| Should this have been a red card? 11:03 - Jan 26 with 6655 views | Keno |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 13:45 - Jan 26 with 1533 views | RamRob |
| Should this have been a red card? on 13:22 - Jan 26 by Achane |
What replay are you watching?, he clearly only flicks out a foot to simply trip the wolves player, you virtually see one of those in pretty much every game yet never before have I seen a red where is this lunge in the video? |
Ah but there lies the issue, if he flicked out a foot just to trip the player but caught him studs up above ankle, that means it was out of control and dangerous, as it wasn't what he intended... |  |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 13:49 - Jan 26 with 1522 views | Plums |
| Should this have been a red card? on 13:33 - Jan 26 by Radlett_blue |
Yes, but there needs to be rule change as there is nothing in the laws that says this cynical type of foul - which happens regularly - is punishable by a red card. Oliver simply decided he didn't like the foul & wanted to give a red, so perverted the laws of the game by deeming it "serious foul play". If it was the latter, you'd get several red cards in every game. |
The photograph from Jacqui Oatley on this thread shows a lunge and endangering an opponent. The game situation doesn't matter in this case.
If he'd simply tripped him it would have been a yellow. |  |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 14:11 - Jan 26 with 1492 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Should this have been a red card? on 12:09 - Jan 26 by RamRob |
They should've just said it's Red for unsporting behaviour. Blatant cheating, no intention of playing the ball, overstretching just to stop the player
Cynical fouls like that would soon stop [Post edited 26 Jan 12:10]
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Whilst I'm probably on the fence, the 'no intention to play the ball' makes me lean more towards red. If the ball is that far gone, it ceases to be a 'tackle' IMO and just constitutes violent conduct.
That type of cynical foul along with the rugby tackle esq shirt pull on the half way line is an awful part of the game and I'd be happy if the PGMOL did everything it could to deter it. |  | | |
| Should this have been a red card? on 14:22 - Jan 26 with 1470 views | Radlett_blue |
| Should this have been a red card? on 13:49 - Jan 26 by Plums |
The photograph from Jacqui Oatley on this thread shows a lunge and endangering an opponent. The game situation doesn't matter in this case.
If he'd simply tripped him it would have been a yellow. |
Still photos of football incidents are often very misleading. Just watch the video of the foul & tell me if you think this was "serious foul play"? |  |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 15:00 - Jan 26 with 1453 views | sohamblue74 |
| Should this have been a red card? on 13:15 - Jan 26 by Swansea_Blue |
It was Michael Oliver, so that explains what went on there. He’s consistently involved in controversial decisions. |
Agreed. Oliver is truly dreadful.
See also Robinson and Atwell.
Poor standard and inconsistent interpretation of laws is absolutely maddening.
Nice irony for Arteta to genuinely be the victim of a poor decision for once though. | | | |
| Should this have been a red card? on 16:56 - Jan 26 with 1392 views | Plums |
| Should this have been a red card? on 14:22 - Jan 26 by Radlett_blue |
Still photos of football incidents are often very misleading. Just watch the video of the foul & tell me if you think this was "serious foul play"? |
I've said earlier in the thread, I was surprised by the red but the ref had the best view of it, he's six feet away and if his view was the same as that photo then it's hard to argue with. | |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 20:57 - Jan 26 with 1347 views | BrentwoodBlagger2 |
| Should this have been a red card? on 13:22 - Jan 26 by Achane |
What replay are you watching?, he clearly only flicks out a foot to simply trip the wolves player, you virtually see one of those in pretty much every game yet never before have I seen a red where is this lunge in the video? |
Saw the replays from all angles and the photo above. Nasty challenge and red card. His studs were half way up the side of the Wolves player's shin. Hardly 'flicks out a foot' - he is a player who tries to injure other players. The Gooners now making death threat against Oliver and defending that piece of work Skelly - WTF?. | | | |
| Should this have been a red card? on 22:03 - Jan 26 with 1319 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Should this have been a red card? on 13:43 - Jan 26 by RamRob |
Why does serious foul play have to be a dangerous tackle? Surely cheating is serious foul play by definition? |
Would that make simulation a straight red card?
I agree this is something that the game would benefit from being cut out but the rules as they stand make it a yellow card. There needs to be clarity and consistency and even with VAR that isn't happening. |  |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 22:06 - Jan 26 with 1318 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Should this have been a red card? on 20:57 - Jan 26 by BrentwoodBlagger2 |
Saw the replays from all angles and the photo above. Nasty challenge and red card. His studs were half way up the side of the Wolves player's shin. Hardly 'flicks out a foot' - he is a player who tries to injure other players. The Gooners now making death threat against Oliver and defending that piece of work Skelly - WTF?. |
Whether the decision was right or wrong (and it is clear that there is no clear agreement on that), anyone making threats against Oliver or anyone else (official, player, manager, owner whoever) is disgraceful. I hope they are rapidly identified and appropriately dealt with. | |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 22:30 - Jan 26 with 1299 views | pointofblue |
| Should this have been a red card? on 22:06 - Jan 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Whether the decision was right or wrong (and it is clear that there is no clear agreement on that), anyone making threats against Oliver or anyone else (official, player, manager, owner whoever) is disgraceful. I hope they are rapidly identified and appropriately dealt with. |
Not just Oliver - they're threatening his children as well, apparently. | |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 08:06 - Jan 27 with 1241 views | braveblue |
| Should this have been a red card? on 11:50 - Jan 26 by rattram |
Watching the TV and Tim Sherwood was going mad at this decision.
Ex ref Mike Dean explained that it was a good decision because the foot deliberately raked the Wolves player well above the ankle. |
He said he had a still photo that explains it. But the ref didn’t have one - he saw it in real time. Ridiculous decision and fed up with these ex refs trying to justify their mates errors and getting paid for it. | | | |
| Should this have been a red card? on 08:14 - Jan 27 with 1224 views | gringoblue |
| Should this have been a red card? on 08:06 - Jan 27 by braveblue |
He said he had a still photo that explains it. But the ref didn’t have one - he saw it in real time. Ridiculous decision and fed up with these ex refs trying to justify their mates errors and getting paid for it. |
Oliver is in a great position to see the tackle and make a judgement. I thought it was a reasonable red card. Arteta should wind his neck in. |  | | |
| Should this have been a red card? on 08:47 - Jan 27 with 1192 views | itfcjoe |
I think a red, I hate cynical fouls like that and if you end up making them violent (studs rake down calf) then whether it's deliberate or not you deserve a red |  |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 08:53 - Jan 27 with 1177 views | Dubtractor |
The more I see it, the more it looks like a red card tbh.
It's not just a trip, its studs first onto the ankle. May not have intended to do that, but that's what happened. |  |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 11:35 - Jan 27 with 1114 views | Macedonian_Gerrard |
if it goes against a town player you're obviously fuming, but I can see why he's given it and to be honest i think its an indicator of inexperience on the arsenal players part.
he's scraped his studs from the calf down to the ankle, nowhere near the ball, its a red card under the laws of the game. a more experienced player (see Rodri who has made a career on tactical fouls) goes in lower with a flat foot or just grabs the shirt.
(plus anything that winds up Arteta i enjoy, loathsome individual & club for that matter) |  | | |
| Should this have been a red card? on 13:49 - Jan 27 with 1054 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Should this have been a red card? on 08:47 - Jan 27 by itfcjoe |
I think a red, I hate cynical fouls like that and if you end up making them violent (studs rake down calf) then whether it's deliberate or not you deserve a red |
Agree with this. Happy to see it given and think it's the correct decision. It's blatant and a nasty challenge, with deliberate intent. |  |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 14:23 - Jan 27 with 1033 views | ronnyd |
| Should this have been a red card? on 20:57 - Jan 26 by BrentwoodBlagger2 |
Saw the replays from all angles and the photo above. Nasty challenge and red card. His studs were half way up the side of the Wolves player's shin. Hardly 'flicks out a foot' - he is a player who tries to injure other players. The Gooners now making death threat against Oliver and defending that piece of work Skelly - WTF?. |
Just as well they didn't lose the game. | | | |
| Should this have been a red card? on 14:30 - Jan 27 with 1017 views | NBVJohn |
| Should this have been a red card? on 11:09 - Jan 26 by _clive_baker_ |
No, it’s about as yellow as a yellow card can be IMO. Late, a bit high, but I don’t really want to see red cards given for that. |
Whilst it’s a change in the rules I do want to see red cards handed out consistently for exactly this offence.
Pre-meditated cheating that would be stamped out very quickly if applied properly.
See also feigning head injuries to stop play. If VAR can tell us if a player was offside by a toenail it can tell if a player was struck on the head.
It’s a cop out to say that VAR cannot get involved. It can if the rules are tightened up to make them fit for purpose. | | | |
| Should this have been a red card? on 16:21 - Jan 27 with 965 views | Radlett_blue |
| Should this have been a red card? on 14:30 - Jan 27 by NBVJohn |
Whilst it’s a change in the rules I do want to see red cards handed out consistently for exactly this offence.
Pre-meditated cheating that would be stamped out very quickly if applied properly.
See also feigning head injuries to stop play. If VAR can tell us if a player was offside by a toenail it can tell if a player was struck on the head.
It’s a cop out to say that VAR cannot get involved. It can if the rules are tightened up to make them fit for purpose. |
Trying to assess if a player is feigning injury is fraught with risk 99% of the time, save for Rivaldo going down holding his face after a Turk had belted the ball at him & it struck him on the leg.
Red cards are too harsh for the cynical holding or tripping fouls - that's why we need a sin bin. | |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 16:35 - Jan 27 with 948 views | DJR |
If it isn't strictly a red card, it ought to be.
I detest blatant cheating like that. [Post edited 27 Jan 16:42]
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| Should this have been a red card? on 18:19 - Jan 28 with 749 views | BlueBoots |
Of course it's been overturned - one of the "Big 6" clubs, innit... |  |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 18:31 - Jan 28 with 740 views | Plums |
Excellent. Validation of cheating and further undermining of referees, just what the game needed. [Post edited 28 Jan 18:31]
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| Should this have been a red card? on 18:54 - Jan 28 with 701 views | giant_stow |
| Should this have been a red card? on 18:19 - Jan 28 by BlueBoots |
Of course it's been overturned - one of the "Big 6" clubs, innit... |
Justice. All the refs hate arse innit. |  |
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| Should this have been a red card? on 19:39 - Jan 28 with 671 views | tonybied |
| Should this have been a red card? on 18:19 - Jan 28 by BlueBoots |
Of course it's been overturned - one of the "Big 6" clubs, innit... |
There's no conspiracy here. It's rightly been overturned. We would be livid if that was one of our players.
You know it's a stinker of a decision when Dermot Gallagher agrees that the decision was wrong. He thought the Chappers mugging in the Leicester game was reffed correctly and constantly stands by dodgy decisions each and every week. |  | | |
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