - Jan 19 with 1059 views | SE1blue |
| Is this handball? on 13:02 - Jan 19 by SuffolkPunchFC |
No, it appears to hit his lower torso first, and deflect to the left and up - and then possibly not making contact with the arm. You are missing important spatial information from this angle.
Anyone who tries to say it conclusively hits his arm from that angle is not being objective. I'm not saying that it's conclusive that it hasn't hit his arm. It might have. But it's inconclusive. |
I get what you are saying but I was going with the shadow being cast on his wrist right up until the point of impact and you can see it change direction after its hit. | |
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| Is this handball? on 13:15 - Jan 19 with 1004 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Is this handball? on 13:06 - Jan 19 by SE1blue |
I get what you are saying but I was going with the shadow being cast on his wrist right up until the point of impact and you can see it change direction after its hit. |
Yes, I agree - I looked at that shadow too, stepping through frame by frame. I just don't think you can be certain there's no air space between arm and ball when it deflects. The shadow would still be there on approach, and disappear when it deflects away without contact.
I've only looked at this angle, so comments are related to whether or not this angle can be conclusive or not 
Off to the game now, so I'll shut up now. | | | |
| Is this handball? on 13:54 - Jan 19 with 868 views | noggin |
No, definitely football. |  |
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| Is this handball? on 14:17 - Jan 19 with 798 views | iamatractorboy |
Having seen that clip, it definitely hits his arm. You can see the sleeve material flatten ever so slightly if you look closely enough. | | | |
| Is this handball? on 14:35 - Jan 19 with 759 views | Nutkins_Return |
One of the easiest they'll ever have to give. It literally went in because it hit his arm. The rules are absolutely clear on that. | |
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