| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment 15:12 - Feb 11 with 36841 views | Jimmy86 |
It would seem that calling a police officer stupid and white is acceptable in today's society..
Imagine the uproar if that particular slur had been used against someone of BAME origin.. think the sentence and certainly reaction to it would have been different |  | | |  |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:41 - Feb 11 with 1554 views | BarcaBlue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:28 - Feb 11 by vapour_trail |
Not really two tier policing though is it. The police are not responsible for the outcome of the trial.
I was surprised she got off, it didn’t sound great.
As an aside, the state of the upvotes column for the OP. What a sh1tshow. |
As an aside, the state of the upvotes column for the OP. What a sh1tshow.
It's always a handy reminder. |  | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:43 - Feb 11 with 1538 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:34 - Feb 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
You continue to fail to see the reason she referred to the colour of his skin. She was expressing her frustration at being (in her view) subject to white privilege. She felt that a white person would have been listened to by the officer while she was not being.
The jury clearly found that defence of her use of the term (and therefore not in any way as an insult) was not racially aggravated harassment. |
Yet, I still maintain that If the same slur had have been used towards a BAME officer then that would have been deemed racist wouldn't it? That's where the double standard is coming into it, in my opinion | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:45 - Feb 11 with 1528 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:41 - Feb 11 by BarcaBlue |
As an aside, the state of the upvotes column for the OP. What a sh1tshow.
It's always a handy reminder. |
"its always a handy reminder"
TWTD at its absolute finest |  | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:47 - Feb 11 with 1499 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:31 - Feb 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
She did. The white being in the context of her expressing exasperation at being subject to white privilege.
Effectively the officer said something along the lines of "you should have remained on the phone." To which she replied (amongst many expletives) that she did stay on the phone but they put the phone down on her. She then stated something along the lines "you're being so stupid and white." In other words, "why aren't you listening to what I am saying?" That defence fits with the video footage I have watched and the finding of the court.
How does this compare with actual racial aggravated harassment? |
When you dig into it in detail, you can see how the jury could have arrived at the decision they did. It must have been a nightmare for them to unpick though. On the face of it, it seems fairly cut and dry, but when you try to imagine that night playing out it’s easy enough to agree with her comment that Lovell was “fking stupid”.
It was for the jury to decide whether she was telling the truth that she was being treated differently as a non-white, which seems the key bearing on the context of her referring to his colour. They obviously did believe her whereas the police clearly didn’t believe her. That the police also didn’t take her claims seriously, nor believed that the called the emergency services when they did swings me more towards believing her version of events. I could be wrong and she could be lying of course.
This thread’s a car crash as usual. [Post edited 11 Feb 19:53]
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:48 - Feb 11 with 1480 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:41 - Feb 11 by BarcaBlue |
As an aside, the state of the upvotes column for the OP. What a sh1tshow.
It's always a handy reminder. |
A handy reminder of what exactly? | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:52 - Feb 11 with 1443 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:48 - Feb 11 by Jimmy86 |
A handy reminder of what exactly? |
Of the people who Barcablue thinks he's better than | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:52 - Feb 11 with 1438 views | Bigalhunter |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:41 - Feb 11 by BarcaBlue |
As an aside, the state of the upvotes column for the OP. What a sh1tshow.
It's always a handy reminder. |
Not even an unexpected ‘fat finger’ wild card in there to muddy the waters. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:53 - Feb 11 with 1436 views | vapour_trail |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:47 - Feb 11 by Swansea_Blue |
When you dig into it in detail, you can see how the jury could have arrived at the decision they did. It must have been a nightmare for them to unpick though. On the face of it, it seems fairly cut and dry, but when you try to imagine that night playing out it’s easy enough to agree with her comment that Lovell was “fking stupid”.
It was for the jury to decide whether she was telling the truth that she was being treated differently as a non-white, which seems the key bearing on the context of her referring to his colour. They obviously did believe her whereas the police clearly didn’t believe her. That the police also didn’t take her claims seriously, nor believed that the called the emergency services when they did swings me more towards believing her version of events. I could be wrong and she could be lying of course.
This thread’s a car crash as usual. [Post edited 11 Feb 19:53]
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I don’t know what on gods green earth would give you any reason to doubt the integrity of our police forces. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:58 - Feb 11 with 1385 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:13 - Feb 11 by waveneyblue |
What a bizarre comment (although you have plenty of form).
I'm not "offended" - just pointing out the ridiculous double standards that now exist. |
I mean, if you really want to get into ridiculous double standards over the issue of race, I can guarantee you it isn't white folks who come out of it as the real victims. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:58 - Feb 11 with 1382 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:01 - Feb 11 by MattinLondon |
I believe that context is important here. If Sam Kerr is to be believed (as the jury did) then she felt threatened due to the fact that she was trapped in a taxi. And that her heritage led her to feeling scared by this. The context being that the Police Officer couldn’t understand her fear due to the fact that he is white. And rather derogatory ‘stupid’ as well.
If she had insulted him by using racially derogatory language with no mitigating circumstances then the verdict would probably have been different.
That’s my understanding - I could be wrong - but context is key rather than claiming some sort of racist agenda against white people. [Post edited 11 Feb 16:02]
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I didn’t see this before, but that seems to be the line of defence that the jury agreed with. I can’t imagine what it’s like to fear for your safety as a vulnerable woman, but given they called the police they must have been terrified. That suggests to me that they’re not lying, but who knows. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:07 - Feb 11 with 1325 views | tcblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:53 - Feb 11 by vapour_trail |
I don’t know what on gods green earth would give you any reason to doubt the integrity of our police forces. |
Even the Met?!  | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:08 - Feb 11 with 1320 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:58 - Feb 11 by Herbivore |
I mean, if you really want to get into ridiculous double standards over the issue of race, I can guarantee you it isn't white folks who come out of it as the real victims. |
Can you let me know where I've suggested that it is?
I'm sure you can't, but it didn't stop you having a dig. I mean....... | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:09 - Feb 11 with 1317 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:58 - Feb 11 by Swansea_Blue |
I didn’t see this before, but that seems to be the line of defence that the jury agreed with. I can’t imagine what it’s like to fear for your safety as a vulnerable woman, but given they called the police they must have been terrified. That suggests to me that they’re not lying, but who knows. |
But, is it acceptable for Kerr and her partner to behave the way they did in that taxi?! They threw up, refused to pay the soiling charge and then kicked the back window in... then have the audacity to scream about white privilege in the police station.. there was some serious spoilt, entitlement from them, if they didn't deem it appropriate to pay for puking in the back of a taxi... | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:14 - Feb 11 with 1275 views | vapour_trail |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:09 - Feb 11 by Jimmy86 |
But, is it acceptable for Kerr and her partner to behave the way they did in that taxi?! They threw up, refused to pay the soiling charge and then kicked the back window in... then have the audacity to scream about white privilege in the police station.. there was some serious spoilt, entitlement from them, if they didn't deem it appropriate to pay for puking in the back of a taxi... |
I’m pretty sure, if you revisit the thread in its entirety, you’ll not find anyone who disagrees with almost all of that.
You’re trying a bit too hard on that front. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:14 - Feb 11 with 1273 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:08 - Feb 11 by waveneyblue |
Can you let me know where I've suggested that it is?
I'm sure you can't, but it didn't stop you having a dig. I mean....... |
Well you seem very worked up over ridiculous double standards, so maybe if you looked at that more widely you'd better understand the context of this particular incident and why this might not qualify as the kind of ridiculous double standard that really boils your piss. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:20 - Feb 11 with 1238 views | NedPlimpton |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 19:13 - Feb 11 by waveneyblue |
What a bizarre comment (although you have plenty of form).
I'm not "offended" - just pointing out the ridiculous double standards that now exist. |
Genuine question...
What double standards are you referring to? And can you give evidence of these? |  | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:24 - Feb 11 with 1212 views | StokieBlue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:55 - Feb 11 by Clapham_Junction |
Not really sure how it's two tier policing when it went to court and the outcome was decided by a jury? This was an outcome determined by members of the public, not the police or justice system. |
Sshhh!
That's not the narrative.
SB |  | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:30 - Feb 11 with 1170 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:20 - Feb 11 by NedPlimpton |
Genuine question...
What double standards are you referring to? And can you give evidence of these? |
Bloody hell... read back through the 5 pages.
It's explained plenty of times. But you won't agree, so there's probably no point.
Geniune answer. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:33 - Feb 11 with 1137 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:14 - Feb 11 by Herbivore |
Well you seem very worked up over ridiculous double standards, so maybe if you looked at that more widely you'd better understand the context of this particular incident and why this might not qualify as the kind of ridiculous double standard that really boils your piss. |
Could you try to respond slightly more patronisingly please. There's a good chap.
It would make the point your trying to make about me sooooo much better. [Post edited 11 Feb 20:34]
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:33 - Feb 11 with 1125 views | vapour_trail |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:30 - Feb 11 by waveneyblue |
Bloody hell... read back through the 5 pages.
It's explained plenty of times. But you won't agree, so there's probably no point.
Geniune answer. |
Just to be clear then, your beef is with the double standards of the twelve members of the jury who arrived at the conclusion to this case? | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:33 - Feb 11 with 1123 views | NedPlimpton |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:30 - Feb 11 by waveneyblue |
Bloody hell... read back through the 5 pages.
It's explained plenty of times. But you won't agree, so there's probably no point.
Geniune answer. |
There's one example in the thread related to Sam Kerr
I'm asking for other examples. It's not hard | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:37 - Feb 11 with 1094 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:33 - Feb 11 by NedPlimpton |
There's one example in the thread related to Sam Kerr
I'm asking for other examples. It's not hard |
As if I'm going to answer that on here.
I might be considered to be a lot of things by the great and good on here but I'm not stupid
"It's not hard" to understand that | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:38 - Feb 11 with 1080 views | NedPlimpton |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:37 - Feb 11 by waveneyblue |
As if I'm going to answer that on here.
I might be considered to be a lot of things by the great and good on here but I'm not stupid
"It's not hard" to understand that |
So you can't or won't give statistical examples of double standards in sentencing then? | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:39 - Feb 11 with 1075 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:33 - Feb 11 by vapour_trail |
Just to be clear then, your beef is with the double standards of the twelve members of the jury who arrived at the conclusion to this case? |
Yeah that's it. You all seem to know exactly what I'm thinking, so I will agree with you.
Is that more acceptable? | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:40 - Feb 11 with 1044 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 20:38 - Feb 11 by NedPlimpton |
So you can't or won't give statistical examples of double standards in sentencing then? |
I think i made it pretty clear, but keep asking if you want. | | | |
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